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We 1:05 were having a good conversation about support Who you support how you support and when you support and just the difference 1:14 in? Ideology when it comes to that 1 of the things that was said that was confusing to me was, well 1:22 I preface this with Ishinomani are more supportive than me. That's a fact. I think, okay go ahead. 1:31 I think everybody up here is more supportive than you when it comes to supporting people's brands and shit like that I agree you pretty supportive 1:40 too You down with that corny crew, No, you mark this down Why how's 1:48 Mark down? I haven't seen Mark wear anybody's shirt. Mark's worn... Most of my hoodies and t-shirts are other people's shit. But why y'all just only referring to 1:56 like wearing stuff? I'm talking about this period. Like doing other people's platforms. Talking to other people who might have not. Well, that can get tricky. 2:05 Hold on, hold on. I'm asking you to do a lot of platforms this week. Yeah. Yeah, it's dope. It's peace. That's peace. That's what 2:13 we say in this chat, it's peace. Yeah, we support. I'm with supporting anybody's venture that don't compromise 2:21 my morals or my integrity. I don't have a problem with that. But what if they don't compromise anything right now? But 2:29 you don't really know the character of these people and maybe in 2 years they will greatly compromise your integrity. Then that's a mistake that I might have made but you don't know that 2:38 at the present moment if Parks had some clues, if Parks had headbands, if Parks had, let me take it off Parks because I see Parks, 2:48 If your sister had something that she was putting out. It's still different. They're still Parks. They're still different. I'm representing on behalf of you. If somebody that 2:56 I don't know sends me something and says, yo, I'm gonna send you my shit, I just wanna get your opinion, whatever, whatever, whatever. Or if they ask me to wear it, if they send me 3:04 some shit and I like it, I don't see the harm in helping some brand get off the ground. I was a starting business before. I've opened several 3:12 businesses, and I would have liked a handout when my business was getting off the ground. I would have liked the referral when my business was getting off the ground. I would have liked to referral when my business was getting off the ground. I would have liked for somebody that didn't 3:20 have to spend no money just a repost or something like that to help my business get off the ground. I don't have a problem with that, bro. That's my shared mindset. 3:29 As someone who's been independent. I understand that now. Stop with your little smug bullshit. Anything about it is. You know 3:37 what it is? Mom, I'm sorry, Mom. I didn't even say nothing. Don't say nothing at all. Don't even agree with niggas. I didn't say anything, Mark. I didn't say nothing. 3:45 Now that Ish has explained it that way, I totally understand. What'd you understand? Tell us what you understand. What'd 3:54 you get about what Ish said? Yeah, yeah. What clicked? You got it right. Summarize it. 2 seconds. 4:12 Some conversations in this room I feel fail to really explore both sides because 4:20 many people in this room have yet to be on the other side. That's a fact. So when Ish says that, I 4:28 believe what he's saying. Like I believe he believes that. Same with you. You 4:36 think it change if they do not believe that when ish gets there when I say there I'm thinking astronomical That 4:44 if somebody just DMs him with a cool pair of shorts that he's wearing it and posting it. I don't believe 4:52 that. I don't think the reach is, I don't think at that level, people will be able to access them in the way that they can today. So of course It wouldn't be a shun. 5:01 I want to challenge that okay. How not so And and I think you're wrong. I won't let him answer me. I won't take it and post it 5:10 He would wear it. I would wear they shit if I let's say now. Let's say now, okay a lot of people who reach out to me, it's typically 5:18 either through an email, a DM or something like that, right? So at this point, I'm not in a space 5:26 where I can't see it and actually respond myself. Now I have the choice to go ahead answer back boom boom decide what I want to do now 5:34 as things start to grow I'll get to a point where I won't be able to see the things or be that accessible to respond So I'll miss those opportunities 5:43 I feel like while I'm in the space to do that in a genuine way, I want to do that now. Because when you get to that level, you ain't going to be in no DMs at all, right? 5:51 No. Some DMs. Who the fuck you talking to? No. I don't think so either. I would. Like, you don't look, you check your DMs or 5:59 no? At all, right? That's my point. You can't. You can't. You can't check it then. I don't even, I'm sorry to interrupt, I don't even know why y'all saying DMs because when these people 6:08 are really serious about their brands, they email you. They don't just talk to you, you know what I mean, on a direct message tip. For me, the reason why 6:16 I'mma always support a smaller brand, for example, with clothing is because I've never been like somebody there War where everybody wore so 6:24 it's like if I recognize this is fire. This is heat I'm wearing this and I know niggas won't fuck with it You know, I mean when I whispered the issue and they 6:32 was talking it's like yo niggas didn't know who Virgil was at a point and then it was lit. So it's like, I don't need the masses and the price point to tell 6:40 me something fly. I know it was fly because I got my own bop. So it's like, that's number 1 to number 2. My whole life changed with what I do 6:48 now You know what I mean what I do now was only pushed by the people this does not exist without the people So I would really feel like a hypocrite Not 6:57 to support the next bitch and for me I have to work on it drawing the line because I can't possibly support everybody and I can't, especially being an influencer, 7:06 you get paid for that, so I can't post everybody shit for free, but for the most part, if I like it, yeah, I can show love and I can even give you an ear just because you 7:14 quote unquote below me. That shit can change overnight. That's something I know to be true. What are we talking about? And that's what I stand on. You never know who you support and could end up 7:22 be the person somewhere down the line to help pull you up in ways that you need to be pulled up. That's absurd. And that's how I look at it. I look at it as long as it's something that aligns with 7:30 me and who I am, I'm good. Like, shit, this shit I'm wearing right now. Washed ass, I didn't know them dudes, but when they hit me up and explained, washed 7:38 is what it stood for and it's in line with everything that I preach about fatherhood. Yes, I'm gonna wear that. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life, you 7:46 know. What? I'm trying to leave this conversation while just saying, y'all feel y'all and I understand. But as we keep talking, there 7:55 comes a point where that's just not smart or wise because of who you are, where you are, and what you're 8:04 doing and what you have going on. It's no longer as simple as, hey, if somebody hits me with a shirt that I think 8:12 aligns with, shit, this happened to me on Everyday Struggle, the fucking Rob the Rich shit. I just liked that and thought that it was cool. 8:21 However, I'm on Complex on a show 4 days a week. If I'm wearing this because I like it, I know 8:29 the impact that that's having on your business. So don't think that this is a, I like it, oh, it's for the look. No, at some point we 8:37 have to now have a conversation. Well that happens. It's not just. But it didn't happen at first. I like this, I like this. That happens. Okay, then I take back what I said. Yeah, conversations 8:46 happen. If you just doing something, 1, because you like it, but 2, as proof of what 8:54 you wearing it can be worth, or in lieu of a further conversation that need to be had, then I'm not going to say that that's stupid. Let me ask you a question. When 9:03 we wear brands that are already established like if we got on Dior or we got on Balenciaga or we got on YSL, why is it the same mindset 9:13 tied to that? Because you're still a walking billboard for whomever you decide to wear. So if we go and say to the new company that's up 9:21 and coming, me wearing your shit has a value, which you are correct, right? If you wear some that is shit and you are LeBron 9:29 James, it has a value for me, because now other people gonna go wear it. But if you LeBron James and you wear some Dior shit, you not looking at them motherfuckers saying, 9:37 yo y'all gotta pay me to wear y'all shit because it has a value, and they have the means to do it. Well, actually, That's where 9:45 I would say you're wrong. I agree with your point like I wear Balenciaga all the time There's 100% been an 9:54 attempt made to reach out to this is when Demna was there Demna's at Gucci now, but Hey, I'm in your shit. I'm spending this much in your 10:02 store. Another conversation needs to be had. Whether they do it or not is something totally different. But I agree with your sentiment. So let me ask you a question. But you still didn't 10:10 stop buying it. Oh, we aren't. I was just getting ready to say. So what happens when you reach out to have that conversation and they, it don't happen for whatever reason. Not saying they're not receptive to it. 10:18 It just doesn't happen. Okay, so it can't happen for whatever reason now You know that now you know that when you go on your show wearing your shit that there is no business to 10:26 be done We clubhouse when clubhouse popped off and I was responsible for bringing all of this traffic over there I called to have a conversation they for whatever reason 10:34 I think I know the reason didn't want to have a conversation Okay, That don't mean I'm not using Clubhouse anymore. That means that now when I use Clubhouse, I know 10:42 that this is for my leisure. This is for my pleasure. There is no business to be done. But you should always. Can I just say 10:51 Joe, I hear what you're saying? I agree with what you're saying. My show support, don't get me wrong, it ain't going to come with every week or 10:59 every 2 weeks I'm out here just wearing your shit or I'm going on your platforms. It ain't that consistent. So 1 off for me ain't hurting nothing. It don't 11:07 hurt me to wear it. It don't hurt me to go on talk 1 time. We're not gonna make this a consistent thing because yes that should come. Now we're having some different conversation. 11:16 But my support can be that 1 off and that's enough. When Nick, like he said, when Nick is walking in, going certain stores and you keep buying a certain brand, 11:24 you keep buying a certain brand, you are walking billboard for them and showing them a different level of support that I'd never show them. But I'm not refuting what you're saying. I'm just trying to get clarity 11:33 on the why. I'm asking what the differences are. So if you, if, if, if, cause you said it was, we all said it 11:41 was based on something we like, right? So let's, let's start there. So if somebody that's up and coming, they from the Bronx 11:49 and they got a brand and they got some shit that I like, I literally like, and they say, yo, I wanna send you some shit and I wear it on a show, 11:57 they didn't pay me. But if I go in Neiman Marcus or if I go on Bergdorf's and I buy some Dior shit, they didn't pay me neither. So I don't see where the 12:05 differences are versus 1 company is already established and the other company is up and coming. The up and coming company, I want them to get on. Cause 12:14 I've started companies before where I could have took a handout or some help from somebody and I remember what that feels like. Okay, and I get it. My direct response 12:22 to that is, I need more than, hey, I've been in your shoes before and I know how that feels, 12:30 so you're getting some help. Like for me, and again I preface it to anybody here, y'all know y'all get anything in the world from me. I'm talking about people that I 12:38 do not know. People that I have no attachment to. People that I do not trust. People that I can't, like why? You got 12:47 no relationship, cache, you have nothing with them. Like why? Yes, I could, I could. We don't have no cache. But the why, LVMH. But the why, the why. I want to answer 12:55 to his why too, and this might be different from y'all. It don't hurt you. See, for me, there's a gabilion why nots. But you don't have a. You're saying there's not. I agree with 13:03 you on the why nots because I have been burnt Helping people that I'm just trying to be genuine and helping and it's been able to slap me in the face after I'm 13:11 with you on that you get but that's the chance that you take on just showing genuine support 2 13:20 things first to answer to yours, I don't want to ever use my negative interactions as a base on how I move. That's a fear of mine. That is true too. 13:28 The world is cold and disgusting. I would hate If I end up cold and disgusted like them, if I change and I'm not a giver no more, if I change and I'm not a person that feeds somebody 13:36 that's hungry next to me just because people starve me, I don't wanna be built off of this fucking, that's the case, we all gonna be pieces of shit, right? Secondly, I 13:45 wanna answer truth. That's not true, that's camp, what you just said. No, well let me clarify. Because you're not given to everybody, don't mean that 13:53 you're not a giver. That's not what I said. Nobody said you gotta give to everybody. That's not what I said. What I said was is that at the end of the day, no matter what the topic is, I don't wanna let 14:01 the bad shit that happens or the fact that most people are kinda fucked up in that way change how I deal with people. So I know 14:10 I'm a generous person. Everybody's not generous and I rarely meet people that are as generous as me. Some people consider generosity helping their family and their friends. 14:18 I'm generous like I would be generous with a stranger, right? That's that. And 1 more thing I wanted to add, when you keep saying why, 1 of my whys is 14:26 definitely because you black. If you're black, yes, I will support you faster for a motherfucking bona fide fact. Because I know the history of us in this country and how hard 14:35 it was for us to have anything and sell anything and do anything the right way. So you motherfucking right, if you're black, you won't get my fucking dollar and I'ma 14:43 come back even though you run out of ox tails every day at 03:00 because I understand most likely you're the only business in the fucking family. I feel like we should be patient with our people. I'm 14:51 spending money with niggas, because I'm a nigga. I'm with you, but I also hear what you're saying. I'm with you, but I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. I get what you're saying. This 14:59 dumbest shit I ever heard. No. We had this conversation 2 years ago. You gotta stop. You gotta stop though. I do get it now. We had the same question Same conversation, you know what 15:07 he said? He was complimenting me I came on the pod some years ago and I was like, thank you. He was like I like y'all and I was like Yeah, these are all black brands. He was like, oh, I don't give a fuck about 15:15 that No, I care about the quality I care about how it looks how it feels on 15:23 my skin, but it's like at this big age, I'm not gonna wear it if it's cheap and cheesy. I think a lot of times y'all speak from ideals. For 15:32 your what? If you just want my opinion. Speak from what? It's not ideal for me because ideals is it? I think a lot of times y'all speak from ideals. Like even as I'm listening to Mona Talk, all that shit sounded like Langston Hughes 15:45 wrote it himself. It's true though. That sound like some good shit. As she ascends, that 15:53 won't happen. But Joe, we spoke. That's not going to happen. We spoke to that. We spoke to the reasons why. There's a 16:01 certain point where you just have to be a realist and say, as I continue to ascend and be successful, without 16:10 anything bad happening, your paranoia is going to go up, because That's just education. Yeah, of course. You are not just going to be 16:19 all willy nilly helping anybody that's black. That's just not true. It's cool to say. No, I'm saying to help a black person first. Ideally, that's how 16:27 you will want to be. But that's not gonna happen. It's gonna be a black person that need help. But I didn't say I would help anybody black. That's not what I said. And you're gonna say, nah, dog, I'm cool on that. But that's not what she's saying. That's not what 16:35 anybody's saying. That's not what anybody's saying. We talking about, we keeping it on the clothes. If we keeping it on the clothes and clothes only, I don't 16:43 understand anybody's ideology of saying, yo, I don't have cache with this young up-and-coming designer so I'm not gonna 16:51 wear they shit because all of the designers that we do wear we don't have cache with them and real quick ish some of these brands that 16:59 you niggas is still wearing has shown that they don't fuck with us. That's a whole different. Like the niggas are still out here rocking Gucci, left and right, and 17:07 we remember what happened. You get what I'm saying? Like a lot of them brands don't fuck with us and they'll tell you to your face, I don't fuck with y'all, and you niggas don't care. And I feel like, 17:16 not even on no pie and shit. If somebody watching this shit right now that know for a fact that they wrote me and say, yo, I wanna gift you a shirt. Every time somebody says they wanna 17:24 gift me clothing, my response back is, is it a gift or do you wanna do some business? If they had confused up breaking down, just as simple as this, do you give me a gift? 17:32 Who knows when I'm gonna wear it? Who knows when I'm gonna wear it? I might not wear it, I might not wear it. And I definitely might not wear it in public. Who knows if I'm gonna wear it, who knows if I'm gonna tag you or 17:40 even remember who you are, right? Or who knows if I'm gonna be photoed in it. But if we make a deal, you're paying me to either put it on social media, wear 17:48 it on a show, wear it to 1 of my shows or whatever. So it's like that's the reality of it but that's because this is my hustle that's what I did from the beginning. I did 17:56 promotion and advertising shit before I did live shows. So I'm an influencer. Influencer bitches don't wear your shirt for free. That's a fucking fact. I'm not just sitting up here like Mother Teresa. 18:05 But if we talking about support, and yeah, I'm gonna support the black man first. I'm gonna be loathing to the black man. I don't think how I'm moving today, I don't think I will be able to move like 18:13 that in the future, I hear what you saying. But while I can do it today, I'm going to do it today. That's all I'm saying. I see a world 18:21 where that has to stop for whatever reasons, but I'm in a position where now I wanna, some of the things that I wish people would have 18:29 done for me at a certain point, I want to do for them. That's it. Will it last too much longer? Maybe not. But while I'm 18:37 here, let me just. I'm curious on the top of the clothes. This 1 I'm wearing my question to you Joe. It's not just clothes though. It's everything. We were talking about clothes 18:45 for a little bit, so I'm curious what Joe about is that, because of course you're gonna know about ascension and how things change out of, you know, most 18:53 of us in this room, okay, boom. My question is, let's just keep it on clothes. What is the negative of supporting, like what can 19:02 happen to you? Like you find out that the guy that owned the brand is a pedophile and they're calling me a pedophile, like I don't understand the correlation of this negative side. What's the negative side of me supporting some clothing brand? 19:10 Some black clothing brand. If my assistant bring it, it's in the PO box, oh that's cute and I wear it. What is the negatives that you're speaking of? Because I do not know. To me, there's 1000000000 negatives if you don't know 19:18 the person or trust the person. You haven't had any conversation with the person. You have no idea if there's brand alignment between you, this person, anybody this 19:26 person has worked for. You don't know what this person may do, try to do in the future with this. You don't know how this person will talk. Talk on your name, talk on your business, 19:34 the business that was done. You don't know if this person is spreading, yo, this person did it for free. There's a long list of 1000000000 things that can happen as to why that would just be I 19:45 think we take a risk with that every day. And again, yo, I don't wanna be misconstrued. I too, like y'all, if I like 19:53 something, I'm wearing it. If I like something and you black, I'm gonna stop at the 20:01 fucking cubicle in the mall and buy all the sweatsuits that I'm never gonna wear. Homeboy in the strip club, I'm gonna wait here while you go to your car and go get the 20:09 shorts and the shirt, outfit, like I'm gonna do all that. This conversation came up to me because I've 20:17 seen you do it so many times, not like a one-off, I've seen you do it so many times, not like a one-off, I've seen you do it so many times. So that's 20:25 where my thinking is, if you wear something and you like it once, twice, without ever thinking of business or money, then who gives 20:33 a fuck? But if that's just in your how you carrying it, then at some point you should just pause and just do some thinking about it. 20:42 And I agree, there is a level of, that has to switch up at some point, for sure. Like, and it's not a big up, 20:50 but I've worn this hoodie a few times up here. And not, well, I like the hoodie for 1. And that's a nice hoodie. And it's a nice hoodie, but also I got 20:58 a chance to speak to the person who makes the hoodie. How could you make that? And I like the, and I like- Before and after you wore it. You like them. Before and after you got it. 21:06 When you started doing that. That's the other thing, you niggas be trying to outweigh your merchant is some pussy That's 21:14 actually love this you do it for somebody else but I feel like Good bet Somebody she like a new designer. It's a man. 21:23 Really? It's a man. Oh, okay. Is he like a new thing? I just poached you dad just poached I 21:40 Started saying I wasn't gonna make it let y'all make me look like that and sure enough. That's exactly what happened anyway Do you have a topic? Let 21:48 us make you look away huh? At this point I don't give a fuck no more. I don't give a fuck how I look to these niggas. Fuck these niggas. They're gonna come up with their own shit anyway. 21:57 Let's talk about Cam. Cam and J. Cole? Okay. What happened next? What happened? I know the surface shit. 22:05 Supposedly some new things have been revealed. He had a whole episode that he released and he's pretty much broke down 22:14 his reasoning behind wanting to sue or wanting to approach J. Cole in a different manner. Why don't we listen to a little bit of it. Yeah. 22:24 When did he put this out? This is about 2 days ago? Yeah, like 2 days ago. Honorable mention, it's Aquarius season and Kamb is an Aquarius. He's suing them for money, 22:32 right? Supposedly 500 grand or something like that? I don't know the amount or why he 22:41 would be at that amount, but he did some favors for him, and he feel like, yo, you ain't followed through, so... Well, it's cool. This is exactly what happened. Being a man 22:49 is keeping your work. And I know everybody's busy and everybody has things to do. But if I give you my word 4 or 5 times, I got to do it. So 22:57 on his first project he did, I did an intro for him. I did the record for him for his intro. I told him I may need a verse whenever I get a project 23:05 done. He said, cool. He had another project. I did a record in 20 minutes. I knocked that shit out and went off about my business. I need a verse. I'm 23:13 exaggerating. He's like, the shock rain right now. And the moon got a lot of stars and you know I went out right I put my oil into it okay 23:22 let's put your oil into it you know what I'm saying? You called me twice to do something and I did it 1 day you have 48 hours 23:31 to do it. Then I knocked the other thing out, soon as I came to New York, because you ain't wanna sell me a record, you wanna be in the studio with me, I knocked it out. Cool, you don't give 23:39 me the record. Then I say, you know what, forget the record. Let's do an interview. Bet I got you, I got a project coming out in June. Let's do it around 23:47 there. Cool, June is coming. Oh, we pushed the album back, I don't wanna just do an interview. All right, cool, now we gonna 23:55 do it in October. All right, I'll call you back in October. Yo, What's up? Oh man, Keller, you call, you say, I tell you, I 24:03 told you, you call, I told you, huh, nigga? Yeah, nigga. Yeah. Now this is when all the beef is going on with 24:11 Kendrick Lamar. I can't do it now because I don't feel like talking about that right now. I say, look, I'll do the interview. I won't even bring that up. 24:19 He says, nah, I can't do no interview and not talk about it. All right, well, when can I get the interview? Yo, February, definitely. February, I'm 24:27 dead ass on February. February coming. Yo, what's up? Oh shit. Y'all still working man Hey 24:52 yo, Cam is a fucking fool. Cam right though. He dead right. He right. What is there to debate? I always want to hit other person's side. Cam 25:01 is right in what? You asked me to do something. I did it. You asked me to do something. I did it. You asked me to do something, 25:09 I did it. You asked me to do something else, I did it. I'm asking you for a fair exchange, verse for verse, and you keep running off and not doing 25:17 it. Hold on though. Was that discussed when I did what you asked me to do? He said, just saying. The fair 25:25 exchange, did we have some type of, did we have something that said, I'm recording and in return for this recording. I do this 25:34 like in black and white. No, come on I think that that Yo, I got some point we gentleman 25:42 bro And when you shake a nigga hand you give a nigga your word it got a mean something out here like this Oh shit, actually, this is the perfect topic off 25:50 of our last conversation. It is, it is. Yeah, like yo dog. It is. It is. If we made an agreement 25:58 that yo, I'ma do your project, 2 projects for you, and you gonna come do my shit, I don't see the big deal. I'm not gonna 26:06 lie y'all. And if we didn't have that understanding, every single time I put a phone call out to you, you wouldn't have said, yo, what you talking about? You would, you 26:14 said, oh, later, later, later, later, later. So now you just got an open-ended favor that you gonna get around to whenever you get around to it. Cam 26:22 has a reason to feel some sort of way, or feel slightly. He should feel the way. And it's not like, it's not like Cam is. But I don't think Cole wrong. It's not 26:32 like Cam is Mookie with a mixtape. He's a legendary guy. That's the whole reason why you want him on an intro. Intro is the big fucking deal. For me, when 26:40 I first read it, it kinda threw me off the soup part, and I went straight to the comments just to see. Like, you know, and most people were on Cam's side because it's well 26:48 put. The thing about it is like it said, I'm checking in. Like I'm keeping track of this. You say October and I call you in October and then it's like, ah ha ha, 26:56 I tell you October. Yeah, nigga, you know I'm on your ass about it. I keep calling and you can't even give me an interview. That's what have been my last straw. I've been in those 27:04 type of situations. It's like, you can't even sit and talk to me on camera. It's crazy when you owe me a fucking verse. Now the suit part, I was going to 27:12 ask the rapper, I'm assuming that he's suing for what he might have been able to make off the song They with the vert with a j-code verse on it cuz where do you get a half 1000000 dollars from 27:20 if I'm not mistaken It's a half a mil, right? I want to sue them, but I definitely do them custom out 27:29 Cuz I would do What matters if not a suit you can't beat him up. I would wait and get the interview Sometimes 27:38 we do exchanges Sometimes someone is in a more advantageous spot in the switch Yeah, and sometimes you got to kind of wait for the person with 27:46 the advantage spot. I don't got to wait for you. Okay. No, I just feel that amount of time. Listen, we're pretending. But listen, even 27:54 though this is where it's bullshit, right? Because even though you go talk to the loser. Even though the person that you do the deal 28:02 with, right, is fucking hove, okay, and this person is popping or whatever, the biggest rapper out, cool. We gonna pretend now that you that fucking 28:10 busy that you can't send me a verse, you can't, where you are in your studio and send me a verse, It's not real. It's the same way people automatically assume. 28:19 I don't agree. You can be that busy though. We're not talking about months though. We're not talking about months. We're talking about this shit. Or you could be strategic. No, wait till it's the right time and it'll be good. 28:27 J. Cole, everything I've ever heard about him is a man of his word. And if I got an album coming out in February, you know I'm not gonna sit with you in October. He ain't 28:35 a man of his word. But Parks, all that shit, Parks, all that makes sense until I call you, when you tell me to call you and you fucking spin me. That's when it gets 28:43 weird. Things changed. I thought I could do it around October. I can't. Now I got to- Yeah. We've been in this business. We know what being spun 28:52 is. We know what niggas throwing you to the back burner look like. This nigga J. Cole don't even get dressed. He got time, bro. This nigga not getting them dreads all twisted up with the low width 29:00 of J-Pop. He wanted them regular chill out niggas. He wear T-shirts and shit. He got time. He don't even go to the club. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I've been in 29:08 this business a little too long. I know what being spun sound like. I don't spin people before. So I know what this shit sound like. A nigga's... Exactly, 29:16 I know what spinning look like This nigga is spinning him. I came through for you every time you asked me to this is about respect This is 29:24 respect at this point. I'm not no bum chum nigga on the block. I have my own shit I have my own shit going on. I asked you what can I do? 29:34 You then tell me I can do this To compensate what you did for me. I asked you multiple times come 29:42 through. I'm still patient about it So when do that is what happened hit him up he hit him up. He hit him up say yo, 29:50 can you do this Tom June? No, no, no, okay. It was the first first The nigga did an intro and a nigga did a verse The 30:00 request the request from from Cole was a verse and then turn to interview That's what I'm saying. At this point, 30:08 now we get to June. Now we get to the point, we at June. I ask you now, can you come through? No, I need time. Then 30:17 we get to October. Yo, we got a whole Kendrick shit going on. We need time. I understand, cool. That don't make sense to me. Then you tell me February. Now we have February. I'm not 30:25 willing to be spun like this no more. I don't have to. Especially when I'm the 1 that's bendable because I change it to an interview before you. When do I as the person that did the favor 30:33 already and waiting for my favor say I'm not doing another favor Cuz he did 2 favors for back to back to back After 30:41 you ain't do the first the first thing was an intro the first thing was an intro favor though still a favor the first day do a favor it could be a simple clearance whatever it's 30:49 a favor again and they succeed on you and you ain't because my niggas who are 30:57 off the street these are industry niggas who have done this shit Wait, can I answer the question? I can't answer this question. I'm trying 31:05 to answer it but it's about 7 niggas talking. 1 mic, 1 mic. Listen, the answer is when he first, 31:13 when they first, when he, when Cam did the intro for him, right? He says to him, yo, I'm gonna need a verse when I got a project. He don't have a project. 31:22 He don't have the space for him to pay him back. And then he asks for another favor and he tells the story like it's in close proximity. We don't really know if it was in the same 31:30 month, same week, but that's how Cam tell the story. He asks, he says, they'll do my intro, which you want, oh listen, you can get on my album when I'm ready, when I'm ready for a verse of my project 31:38 ready, then you get on the joint. He called right back, he asked him for a verse, he gives him the verse, then they start locking in time. That's why I don't understand y'all. It would be 31:46 a real spin is y'all I'm a holla at you so he's giving this nigga months call me in October call me in February that's not a spin that's almost like he's 31:55 planning on doing it but then he don't get a chance to but it's like you're not I don't think he's trying to spin him I just think he's J. Cole and 32:04 this is Chakras and to Cam's point Cam said yo he didn't even send me the verse. I had to physically go in the studio with him to lay the verse down 32:13 in person. That's crazy. Cool. So that means I'm going out my way to come to the studio for you. You can't get on a plane to come do my interview? Yeah, as every 32:21 person, most of the people in this room outside of Ish and Ice. And even Ice to a certain degree you were 32:29 in the entertainment field and doing stuff, right? We all started at a point where we dealt with a lot of sucker shit and we spoke 32:37 bad about it, and we spoke against it, and then the minute we get up, we start making excuses for why niggas do sucker shit. But 32:46 I'm not, let me finish. Let me finish. Just let me finish. Yes, sir. I'm not with a nigga saying I'm gonna do something and not do 32:54 it. You got, but so many times for me to feel like you playing with me, I don't give fuck who you are, I don't care what the rest of the industry is saying about you. This is me 33:02 and you now talking. If you say you're gonna do something, fucking do it. If you can't do it, say I can't do it. That's it. What if he 33:10 intended on doing the interview? It ain't like we seen Cole run around doing shitload of interviews already. Cause Then I would be like, you know what? All right, my nigga, you supposed 33:18 to give me an interview, you agreed on it, and I seen you here, here, here, here, and here, what's up? We ain't seen Cole do shit. So for all intents and purposes, 33:26 Cole might still have been like, yo, my album just dropped today. So yo, I will sit with you. So when I get around. I said 33:35 that is bullshit. It's not bullshit. It is bullshit because if you go to the timeline, Cam talked about this last year. Correct. So I asked you for 33:43 a verse first. Fuck the interview part. I asked you for a verse. J. Cole has been on a fucking tear on everybody's features Who 33:56 cool the songs came out last year I'm asking you so the songs came out last year. I don't know when he did them, they could've just came out in 2025. I don't give a fuck when you ain't 34:04 do it, nigga, you owe me a favor, I need it now, give me my fucking favor, fuck y'all. You get the dick. Fuck y'all, y'all niggas don't get. Can't tell, he quieted on it. I 34:12 don't, what clocked the work going? I think it's more complicated than that. I mean, I understand why Cam is frustrated, and I would be frustrated if I was Cam. Cam is 100% right to be frustrated. 34:21 I'm just saying I wouldn't assume the worst and cold for why he's not doing it. And I think part of it is, yeah, when you coming up, when people say no to you or they delay you or spin 34:29 you or whatever, you'd be like, they doing that because I'm here. It's not that we get on the other side of it and don't care no more, it's that when you get on the other side of it, you have more perspective because 34:37 you now know why you might say no or why you might delay something, you know what I mean? There's interviews that I tell people I'm gonna do, but sometimes I wait, not because I'm not gonna do it, But 34:45 because I might be waiting for my book to come out. I might be waiting for something else to come out. I'm waiting for timing. Yeah, or sometimes I'm not in the head space to do an interview. Okay, cool, but then if that's the case, and 34:53 like we said, first off, communication is key. So if that's the case, if you are now communicating with this man. All right, enough now. No, nigga, it's not enough, it's the fact. Because y'all just be cool 35:01 with this bullshit and suck this shit happening. You said that already. You monopolize on the conversation. I'm not with none of that suckish shit. You monopolize on the conversation. Yeah, but it's not necessarily something suckish. Hold on for a second. You monopolize in the conversation with this point 35:13 J Cole is like a superstar right no like any he's a superstar There's super I'm sorry with all the rules everyday 35:21 regular people bullshit y'all are talking again. They're superstar rules. Man, fuck y'all. That's a fact. You wasn't a superstar when I 35:29 gave you a fucking favor. Yes he was. He said it's his first album. No, no, no. And it was a mistake. He's talking about the off season when he did the intro 95 south. He's talking 35:37 about the off season. Which came out in 2021. All right cool. This is recently. The 2021 when that dropped. I'm going by what he said. He misspoke. He was wrong. Oh 35:45 okay cool. He misspoke. All right but you wasn't a superstar and it wasn't superstar rules when you reached out for me to do your favor. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. And it was. You're 35:53 not listening to my, I'm not saying he wasn't. And it was. Joe's saying we playing by superstar rules. You were still a superstar when you reached out for me to help you. And I came through and helped 36:02 your superstar ass twice. So now you're not too much of a superstar to help me back. What the fuck is he talking about? See, and that's where, and that's where, mute up, that's where the crock 36:10 of bullshit is, right there. There is a halo effect that superstars have that is to be 36:18 acknowledged by those that are not superstars and that halo effect normally gets what the superstar wants done 36:26 because it's advantageous to whoever's working with said superstar to work with them. That's a fact. If J. Cole never did a song with, I don't want to 36:34 use anybody, if he never did a song, if he never did an interview, you being on his intro, You doing a song with him will help your business 36:43 as a whole So Like we can't keep saying you're just on some man shit or just on some real nigga shit I showed up for you you show up 36:51 for me. That's not whatever. I that's not that's not that's unrealistic It's not it's not fair whenever I Asked 36:59 3 or 4 different Why y'all making it seem like the nigga just came out of nowhere and was like, yo, do it right now. And, or that's it. He gave him 3 separate opportunities to pull through. 37:07 If I go to the bar up the street and Beyonce is there and she's in a good mood and we having some drinks and she says, yo man, I want to do 37:15 that part. Actually this has happened to me 1000000 times with people, where most deaf, anybody you name, yo man, I love your shit, I'm coming to do the part. All right, man, you 37:24 may follow up once. They don't answer. Right. Okay? Twice. It's not the same. You might hit them again. It's a little different though. You didn't 37:32 do nothing for that person. You didn't do nothing for both staff. You didn't do nothing for the names you named. You know what? That's why he's banking it on this. You called on me first and 37:40 I did something. Lil Wayne has called before and said yo my next album is my idea for the intro. 17 of the hardest 37:48 rappers in the world. All y'all to come yada yada yada do this. And you do this on 1 of your joints. I 37:56 mean, yada yada yada yada yada. He called you? Yeah, he called me and said that. You said that was a surprise. Without him saying it. I'm not even gonna how I carry it. He was 38:04 there. He was all human. If he never come 38:12 to do a Joe Budden song, I'm going to do that little Wayne song I'm going to do it. It don't matter that 38:21 he said that they say Superstars say things to your face Joe and that's you know, I'm not talking about me. I ain't that's this level I'm 38:30 saying that's your choice to decide if you are willing to do that Cam don't got to sit back and look at himself like that and say well fuck it I want to go ahead and do and allow 38:42 It just made me look at it a little bit differently because Honestly, I just had this conversation. I was supposed to do some iPod, I had them on my iPod, 38:50 but they're a very smaller platform. And they send in pages of emails and texts, my feelings hurt, you make me feel, and the reality is I just didn't get around to it. I'm totally gonna 38:58 do this girl's podcast. And when you think about it, me doing her podcast, me even allowing her on my pockets does way more For her 39:06 than it would ever do for me and me doing her pockets does way more for her than it would ever do for me You know what the problem so wait a minute, but for that reason 39:15 That's why we might have a couple rescheduled. You understand what I'm saying? So there's not a point where the person on the other side is allowed to say, I'm tired for 39:23 waiting for you to deliver on something. No, but this is the part of the thing about Emanie White, sometimes you don't get the people's point. It's not about the principle of it. Principle 39:31 of it, you're right, 2 men made an agreement, cool. This nigga talking about reality in regards to a superstar, speaking from a place of I'm Joe Button and Wayne called me. That's, 39:39 you know what I mean? Like that's the, that's just what it is. So Ken been in this game forever, he's done that shit to 1000000 motherfuckers and had the same experience being on the other 39:47 side. Also, I think it's just not realistic to be slightly contradictory to the statements we just talked about with the where the shirts where you're saying 39:56 sometimes you just do things because it's the good thing to do whether it's advantageous for you or for them and if it doesn't necessarily come back right after that it's hilarious. No it's 40:04 not the same and y'all keep going ahead and ask. This man asks this person to do something and in exchange I will 40:12 do this for you. That is an exchange. Right but him doing that it does it does just as much for him as it does for him. I'm 40:20 trying not to. That's the whole thing. Cam, on some real shit, with J. Cole having Cam on his project, and Cam being on J. 40:28 Cole project, who benefits the most out of that situation? Cam don't give a fuck. I get that part. And that's it. I can't tell Cam he gotta give a fuck about what y'all talking about. That's not what we saying, man. Because 40:36 J. Cole's a superstar. That is what y'all saying. Hold on, man. There's a business legal part of this too, right? From Cam's perspective, potentially. Which is I do verses for X amount of money. 40:45 I'm not. Thank you, Mark. You see what I'm saying? So, and now we say, let me put it, that's why Cam is suing. You asked earlier. Yeah, 40:53 I understand. Because I gave you a verse and I didn't get my shit We're not doing this half 1000000 1000000 or whatever it is. Yeah Yeah, I say you 41:01 said you're gonna repay me in this in time with this other thing and now you're not giving another thing So I'm burnt for this money I'm just saying that's another angle another piece of this that might have more to do with this than 41:09 the shit We talking about that 41:24 were me and I was cam I would just talk shit about him. I would not sue I would not call again I would not ask if I felt that strongly like you but my thing with you 41:32 is you can't see past the principal, which is ridiculous. Principal is- No, it's not ridiculous. There's a lot of niggas that don't 42:09 give a fuck about none of that shit. I'm a man of the people and I'm a man of principle. Then you go do the principally correct thing and pay this man back. So if that's the truth, but he that type 42:17 of nigga, I'm assuming he, I would assume he didn't have time. And the only reason why I'm saying that is because it just, I just had the fucking conversation with this bitch's bitch 42:25 really like got out on me because I didn't do that part. And I'm telling all y'all sitting here, I'm going to do her pockets. I'm not charging her. I'm not making her pay for hair and makeup none of that But 42:34 in reality the favors done by me coming mama, so wait bitch No, I don't want to wait 42:42 on you to me. You ain't big enough for me. No, no, no, wait Wait, that's how she might feel. She's waiting baby. She's expecting Can I ask you a 42:50 question? Let me ask you a question. Oh, good, I apologize. I'm bringing the views, Emanie. Let me ask you a question. What? In that same exchange, did you ask Shorty to come to your 42:58 podcast? Well. Several times. Yeah, they keep trying to switch up the scenario that like I don't like to be honest Mm-hmm. I said to her you can't come 43:06 on my podcast But when I say that to people especially in my game on smaller platforms, it's like it's like a gift Totally 43:15 different and that's what separates Because if you would have told her, yo, come on my pod and then I'll come on yours. That's what I told her. No, no, like 43:23 I'm asking you, hey, can you please come on my pod? It wasn't no can you please. Can you do that difference? That's the difference. That's the difference between this situation and what she's saying. If you hit her and said, hey, 43:32 can you come on my pod? And in return, I will come on yours? And she said, all right, bet. She come on your pod, and now she's like, okay, so when can we get you on mine? 43:40 And you start spinning her, after a while she's going to be pissed off. And it's the thing, I just told- And then she's going to want to see you and go upside your head. I got a clue. I just told y'all that the girl is pissed off 43:48 right but then I had to really explain it to her because number 1 You can't be mad on a friendship because friendship of business is separate. That's number 1 number 2. 43:56 This is for you There I don't have no things are for her. They're both for you do it Listen, this is just my reality and this is 44:04 no shade to nobody to fucking here since my experience with podcasting if I do a nigga Podcast he averaged a 10k a joint when I come on We want a 50 we want 100 that 44:13 cost money or it's a fucking favor period no matter how You asked me I asked you whatever my bitches follow me where I go They rob 44:21 for me But that if you're monetized you gonna make a fucking bag and that's the fucking difference and that's why you might have to wait Cuz I'm telling y'all Sisters the brother 44:29 I just I haven't been able to do it. I want to do it. She happens to be a really cool bitch, so I want to sit there and talk to her. You still trying to change the situation. You know all sorts of difference? It don't matter, 44:37 because it's the same situation as far as me having a bigger platform than her. That's what made me think of a different way when Joe said it 44:45 like that. So how you feel when niggas care of you? Because honestly, it's like, come on, bro. But can't make that see him. How you feel when niggas, when niggas, cause me and you right, me and you, you asked me to do your part 44:53 the first time, then get around to it. You asked me to do it again, I said let's do it, like I got you. But you, so. Guess what I did, guess what I did, 45:01 I never asked again. Oh he mean he hear you tripping. Listen, no, Let me tell y'all something. Not that I don't wanna do it, by the way. And you 45:10 know why I never asked again? You know why I never asked again? Because I don't wanna hear the same answer of, I can't do it. So when you become available to do it, you'll hit me. You know I'm 45:18 here to do it. And that's my man. So I already know he not swindling me on shit. He just can't do it. That's what I'm saying. So the difference is with 45:26 this situation, we all trying to speak like Cam ain't in his... He's a mutt. He's vindicated and 45:34 cam is cam No, 45:43 listen what I'm saying nobody you got let me finish the statement y'all disagree, but hold on Cam is cam and in his world and is 45:51 his brain and in his reality He feel like he don't got a wait for a J Cole or anybody and we're not allowed to sit here and tell him he 45:59 wrong for that. He says he... Nobody say wrong. So listen, just believe me. Don't cook, don't cook. So when he goes ahead and he says to them or 46:07 he's saying to the world yo I did my part. I didn't go knocking on this nigga door for a verse or for interview I only asked for 46:15 this in exchange for a service that he acts of me. And in my brain, I'm fucking Cam, I don't gotta go ahead and listen and go by this 46:23 industry superstar stand. I'm already on this side doing my own thing, not even bothering you niggas. So All that is cool if I need you 46:31 in that way. But Cam ain't even putting music out like that. You picked up the phone and called me, my nigga. I was sure. You called me. I was minding my business over here. So at this point, I hear 46:39 what y'all saying. That girl that's hitting you up, she need to wait. Cam don't need to wait. And if I did something and I want to get equal value, or not 46:48 equal value, I want to get my value back for what I've done for you. And you keep giving me some post data shit. Can't don't need to wait for a J. Cole feature? He's already 46:56 waited. He's waited already. He's been waiting for a year. Once they told me that this shit started in 2021, it's like, But he's waited. He's waiting. How much more do you need? I don't know, this is 47:04 my thing. I'm a solution-based kind of bitch I don't see the solution in suing a nigga I've read to the point where it's like yo, I'm gonna get on the phone say look young boy I 47:12 can't keep chasing you around. I'm gonna need you to go ahead and pay for that So my story to be different cuz I say yo pay for me what I did What if you did he might have did that 47:20 if he did and then well I would be looking being that he spoke about it twice and it's so detailed this time I would think that he would mention that I fucking said just pay me he 47:28 got frustrated in February when that was it cuz February Was that his let in his mind clearly? So it's like me the me I'm 47:37 solution-based and I'm proud fool So it's like if I can't figure this out for us to be done, well I'll race through you and play this fucking game, gotta pay these niggas to go back, like I'm not ready to do that with 47:45 you. It's not, and then you J. Cole, so for the most part, It's always a risk of like going That's why I was so surprised the comments was on cam side because it's always a thing. We're like he's nice leave 47:53 him alone You know how they do J Cole, but I don't know like me just my Pot just the pot I'm keeping it real like what my experience 48:01 to the point of pride I also got if I'm cam my pride. Yeah, I can't let you think you just got that off. So no matter, I gotta 48:09 get it back some way or another. So, all right, fine, I gotta sue you. You know, I'm not the 1 to play with where you could just spin me. You ass passed me, my nigga. Yeah, you ass passed 48:17 me. And you not gonna take him play. Everybody's not moving with malicious intent. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm trying to say. Yeah, but it's only worse. He said that too though. You are artists. You work with 48:25 artists. You know that artists, when we're creating or working on projects, we get into a point where I'm not recording with nobody else. I'm not working with 48:33 nobody else. Like, you feel me? I'm not doing no interviews until it's time. Or I don't have nothing going on, I'm not doing. Can I give you an example? It's only the first week of February. He might have it on his agenda to do it 48:41 I'm gonna give you perfect example I'm gonna give you a perfect example. Cut that out. When 48:50 I first did the first records for your dad, right? Sent a record, the thought was, he gonna send a verse back eventually, right? We 48:58 waited forever to get it. I understand that because that's your dad, he is who he is, and who the fuck am I to be rushing kiss for anything 49:06 I'm gonna wait yo come come the yonkers we went there a few times sat in the studio think he gonna get the verse got it cool that's a different 49:14 situation Compared to cam being called to do something coming through Him also still being 49:22 cam in his own right and the nigga keep going ahead and pushing shit back Do I think he should be so quick to sue? Maybe not. Maybe this should be I don't think it's 49:30 so quick No, it wasn't 2 years. It was 2 times. They got out. He got him. No, I'm just reading Oh, it's been 2 years appear on J 49:38 Cole shit the first time in 2024 Yeah, so you told me you was gonna give me a verse since 2024. It is 2026 49:47 I've reached out to you, mad times for the verse, it went from a verse now, and that's to an interview. And that's the second 1. You wouldn't sue, so 49:56 which would you do? If you wouldn't sue, what would you do? You said what? It's not too near, because the years change. I remember that's that long entertainment time, Especially when the Kendrick beef happened and all that other shit going 50:04 on. But again, the first shit was, the first shit was 2021. That was the reason he didn't want to do the interview because he didn't want to talk about that until. Him on the intro was 2021. And he said, I'll get a verse. 50:12 He said, let me finish. He said, all right, I Got you. Danny called him again, had him come to the studio. He said the verse for him. Hold on, if I'ma 50:20 be that prideful, me, and I feel the way, after you come through the first time, I'm not doing something for you a second time. That's 50:30 me. Hold on, hold on, hold on. That's most me. You ain't, it's an eye for an eye. Now, if you don't do it after that, only, girl. 50:39 You a sucker. I don't have a project out. I don't have a project out. I'ma call when I need you. Right, that's the part. But 1, we don't know when that second verse was done. That's a fact. We don't know. That record 50:47 could have been done right around that same time and he held on to it and when he was putting Mike Delite later together and threw it out then. So we don't know that he waited 3 years to get 50:55 from 0.1 to point B. But Cam is saying, yo, you said you was going to be on my project. So if J Juan said, yo, Ish, I need you to do XYZ, 51:03 and it's 2019, yo, I'm gonna do a project. I don't put my project out till 2023. There's no reason for me to be beefing with J-Wan 51:12 because in exchange, I want you to be on my project. If I don't put a project out, there's no time in the middle with you doing something 51:20 foul cause I never put a project out. Right? So now I come, you holler at me again, I want you to be on this joint. Cool, I'ma come 51:28 do the joint cause you my man. I'm just thinking that when my project is coming out because you my man You'll come to do for you on an arm 51:36 for free Then you would do the same exact thing for me and when cam said he wanted his verse now Dude ain't want to do the verse. I think it's all miscommunication amongst 51:45 the 2 and And it's plenty of times where artists be in feature mode and then out of feature mode. And can we just add, 51:53 just add that Cam did speak and say yo I like Cole. He did. I like Cole, he not saying nothing bad about him as a man, he just saying yo when you say you gonna do things. 52:02 He's on top cams on top of his business and that's We might disagree with the fact that maybe the suing I don't disagree with that. There's some people that 52:10 do If you're cold now, is there any chance you do this verse no no I 52:18 would have paid him already the shock was if I'm calling I'm still doing it if I'm Jake I'm gonna dress the way he was in my verse the way Jake home rules 52:26 oh shit I think I think Cole does the verse I take that back Just the way who he is and the way he gives off. I think he Was 52:37 the interview you do the interview maybe that's a better question Oh, he doesn't know I think I'm not rapping. It's much more 52:45 lucrative for me to have this interview with you, especially when he first started the show. Y'all know our content, where a J. Cole interview on that show would have been. At that moment would have been huge. We probably would have monetized 52:53 more to some streams the way these companies work. So, family was the interview. I'd rather be shown between the 2. I don't see the interview. You don't see the interview? Cam said at the end of it because they asked 53:01 him they asked him How would you feel if if now he was able to say y'all I want to do the interview and cam said I don't know I feel like everything that I've done 53:09 so far already the suit and all that might have deaded that period But maybe maybe there's a world and maybe there's a world where since all of this is now turned from being music It's 53:17 a bigger conversation maybe the bigger thing to do is to have the conversation where they can talk about that situation itself. And I do think it would be some stand 53:25 up shit for Cole to do, just be like, yo, I own up to not doing something at a certain time and Cam owning up to it. I handled it probably 53:33 in a way that I shouldn't have handled it. That might be the better solution. Is it about happening to y'all where y'all gave somebody your word on something and y'all really dropped the ball either on purpose or by accident? I got 53:41 text messages right now. When can we schedule this shit? Yes. Really? But I apologize. How do you resolve it? That's what I asked you. I'm just big 53:49 on accountability and apology. So if I do something to somebody I apologize Like if I did if I said something if I did I'm up me and you've had issues. I immediately 53:58 got your I apologize Yo dog anybody I'm just apologize if I've wronged somebody I'm gonna apologize. I 54:06 just thought that right hand was like before 54:17 I had all this going on, in those situations, it was like apology or whatever, but now, doing this, that should've turned into beef sometimes, 54:26 like for me it has. People turn it up, it's a whole thing. People really, this, the attention that come with 54:34 this, what they call a clout or whatever, that shit really fuck with people. It does stuff. I don't think people realize how many niggas is like, home, 54:43 like in the mirror, pistol in the tub, like about to jump, these niggas is so just wanting it and just, you know, like the nigga that's just doing 54:52 content and podcasting and doing this and he running through the supermarket naked and knocking shit over, like these niggas do everything for it and sometimes I 55:00 really think that they'll damn near eat dick for it. And I think sometimes they do get dick for it. I know for a fact that some of these men are eating 55:08 dick to go viral. And it's like, or just to have some type of success or some type of attention. And you know what's even crazier? Money's not the goal, it's fame. 55:16 Y'all don't know, because it might have came to some of y'all easy, but fame is a It's 55:24 like don't even have people have to go for the fucking money I used to say when I first started right niggas won't be more famous than rich. It was a 55:34 Okay, a female comic and she was getting a lot of backlash, right? And I remember thinking, like, yo, if her team ever came to me and like, you 55:42 know, I want you to help write for her, help grow her shit, But the only deal is you can't post on social media And you basically you don't call me white girl can't 55:50 exist cuz we gonna sell it to her if the money was right I would do that shit tomorrow like I am NOT in it for the fame part. The fame is the least fun part I hate it. I have famous 55:58 girlfriends. They'd be like, you don't like it for real fuck. No, I don't like it It's horrible. The feeling of walking in a room and everybody know you they think they know you are walking in The street people calling 56:06 it shit is ass. It's terrible. Like it's really really terrible people die for it. Don't even Like crazy, I'm my own soundboard 56:15 I Think I think at some point both of them will be able to figure this out. For sure. 56:24 If I'm being honest, I don't think this... Are y'all still on? No, we moved on from that part. We moved to a conversation about 56:32 when we've shitted on people or not kept our word and how we resolved. I'm not saying they did, I'm just speaking a joke. When y'all shitted on somebody, y'all are nice 56:40 people. I haven't shitted on somebody, I just didn't get back to them. I've left people hanging. I've left people hanging on projects. I've left them hanging. If I tell a nigga I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna do 56:48 it. Yeah, I'm actually thinking, as we were talking, I was like damn, I told somebody to write the foreword to that book. Nigga, I got a text right now. And then they hit me twice about it. I said yes, and then I never followed up, and they ever hit me back, and now 56:56 I'm like, oh, I gotta make that right. The funny thing too is. I'm still not gonna write it, but I'll do something to make it right. If I'm ever delayed on something, I don't wait for the person to hit me to ask me 57:04 about why is it delayed. Like if I know I said I'm gonna do it Tuesday, and I couldn't get it done Tuesday, I'm gonna let them know, yo listen, I'm not gonna be able to make it happen 57:12 this day boom boom. Like I like to Stay stern on that because I hate when people do that to me I hate it if you tell me you gonna do something and we got a locked 57:21 in let's do it. You're a man of principle You're unusually good at that in my experience in terms of like schedule something Yeah, 57:29 I don't play with people to me. That is the ultimate sign of disrespect. You tell me, my time, your time, anybody's time, is 57:37 too valuable for niggas to be going ahead and then we always keep going back to this level of communication. Sometimes all it takes is to communicate. I can't make something happen 57:45 for me to still look at you the way that I've always looked at you. I appreciate the honesty. Thank you. You couldn't get it done. I appreciate that. That's cool. That's it. Has it happened to you a lot in the industry 57:54 as an artist? No. No. Because I don't ask a lot. So when I do show up 58:02 and if I do ask you to do something. Like what's the ratio you think? You take a guess. Take a guess. What's the ratio? That 58:11 shit is an industry standard. Go ahead. This is all I want. I need somebody to run the screen with me. Come on. Wait, wait. I'm just asking them. No, 58:19 I'll bounce it back to you. What you think the ratio is? What I think it is? Yeah. Tee hee hee hee hee hee. Of industry people? Yeah, period. Like people who are 58:27 real. What, what, what? Value the people, yeah. Go ahead. Oh, 0. That, That they call you? Yeah, that they call me. 58:36 Go ahead, answer it. Oh, no, they called. They called. They've called, right? You definitely received a call before. They've called before, I think. Once in a 58:44 while. I put it at, I mean, 3%. All right, that's peace. 3% of people him calling versus them calling? 3% of the 58:52 calls aren't them calling him. That's what yeah of all the calls he gets on strong No, I don't understand. He said if 59:00 there's a Calling who right either they call him. I'm trying to say that he's trying to see the ratio of me reaching out first. 90% of the time it's 59:08 him doing this. That's what he's trying to say. I'm not saying that. Big kiss. I'm playing with you like that. He's joking. See, this is the wack part about him. I'm not playing with you. He's joking, but 59:16 anytime he's always called... I started with that. Cool. That's 1. This nigga can't even play about calling about anything in regards to me showing up 59:24 when he's needed Anything the 1 thing I would say is you are always available This 59:33 niggas ready to go It don't matter whether you're on it or not. 2 hands before showtime, this nigga's ready to go. Like... Yo, what you doing, though? Nothing. Nothing? Oh, shit. Oh, 59:41 shit. Hey, you need me now? You need me now? Oh, yeah, you got me on playboy. Oh, yeah. Look at that little bit. Look at that little bit. I don't want no problems, bro. I don't want no problems. 59:50 Oh, man. Nothing, honey. Oh, shit. Oh man. That 59:59 is hilarious. You niggas be trying to make it sound like y'all on Task Rabbit niggas is calling for the help. Yo, 1:00:08 who you have right now? Need you for something. Ain't nobody calling y'all niggas for nothing. Hello? That 1:00:16 niggas love down playing you and it's you're my favorite. Well, how I getting this if 1:00:32 it's my turn to talk you gonna be in it Don't be 1:00:40 sleepy now, I sleepy nigga hello Hello You want soundboard? I do what my own sample. 1:00:48 What would you put on your soundboard? I don't even know what that is. What the fuck does that mean? That's the first time I'm 1:00:56 hearing that. I'm constantly left out of everything. I don't know what the fuck. I don't know what the fuck it means. What is the new drop for? 1:01:04 What is the new drop for? What is the new drop for? Yo I- Just for me to shut the fuck up. Fuck up. Yeah. Wait that's a little off. It's all for me. Pass the ball. 1:01:13 That was for me too. No it's not. No pass the ball wasn't for you. Why you doing no gangsta red face shit for this nigga. He act like he gonna beat us up when we fire. Why you don't do nothing for him? I'm working on something for him too. He do have a temper problem. Hey yo, that's, 1:01:22 I don't have a temper. I'm passionate. No, it's not temper. You have a temper. It's not temper. But the fire is not for you to shut the fuck up. And I can hear the punch, you 1:01:30 mean? I didn't see it, I heard it. Actually, I put the fire in there cause I thought Isha was gonna say something real stupid during the cold shit, but he didn't so even that's a 1:01:38 father Works I 1:01:46 need my own sound board, okay, no doubt I'll talk to you Chuck start making my own sounds and shit. 1:01:54 Bitch ass nigga! You know I ain't gonna like my sound, all my shit gonna sound like DMX. So, yeah, give me a fucking soundboard, you disrespectful, 1:02:02 random motherfucker. Oh man. Make it fear. And that would be hilarious if Mona had a soundboard. Make it fear, bro. I'm just thinking about the shit that we in this. I thought it was some other 1:02:10 stuff that we was fighting about. Oh yeah, we was having a good old versus fight. We was having a versus fight because TI is looking for smoke from 1:02:18 anybody. True. And in our casual talk, I never thought this would make the airwaves, because I didn't think nobody would argue 1:02:26 it. But we was like, yeah, man, TI said he's looking for, niggas said they're looking for that Wayne smoke. 50 Cent smoke. Well, he been 1:02:34 looking for the 50 smoke for a long time. 50 shit is old. Currently, I've been seeing T.I. And Wayne name floating around, niggas are saying that Wayne 1:02:43 probably would lose that. And to my surprise, there were some people in this room who agreed I agree Yes And 1:02:55 don't let Wayne pick his records was gonna get real bad I think TI wins He has got a lot of big records Yeah, 1:03:07 I think it's a good fight. You can play features, right? Yeah, of course. You mean Wayne Brady. I think it'd be a good fight, but I just can't see how T.I. Beats Wayne. Me neither. Shit. 1:03:16 Am I trippin'? T.I. Got it. I think we sleeping on T.I. A little bit. I think it's a good matchup. I still take Wayne by by hair, but I don't think I don't think I don't even 1:03:24 know if TI gets all the property supposed to be really him like oh, I mean he really is My little Wayne? 1:03:33 Yeah. The little funny looking 1? Yup. I'm taking Tia. I'm taking. DeWayne Carter? Yes, DeWayne Michael Carter Jr. Yeah, I'm taking Tia. I'm taking Tia. I can't see how that's possible. It's 1:03:41 so funny that we, it's so funny people saying that we got Tia fucked up. I think y'all got Lil Wayne. I don't have Lil Wayne fucked up at all. And don't get it fucked up, it's not a blowout, 1:03:49 but I just don't see. You can't have Lil Wayne fucked up. Yeah, I don't think so. What's y'all score I think either way is 11 9 Yeah Quick 1:04:02 like 5 TR records that you playing off the rip Motivation what you know about that? Death's 1:04:10 drawn that they made for the boy from fast and furious. That was what I was 1 enough Oh, I wasn't even you know when that boy died or faster for I'm thinking 24 rubber band man 1:04:19 ASAP what's up? You can have whatever you like. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he does not be in 1 of them. All right, y'all talking me out of this. 15, 15, 1:04:27 5. Nah, the score is changing from here. 15, 5. I ain't even saying it right. You can have whatever you like. I'm, yeah, it might be. Huh? Wait, what'd 1:04:36 you say? I'm just saying Wayne got records for them. I love that. I'm gonna tell y'all fans. We just said, I'm not gonna die. I'm gonna live in the sky. They should've said that. They should've said that. He 1:04:44 might have changed. All right, so give me your Wayne records. It's so many. Lollipop. Amelie, he fucking. Fireman. I'm going, I'm going. Let's go 1:04:52 from the beginning. Let's go from the top up. No, just give me some. You can do hot boy shit. I mean, you can. I don't know about Hot Boy shit for the verses but I feel like all them big bangers, 1:05:00 all that little gap when he was like y'all know it's a skateboard Wayne I don't think he can even fully beat the skateboard. So give me Wayne records. I still ain't hero 67A 1:05:10 milli like rock really? Yeah Lollipop She said 67A milli lollipop and we doing features as well. I'm just giving 1:05:18 me Wayne records I don't care features mixed tape. I don't care Do we have to put the I'm gonna put this list together for Wayne essentials They'll 1:05:34 walk out to that so that'd be both for their first round of some shit. What Lil Wayne going to play when I robbing Dick, TI, and them shit? Come on. What Lil? What I'm robbing Dick into? 1:05:42 Blurred lines. Blurred lines. Every girl in the world. Blurred Lines is not connecting in a crowd like that. I think it depends on what city 1:05:50 you're in, but... It don't depend on nothing. It don't depend on nothing. It's a Universal Smash hit. We've seen what Universal Smash hits has also 1:05:58 done at verses before, depending on the crowd. Where? Where? Which verses? Almost every verse. Which 1? Every 1 in the world. I mean I don't know if that was about the song or 1:06:06 the performance though if you look at it. Can we go back to, we named some songs right? I'm a sick ice on you. Cool. No, no, no. Let's do this because I have songs that we 1:06:14 can name. We got Fireman, we have Hustle Music, We have mrs. Officer. We have a lot of We 1:06:23 got go DJ we got mr. Carter we got got money we got up We got a milli we got she will we got 6 foot 7 those are 1:06:31 getting up. Come on like Yo, y'all have really had to y'all fucked up. Yeah I'm gonna let ice go 1:06:40 lock on you like a pit bull. No, he not. Come on, bro. No, he not. I don't think it's a block. I think they both got major shit that's gonna be competitive. I just think Wayne 1:06:48 wins. I don't, and I think because we still relying on Wayne to go out there and Wayne, they said this, and that matters. Yeah, 1:06:56 go to him. I'm sorry, bro. I put you on that. That shit matters. I'm just talking about music right now. I can't talk about the performance of it. See, I gonna go, you can have whatever you like, bring him 1:07:04 out. Swag like, oh, they both get swag like us too. Yeah he lost. Rubber Band Man Yeah, 1:07:13 I don't know What you know about that? Because the other songs that I like are songs that are not hits. That's what Versus is, the Bangers. So I would 1:07:21 have to go seek the pitbull on us, because I don't know. No, I'm not doing that. He ain't got it. I ain't got it. I ain't got it. He got it. I ain't got nothing in the chamber. 1:07:29 Nope, I got nothing. Your pick is done. He's doing that. No, he ain't. So if Blur Lines come on and Lollipop come on, you picking Blur Lines? No. I don't like that matchup, but I 1:07:37 would pick Lollipop. I would take Lollipop. I'll answer your question, I'll pick Lollipop. I'm taking Lollipop. Again, I keep saying, I hate when we do this because what we say as the matchup 1:07:45 don't be the matchup. That's important, yo. What he plays versus this, that's what the verses is about. That's why Jadakiss is who he is in the 1:07:54 verses, because I got a record, I have 4 records for every song in your catalog. The thought that go into it, a lot of these niggas don't do that. 1:08:02 I'll put a playlist together, I'ma play these 20, and this is what's gonna happen. And now the other dude could sit here in Audible and respond to you and 1:08:10 mop you the fuck up. True. And whoever's going second always has the advantage. Well, they're supposed to switch out. So it's the 1:08:18 first 10, then it's the last 10. Whoever's going second has the advantage. So when a nigga hit me with Lollipop, I'm a playoff. What are you gonna hit 1:08:26 you with? I'm a playoff. How about I say, I let it go, but y'all didn't get a couple of them. He hit you with what? Again, I'ma play off. He 1:08:34 keep doing the hand motion too. I'm playing space, like I'ma play off. That's what he do when he get hit with lollipop. I think TI beats most people, but when you talking about 20 songs, I 1:08:42 got Wayne in the distance. Wayne is Wayne. Wayne was out before TI. He has Way 1:08:55 Wayne, so what you play when when when something forgot come on 90 you heard 97 something like that your eyes, excuse me. What 1:09:03 do you play when something you forgot? I told you you do that on the spot again. I'm nothing. I don't know because I say that Like 1:09:13 I said the last time we had the verses talk The matchup matters, so I don't know what was played before. I'm not, bro, that's the most important part of this shit. 1:09:21 I'm sorry. That is the most important part of the verses. Like you have second- Would you play when this come on? All right, well can I go to my TL Playlist? That's what I want me to do. What am I gonna do? 1:09:29 He gave you a song. What would you play to compete against that song? All right, let me go to my playlist. Leave me alone, leave me alone. And then we'll stick in nothing. And after this, just a quick 1:09:37 exercise, we can leave this, because we'd just be uneducated hip hop buffoons on these fucking talks. How you figure? How 1:09:45 you figure? Because we'd just be saying shit. What would we be saying? I mean, it's all a matter of taste. See, I can use the Swagga Like Us verse. No, no, they both got that. They both got that. There's 1:09:53 no point in usin' that. And hopefully neither 1 of them play it. Yeah. I don't need to hear that then. First 1 to play Swagger Like Us lose. Knowing 1:10:02 them, they'd probably do a little medley where they got records together do it a half time or some shit or at the end They got soldier. They got swag like us Anything that's a freestyle over here 1:10:10 be you know they not there's no animosity there they boys what what soldier destiny child destiny child they 1:10:22 could do at the very end for the fans that they've been on. And if they do it, I'm going to get a slice. Does it matter if they're on the same song? And a Pepsi, yeah. And 1 1:10:30 of them smoked the other? That's interesting. You know what I mean? You could be on the same song That's the question I 1:10:38 can't think of So I got like us something both rules are yeah, they both got busy. I'm trying to think No, yeah, I really don't see it with ti y'all. I'm 1:10:46 sorry. That's they were already in the dope boys remember he was in that little group for a week or 2. And TI, let's not get it fucked up. Yeah I really had TI fucked up. Not a disrespect to 1:10:54 TI because TI catalog is amazing. I'm a huge TI fan bro. It's not, I think I'm more of a TI fan than Wayne to be honest. Wayne's in 1:11:03 another tier. I'm just talking about on that verse and stage, 20 records. We get our time together. I'm running through hits. I'm going to y'all. I do think the big part of it is 1:11:11 who has the better relationship with the DJ like you said because I've seen that happen with KISS almost every time. Their 1:11:19 DJ is rehearsed to know what they need to audible to depending on the type of person in competition. T, I got about 4 records, that's probably 1:11:27 a guaranteed point. Yeah. I won't say 4, but. That's a guaranteed point, maybe no matter what way he play, he got 3 to 4 of those. That 1:11:35 I'm going to give him the point. It's what you know about that, he going to get a point from me. What's that other than I got my upie? Damn. 1:11:45 Top back, that's going to be tough. Top back against Go DJ is a good round, but top back against most of us. And Go DJ whoops that, Go DJ beat wins, bro. 1:11:53 Keep going. What else, T.I. I got it. Live your life. That's the guaranteed point. What's live your life? You can have whatever you like. You can have Rihanna. That's the guaranteed point, but I like that record a lot. Yes, 1:12:02 that's a guarantee point. That's not a guarantee point. Whatever you like. What's he play? No 1:12:15 Let's just say he wants to steal the point. What if he played a milli? If he played a milli, you give him that point to TI? Me? I am. No. No, I'm not. No. I'm not. No. I'm not saying 1:12:23 shit. I'm not. I didn't like a milli like that. I am. I don't think this is a battle we ever see. So we don't need to. I don't think so either. We don't need to. Why not, though? Because I don't think them niggas 1:12:31 will do it. I don't think them niggas will do it. I don't think they're going to do it. Oh man, what else is important? I'm still looking at Tia's song. Me too, and they just think this is bugging. 1:12:40 What else are we passionate about in the universe? Anything, anything, anything? Well, I've been watching this Melinda and Bill Gates stuff 1:12:48 in the news. If y'all didn't see it, Melinda Gates, former wife of Bill Gates, the mogul, founder of Microsoft, they asked her about the recent 1:12:56 revelation that Bill Gates was mentioned in these Epstein papers. I don't want to get into the Epstein paper stuff because there's a bunch of gross, ill stuff about that. But Bill was 1:13:04 quoted as saying in the papers that he got some STDs and talking about how he was going to get 1:13:12 some medicine for it and then find a way to slip it to his wife. He ain't the only nigga that thought of that before. 1:13:21 Nigga that thought of that. Wait, has that thought, I mean- What? I think that thought runs through everybody's mind. Oh, shit. 1:13:29 Especially if it come in pill form, not the injection. That's so crazy. I mean, everybody who's been in that situation, I've never been in that situation. I know I have, so. I've never had an STI, but I'm 1:13:37 just saying, if you were to cheat and get an STI, what do you do? Baby, this spaghetti is bad. Do you tell your partner before 1:13:46 it's at least trying to put some... You like powdered donuts? Oh, shit. You crush it up? Well, you don't even put it 1:13:54 in the liquid, you just go straight. Damn. It's a good boy. Hey baby, don't this Pepsi taste funny? Taste it, fuck it. That's crazy. And I want you to taste it for the next 3 to 7 days, 1:14:02 what the fuck are we talking about? We did another 1. How do you get that off every day? I don't even know how people do that. That's crazy. Yo that's insane. We on 1:14:10 the juice cleanse baby, every day this morning we gonna take this. That's it. That is crazy. It's a little tart cause of the kale. What the fuck are we talking about? 1:14:18 I can't imagine doing that, but I do know that that's not an original thought. I've heard people talk about doing that. I hate that niggas can't be real up here, yo. I hate it. Why? 1:14:27 You're gonna start going too far. Go ahead, tell me what's up. At least 2 or 3 niggas up here have thought about that. I'll keep it a stack. 1:14:36 What? I've definitely thought of that. When I caught my little joint. I never caught a joint. So you gotta live life. Pardon me. Or not. If 1:14:44 that's living life, I'm good. I'm cool. Jokingly, but yes, there was a time where I caught something And little little clack little 1:14:52 which gave and engage something and I clap back and I clap back Super spread you know you passed the smack Yeah, 1:15:03 I passed I gave a little bitch is sterile. I gave her the medicine wrong. This bitch can't have children for the rest of her life. But no. What? What 1:15:11 the fuck? There's a couple of thoughts that run through your mind. Sickos. These niggas is sickos up here. And I'm tired of this shit. The first thought is, can 1:15:19 I find a way to blame it on her? Make it seem like she gave it to me. That's real. I've heard that that's that's that's 1 I've heard that I've heard who gave you that 1:15:27 and then you know, they say hey You got to go ahead and notify the people that you've been in contact with. You put them all on a party line. 1:15:37 Oh shit, group text. Fucked up. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how group text was invented. But the other thought is their way to 1:15:45 give this, because back then it just used to be a powder joint. Just take the powder, put it in the water. I don't know. I'm just telling you something. I'm science. 17, 18 years 1:15:53 old. At that age, there was no, you didn't have to do a... It was 1 stop shop, just 1 time you drunk it. Just put a little, starts with an A, a zitro 1:16:01 something a zitro something oh you talk about the z-pack is this the mice it was a z-pack and you were put in the water that niggas said a z-pack get rid of the clap 1:16:09 a zitro something no what no it doesn't work It doesn't work. Am 1:16:18 I an agent? You still got that shit? This nigga's a dick. A Z-pack for a cold. You can get it for a bunch of 1:16:26 shit, but I ain't no... I've had it for cold. What does Z-pack start with? A Zitro-myson. A Zitro, it starts with 1:16:34 an A. You trying to be cool with an A. He fucked me up. Azitro, mycin. Oh, that was funny as shit. Azitro, mycin. 1:16:44 You take 2 pills, 6. You take 1 or 2 the first day and then you take 1 for the next 5 days. As someone who had an STD before, I don't remember the medicine 1:16:52 I took. Yeah. I never had STD. I took it for 1. I could take about 1 a year when I get sick. Sinus infection. Yeah, stuff like that. Okay. Well, I'm just telling you, 1:17:01 at that point, the doctor will give you this pack until you take that, blah, blah, blah, and sustain 1:17:09 from any sex. I just took 1 little pill. We don't need to know it either. We don't plan on. So I'm just telling you, sometimes What people would try to do is they would try to steal 1:17:17 or get an extra pack and then it will try to find a way to give it to the girl through some type of drink. So what happened when she caught you putting the pill in her drink? No, 1:17:25 I had to tell her. Oh. After she caught you, she told you? I mean, you told her? No, after I got the results and realized that the trick of me trying 1:17:33 to reverse it on her wasn't working, I just told her to drink it. You didn't try to slip to drink it. No, no. Oh, you're right. 1 single dose. I 1:17:42 went to All Let It Immersive on 233rd. I remember it like it was yesterday. What was your symptoms? Burning and itchy? 250 milligrams, single dose in the water. 1:17:51 Smell? No, just ooze. Oh, you might have got that. Oh, ooze. No ooze, just a stingy pee. Oh, it's burned a little bit. Little stingy. No 1:17:59 fire, just little stingy. So no more on Melinda Gates. Yeah, we kind of. I'm giving you the reasons why people. Well, Bill Gates 1:18:07 came. Well, Bill Gates did an interview, and so did Melinda. Melinda said that she felt sad at the thought of his name even being mentioned. 1:18:15 And Bill Gates is a very strange guy, but cause I was trying to look at him like, is he being honest? But he said there's no truth to none of it. He also said that 1:18:24 Epstein sent himself an email and the email that Epstein has that's written to Bill, he never sent it to Bill. Bill was able to prove that. Probably went to spam or something, 1:18:32 right? The first thing I thought was, He could prove it. This is all like, blackmail. You know what I mean? Like, let's say if Bill 1:18:40 really did go to that island and really did have whatever, or went to dinner or whatever, I'ma make it look like this email is here because at the end of the day when this shit get dark 1:18:48 I'm gonna tell these niggas Yo, if y'all give it up, I'm giving y'all up. That was always Epstein thing Of course it was you know everything got locked up before did time in Florida. So it's like it's not his 1:18:56 first time getting in trouble It's not the government first time knowing what he does Bill Gates is on that that list that I was giving earlier about just people I don't believe. 1:19:05 I'm with you on that 1. Bill Gates is on that 1. There's no world where we believe Jeffrey Epstein is alive somewhere, right? No. No. They need 1:19:13 him to be dead. No, they need, yeah. He had to go. You think it's possible? Yo, though, when they kind of certain 1:19:21 type of money and a certain type of access I don't think anything is beyond Them without being spotted or maybe change the face you so 1:19:29 my spot somebody spotted him hanging himself guys I'm just asking a question. I'm just well why not killing like it was be save us all some trouble. We just 1:19:37 got rid of this thing You're right. So why why is he gonna make it look like? I think the conspiracy is to fake suicide if he's in this weak-ass 1:19:45 point where it's like you stuck in because when he got in trouble in Florida he had jail time yo he can leave like 12 hours a day he could go to the 1:19:53 hotel he'd go to the ball court it was so sweet it wasn't that this time he really MDC so where he's stuck so it's like if you got him in this weak point I'm gonna say he don't have access to 1:20:02 the same amount of stuff and other people have more access because they're not in jail So why not just get rid of him? That's just it. That's what the conspiracy theories What would make more sense for him to 1:20:10 be dead, right? Because why would anybody even help keep him alive when most people close to him was on some freak ass shit So I'm going to risk of him. Let me ask 1:20:18 you this. Oh, why is a real predator different? Why risk? Or why not the same verdict for Ghislaine Maxwell? What 1:20:27 you mean? Why she ain't dead, you say it. Oh, I can't tell you that. Where is Ghislaine Maxwell? Supposedly in a, supposedly 1:20:36 in a minimum security in Florida, some shit like that. If you're asking me, like I'm just throwing shit at a wall to answer you, I think they had 2 different 1:20:45 approaches. Like Mona said, I think that Jeffrey Epstein's approach was all you niggas is getting every leg I think he was on 1:20:53 some sign up. Yo everybody know I'm holding them down. I'm standing holding y'all down Please somebody come on That's a good point. So if his 1:21:01 attitude's like that, that automatically, we gonna get together like the Avengers and try to get this nigga outta here. No, if you gave the wrong testimony to your lawyer, your lawyer gonna come back and be like, 1:21:09 yo, this nigga foldin', so y'all better figure it out. That's a possibility. At the end of the day, I just feel like, I don't know if y'all read that stuff or not, but it's like, that 1:21:17 shit is next level sick, you know? So it's just like a constant reminder of like, how sick shit get, just who's 1:21:25 in charge right now and shit like that. Cause he said it plain and clear, I think it's time for us to get over it and worry about things that really matter, like healthcare, 1:21:33 you know what I mean? It's like, like that shit is freaked out. I got a dark question, but I mean, I'm asking it 1:21:42 to be lighthearted. God forbid, because I'm joking around. In the event that any 1 of us after work Didn't 1:21:50 make it home Where's the first place we should look for each of y'all? That's a good question I'm 1:21:58 talking about from here the highway to your home Whatever the highway You never went home, now people gotta get together. Yo, 1:22:07 he was at work for sure. We gotta make it home. So where we going first? We going to the mailbox. I'm going to the mailbox. You 1:22:15 are not from. Markup in the basement hiding from his tolerance What happened? Where mark on B? This 1:22:25 is what's the mark? Yeah, what everybody laughing at I'm trying to figure out what's the beat niggas up for laughing at shit. I know they was laughing at back in the 1:22:33 day They're gonna work in here. I got I got ish at I got ish at the milk no way to milk for sure first first I'm 1:22:44 at the bar I'm in somebody room It's not that hard. I'll show a blackout troke. I'm in some ice room. I 1:22:52 don't know. What? Just being real. Peace, peace, peace. Alright, young 1:23:00 1. Don't worry, J-Wan. We held J-Cole down today. We ain't let ICE do that stupid shit. Oh, that's why you came up here, nigga. You came 1:23:09 here to make sure ICE ain't say nothing stupid. And don't grab your mic like that again, J-One. Let me see the hoodie. Hey, yo. Hey, yo. Yeah, that is cool. We don't even say 1:23:17 pause no more, guys. No, but we paused. We're progressive. We ain't that progressive. That's so far off, man. We're pausing that. Yeah, we held J. Cole down today. We ain't let Ice do that shit. Oh, he 1:23:25 ain't been K. Cole man? Yeah. I tell you who didn't, Game. You see Game's review of the album? What'd he say? Game's review of what album? J. Cole. 1:23:34 Oh, man. Where is that? Of course you didn't. I just came out. I'm just in my segue. Yeah, so. Oh, where? Good job, Martin. Game broke 1:23:42 down. I'm not gonna go through all of it, but he made a nice little thing. He went track by track. Some of the tracks we liked, he absolutely didn't. We talked about last episode. 1:23:50 2-6, he gave 5 out of 10. Safety, he gave 4 out of 10. Run the Train, he gave 8 out of 10. Poor Thang, 9 out of 10. 7 out of 10 for Legacy. 1:23:59 He loved Brunson Road Blues, 10 out of 10, but then he gave these criticisms, like drum and bass only 6 out of 10. Some of the tracks that sit were too long. He was getting like rapper-ly, like the tone and 1:24:07 cadence was off. I just thought it was really interesting, the let out 4 out of 10. I thought it was interesting because I don't usually hear a lot of artists Rate 1:24:15 other artists and records like that with numbers. That's pretty hardcore. It's on his Instagram. I don't know I mean, it's you saying that a love he wasn't he wasn't saying it with hate or 1:24:23 or he was saying like this is done respectfully You know, I mean, I just love hip-hop, but I just was surprised he said a lot of shit that we said I was showing this we taking 1:24:31 him taking him at his work. Of course, he's out of love People we absolutely believe If 1:24:40 he hasn't do that on a regular to a certain extent it's like where that come from Especially we talk about being really anal about the ratings. It's like that's we just full of love you're not gonna be anal 1:24:48 about things like cadence. If he keeps it up, then it's- Well, he ends in here and says, next up, Don Toliver, which is an album I've been wanting to check out this weekend as well. Like, 1:24:56 it's- I'm not mad at him. Overall, I gave the album 7 out of 10. He just opened his notepad and track by track and wrote it out. You don't like him doing that? I hate him doing that. 1:25:04 Yeah, it's weird. I absolutely hate him doing that. Why? I hate any active artist doing that. Rapper to rapper, that's weird. Explain why. Well, I think 1:25:12 there's a code with active artists. Yep, I agree. I think there's certain bylaws that you have to abide by as an active artist. If 1:25:22 you have relationship with this person you can give them your real critique behind the scenes. When you do it publicly it looks performative. 1. 2. MC 1:25:30 critique is not going to be like any other critique. So you putting this out for public consumption and who is supposed to really understand this unless 1:25:39 it's other MCs. 3, this could be got thinly veiled as something else. We know game is fly with Drake. We know 1:25:47 there was rumblings of Drake snippets dropping on cold day which y'all may not take nothing from I do. I take 1:25:55 a lot from that. I don't want to talk about it but I take a lot from that. So this is your man and now you're talking about J Cole and you talk about Up Next is Don Toliver, that means nothing to me. 1:26:03 Don Toliver's album is amazing. So you're not gonna get on there and say nothing overly critical about it. It's a great album. But 1:26:12 if you go on track by- That's not true, cause you might get on Don Toliver and feel differently about it. He might be like this song's a 4, this song's a 5, then yeah. 1:26:20 So if he did it like that with the same scrutiny that he did this album, then he just might be on some- If he's on some shit now where it's, yo, I'm just, I got some time, 1:26:29 I'm just breaking down albums that I'm listening to. And I started with this 1, he went track by track and gave a pretty detailed explanation why 1:26:38 he felt the way he did about it. I'm not mad at that, especially coming from a rapper. Joe, when you- Because he hears things a little differently than the rest of us. When you critiqued 1:26:49 Views, what was the big album from Drake that it was Views right? It was Views. Were you considered an active artist at that point? 1:26:58 I should have been toward retirement. Okay. I should have been toward retirement. My thing with the game- I'm doing it. I'm sorry. No, no. Go ahead. Is if he could 1:27:06 take it back if another rapper does it without getting offended. That was a large part of me retiring and sticking 1:27:14 to it is there's a code. Yo, if I'm gonna sit here and speak about y'all like a 1:27:22 critic, then the least I owe it to the game is to not jump back into dance. That's true. I'm sitting as an observer, 1:27:30 I'm critiquing as an observer, I'm gonna be honest, it may offend some of y'all, but I'm no longer in the club. That's logical. And I'm going to stay out the club. That's logical. Ah, see, I like 1:27:38 the other side of that. Me too, me too. Not when you talk to every day for a living about music. No, I'm talking about in the hit. I mean, I'm talking about 1:27:46 like being still in it, like almost like an active NBA player sitting there critiquing the game. I like that. And then I still gotta get back on 1:27:54 the court and lace them up. See, but you shouldn't do that. I shouldn't. Why? Because now it opens the door 1:28:03 for every single game that you play. To be critiqued? Yeah. Okay, what if I'm with that though? As a game, real 1:28:12 quick, as game. He might be fine with anybody critiquing me. Niggas been critiquing him anyway. So now, and if 1 of you rap niggas decide 1:28:20 to say something about me that I don't like, I'm gonna rap. I'll still jump out. I'll mix it up with you. If somebody says something about game, he don't like 1:28:28 enough, he gonna fight. Yeah. And that's the point right there. That's why I just said, yo, I hope that if somebody critiques him in the same manner 1:28:36 which he critiquing them, but I don't take a person I do think in a perfect world. It would be nice to get a good Unbiased opinion about music from 1:28:44 another person who's actually in music, but I don't think like you said, I don't think they should retire so they don't think there's a good respectful way to do that. When 1:28:52 Tom Brady retires, tell me all about Jordan Love, Dak Prescott, give me your true opinion on they throw in for me all that. If you go in to lace up 1:29:00 next week, no, no, like when Romo and Tom Brady talk, I'll be like, damn. And in football, basketball, 1:29:09 they'd be trying to have a little more fake freedom, but they even dwindling down on that. In football, I assume that 1:29:17 Travis Kelce is retiring soon because of how they talk on their podcast like that says to me oh he ain't gonna just plan on doing that and 1:29:26 doing that. Will that be reckless? No but they speak about other people's defensive schemes and game plans and coaches like they really don't 1:29:34 like Dre Mon's podcast. Dre Mon shouldn't be doing that. Dre Mon shouldn't be doing it. Dre Mon get on there and say everything 1:29:42 about every team and every player. As a fan I may think that shit is cool. As a player, I would absolutely hate that. As a player, I wanna, but when I get on the court 1:29:50 against Dre, man, I wanna shut you up as a player. And if I'm Dre, man, come do it. If you can't shut me up, oh well, I'm still 1:29:58 gonna keep talking. Yeah, I think- I don't see the problem with that. As the fan, I think the fan would love to be able to see this so I hear that but yes I do think that this is 1:30:06 a family fan want to get some at all Yeah, the fan wanted a game do this because the game is the perfect person to do it. He can rap He has great albums. So yes, 1:30:15 But if I'm in the sport and I'm in the game, I don't want to have the person that I Essentially have to go back and forth with do that with me. I don't 1:30:23 I don't yeah, I want to I get it Yeah, we on opposite sides of that. I don't see nothing wrong with being a fan of something critiquing it while you do it. I don't 1:30:32 Especially if I can put out high quality albums. I can, I can? It's tact and etiquette. Yeah. Some things, some things have, but again, 1:30:41 you didn't read the review. He didn't shit on him. He's not doing this disrespectfully. Says who? He didn't shit on him. Look at the review. You're an active rapper. Don't 1:30:49 call none of my songs are 4 out of 10. Yeah, I hear yeah Okay, what if this is what if he's trying to approach 1:30:57 his? His exit from music You need to tell me that don't tell me I mean cool shit on my album ain't 1:31:05 the way to announce your retirement. Where did you shitting on it? I don't like that. I don't want to say shitting on my album with 7 out of 10. And if he was going to get some shit on it. Let me say it, he didn't shit on it. 1:31:13 I don't like him soft launching with J. Cole. Like, did I miss something that he did it with before? No. Then maybe I changed my opinion. No, not that I know of. 1:31:21 I haven't seen it before, but I've gotta look for it. But again, this album is so big, like, you're going to get a lot of motherfuckers who probably don't talk about albums and got something to 1:31:29 say about J. Cole. This might be the perfect time to launch it. Nigga, everybody was waiting for this album. But you're not everybody. You are an active participant 1:31:38 who has close relationships with a few of the people that are involved. We don't know what to believe anymore because we don't know who's tight with who, 1:31:46 who hates who, who's behind the scenes. It can be taken as a slight. Who's on the group chats, who's on the, we don't know. All of that can exist if game retired right now I 1:31:54 could still be cool with this person. You don't know who I'm cool with behind the scenes nigga Yo put it up here niggas say We covered shit differently because they think we cool with certain people behind 1:32:02 the scenes. Well, we do no we don't She I just she oh well y'all do But what I'm just saying that that don't because he's active 1:32:10 that don't remove the rest of that It's a totally different set of rules if he's retired Hey, yeah, if he's retired there's different rules that you have 1:32:18 to abide by and different amounts of respect that need to be paid. You don't have to pay that fee at that door. Anyway. The 1:32:27 game is the OG. I don't see him having to pay that fee regardless at this point in his career. And I think it's, I find it telling, sorry to control you, I find it telling that he mentions at the end Don Toliver. 1:32:35 It's almost like you knew niggas were gonna look at that funny. That's why you had to say I'm gonna do somebody else. That was a little weird too. Or that's what I'm doing next. I wanted that both 1:32:43 of these shits just dropped. Don Toliver just dropped last week. And yo, I wanted to hear that this weekend too. Like this is a big, another album that a lot 1:32:51 of motherfuckers are talking about. I'm gonna listen to this and critique it. So question, so does that mean for everyone up here, like if we isolate everyone, does that mean 1:32:59 Parks shouldn't be allowed to vocalize his opinion on production and mixing. Does that mean I shouldn't be able to vocalize my ideas 1:33:08 on singers and stuff, or you on other podcasters? I don't know, I hear what you're saying, but then it don't really make sense When you talk about- If you 1:33:16 made an album, like tomorrow, a new album, right? And Usher reviewed it, or Leon Thomas reviewed it, and was like, this is a 4 out of 10, this is a 5 out of 10, this is a 9 out of 10, this is a 1:33:24 10 out of 10, you feel a way, right? No, I mean, the only reason why I wouldn't feel a way is because I'm also in a space with a lot of 1:33:32 eyes doing the same to them. But your primary role in doing this is not as singer, it's as journalist, podcast, interviewer. But I'm still. 1:33:40 You saying because you got a foot in both, that's the same thing that game is doing. And that's how I bring up Parks. Parks is still heavily involved in the music business. So what happens in 1:33:49 that case? You don't hear the way Park speaks? Especially about engineers. It's about other producers, engineers, the background people, anybody in the credits. Do you listen to how 1:33:57 he speaks? He sounds like somebody with, There's a code, there's bylaws, these are my peers, there's a certain respect there. That's 1:34:05 how he talks. Parks is also giving me a set of hate this mix though. Yeah, like come on. Very seldomly. But he said it, that's what I'm saying. It don't matter, he swiped 1:34:13 it. It don't matter. It's different from a rating and getting anal duds of piece to piece and foreign tans to each song. And Parks won't mention the mixer. He'll say, yo, the mix wasn't done very good on this. 1:34:22 He won't be like, yo, blah, blah, blah, did a shit job at mixing this. If Game is taking songs track by track, and let's just say track 1:34:30 1, he gives it a 10 out of 10 and then track 2 he says is a 4 out of 10 for him that's not him shitting on the person or the project that's him giving his 1:34:38 honest opinion of what he likes about I think I think I think we being choosy and picky if that's the case because if Park's saying it once or twice and 1:34:47 yeah but then my argument would be Parkes shouldn't say it once or twice it wouldn't be that Game should do it more. Okay okay. 1:34:58 And for me I have Parkes as more respectful than Game. Same same same. Oh even when he's saying I don't fuck with this mix 1:35:06 it's said in a way and his reputation is that when games say, this nigga shit is a 3 out of 10, 4 out of 1:35:14 10, It's gonna hit different. It's just gonna hit different. Okay, so your opinion is not. Hip hop is by nature competitive, right? So it's being read through 1:35:22 a lens of competition in a way that mixing isn't. You know what I'm saying? You're not getting that. So I mean, as a fan, I 1:35:31 automatically assume Game and Cole still have some little rivalry. I'm sure there's a- The fans might not, but- But that's what I'm talking about. Amongst mixers you do, for sure. For sure, but I'm just 1:35:39 saying- Amongst producers you do, for sure. I have no doubt about that, but I'm saying as a- Cause part of this is how it's being interpreted by the general public. I'm just saying, as a member of the general public, when I 1:35:47 hear Game do that, I'm already thinking, okay, what's up with that? Whereas if you sat in a little bit of that mix, my first thought isn't, what's Park's issue with that engineer, you know what I'm saying? That's why I just don't think about it. 1:35:55 Even though, look, real quick, real quick. I'm just speaking as a fan. So the take really is more, you should be able to critique as long as you're respectful? Well, 1:36:04 let's change what I'm saying. Let me read 1 of the 4 out of tens. The let out, beat was fire if this is a Post Malone or Eminem song. 1:36:12 I didn't enjoy this 1 as much as the previous ones. The T.I.ish harmonies were the second best thing about this song. I did appreciate the concept and the hoods, excuse 1:36:20 me, and the hood spoken word outro too. Overall, I'll give this 1 a 4 out of 10. Even in the 4 out of 10, it's still, I'm not shitting on it. 1:36:28 Yo, get this shit the fuck out of here. 4 out of 10, shitting on it though. Bro, everything ain't going to be a 10. I know. So everything ain't good. Crazy. But even in my saying it's 1:36:36 not good I'm still bigging up what I liked about it what I'm this like I didn't just sit here and say yo this 1 is trash I want to be clear I'm not mad at you doing this I'm 1:36:45 for this but I can understand why Jake hold my read that review and feel something boy My nigga 4 out of 10 is a F Even 1:36:57 in your F, it's not a 0 out of 10 I'm sorry I didn't mean to do that so loud. What's that? Come 1:37:05 on man. See 1:37:26 that's why it's important for me to go back. These albums be coming out fast and I may miss the last 4 songs you had on there. There 1:37:34 be some heat on the end of some of these bars. This is all the way at the end of Don Tolivert's your TMU. Turn 1:37:45 me up, turn me up, turn me up, turn me up, turn me up Don't he like Don Toliver? Turn me up, turn me up, turn me up, turn me up I love this nigga, yo Turn me up, turn me 1:37:53 up, turn me up, turn me up You're sexy In the Hitty, got me wildin' Girl, don't text me I'll take that, Just get to the 1:38:01 tropics we get messy. Okay, yo, we're gonna take my I 1:38:30 can't know your body, but I said how you came Show me what you came to be It's a tiny tune That 1:38:39 song was fire Last 1 Checking man out real quick Is 1:38:50 Don again? Yeah. Don's shit is hard. You'll like this 1. 0, that part is huge. Yeah. Oh 1:39:15 So if you wanna get sex tonight How about you throw your A-something down Tell the 1:39:24 moon, I can't lie now I wanna see you naked Ooh, ooh, now you 1:39:32 know, you know I just can't take I can't take it no more Got your panties at the floor, put your ass on the door right 1:39:42 now Oh I can't take it Guilty 1:39:52 -> 100:00.560] for you. He switches almost. Yeah, well he went his whole should be switching I knew