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— [100:03.160 --> 100:11.640] when Chris Brown came in the business he wanted to be wanted to do Jackson nobody nobody said it when the last we heard a new artist make a statement like I'm the next

— [100:11.720 --> 100:19.880] anything That gets tricky though Cuz at the same time we champion independence and just finding your your fan base and catering to them and fuck blinders on everything else.

— [100:19.880 --> 100:28.000] We champion grits. And artists do say that? We do, but from a business standpoint, at least up here, we champion finding your fan base, catering to them, and

— [100:28.000 --> 100:36.360] just go. Yeah, but that don't mean these niggas is doing it. We champion it. A lot of them are, a lot of them are. We just don't talk about them because they're not

— [100:36.360 --> 100:44.720] fucking Billboard material. A lot of artists jump out the window, you saying people don't say I'm the next whatever, whatever. That's not true. Soon as Lil Baby said he was the next Lil Wayne, fall

— [100:44.720 --> 100:52.820] off. Soon as ESTG said I'm the next Jeezy, fall off. Like sometimes- They shouldn't say any of that. No, that's what I said, they shouldn't say it. But I'm just saying, people do say it and- No, no, but what I'm saying, the world gotta

— [100:52.820 --> 101:01.120] say it. The world gotta say it. Like I remember when Chris Brown first came up. Chris never said it. No, when Chris first came up, he just wanted to battle them. Yes. He was a kid, I remember,

— [101:01.120 --> 101:09.160] we was all signing a job at the same time. They would take a 16 year old Chris to parties because he was like Justin Timberlake's gonna be there, I wanna battle him.

— [101:09.180 --> 101:17.220] That's why Chris Brown is still here 20 something years later because he wanted to be great, the person before him. These new artists are just, I'm making money, I'm good at my

— [101:17.220 --> 101:25.440] business, my brand, and it's good. That's why I'm like, we gotta get back to the greatness, the independence, that's great to celebrate that. But I don't think no 1 listens to it now. I'm 30

— [101:25.440 --> 101:33.500] years now, and be like, man, this was great for independent. Either you loved it or you didn't. Yeah. True. Playa Fly is 1 of my favorite rappers. I know ain't nobody

— [101:33.500 --> 101:41.820] here ever heard of Playa Fly. Playa Fly. You can't tell me his albums ain't classic when me and my niggas together, but I get why a nigga would say it's not, but Playa

— [101:41.820 --> 101:49.820] Fly has a cult following, and I'm 1 of those guys. But I know y'all know, He's from Tennessee. Like anybody in Atlanta, T.I., GZ, any of them

— [101:49.820 --> 101:57.960] niggas, everybody was listening to Play-A-Fly. I just got hip hop in Tennessee. What? Tennessee? I'm joking. All right, so I'm going to be honest. Memphis is in Tennessee. I'm going to tell you something.

— [101:57.960 --> 102:05.980] Tennessee is in Atlanta. It is? Tennessee shaped niggas. Yes, you're a geographies. Please, please. Memphis, Tennessee shaped Atlanta sound.

— [102:05.980 --> 102:15.200] Atlanta sounds like Tennessee for sure. It is, ain't it? It is. You right. No, because Atlanta was booty shake music before. And

— [102:15.200 --> 102:23.320] then we was listening, if he was listening to, if he was in Atlanta in the 90s, when we listen to gangsta music, street music, that was Memphis, Tennessee. So when TI

— [102:23.320 --> 102:31.620] come out, I'm 22, still a vetting the game and nigga Tip is listening to 8 Baller MJG and Player Fly and all those niggas. That's what influenced

— [102:31.640 --> 102:39.780] him. That's why he called it trap music, because he's an Atlanta nigga. But Memphis sound is Atlanta. I'd never take that from him. I feel like artists are there just competing against the

— [102:39.780 --> 102:48.040] idea of creating play listing. They're treating their albums like a playlist. They're not really going in there with the intention of doing a concept. They're not even

— [102:48.040 --> 102:56.160] listening back to other albums to even get inspired. You talk to most of the people within any genre, hip hop, R&B, whatever, they don't even know enough

— [102:56.160 --> 103:04.320] about the pioneers that came before that to even know where this should be shaped. I'm talking about today, if you look at some

— [103:04.320 --> 103:12.340] of the more popular R&B artists today. I'm not saying best, I'm not saying most creative. Some of the most popular R&B artists today, they don't even

— [103:12.340 --> 103:20.340] sound like R&B artists and they also don't even dedicate their music and show respect to the R&B artists before that. Olivia Dean had 1 of the best R&B albums last year. I

— [103:20.340 --> 103:28.400] think she pays homage to them. Olivia Dean is not, Olivia Dean, sadly enough to say, even though it can be to our ears, she's not considered R&B.

— [103:28.900 --> 103:36.960] What's she considered? She's considered a pop artist, and she's treated like a pop artist and she's marketed like a pop artist. She's from the UK. And that's an even more reason because if

— [103:36.960 --> 103:45.040] you go and look at the UK and how they treat R&B, it's something totally different. Their R&B is by pop music. Our R&B is their pop music. So

— [103:45.040 --> 103:53.340] it's R&B artists today from the States don't go back and do the whole, if you listen to a Sasha Keibu, you

— [103:53.340 --> 104:01.500] can tell that they're actually going back and they're studying what was already laid down. So they're going to attribute some of that music to Anita Baker or

— [104:01.500 --> 104:09.540] Patty or Whitney or whatever if you talk to the day-to-day R&B artists male or female They're talking about T pain. They talking

— [104:09.540 --> 104:17.820] about Someone that we don't even consider traditional R&B like that's just what it is R&B out here is just a mixture

— [104:17.840 --> 104:26.200] of hip hop, hip hop and- But Tank said that. Yeah. But Tank said that's what he Tank said, yo, the average R&B artist today is competing with hip hop

— [104:26.200 --> 104:34.320] because hip hop has become so melodic. So It's unfair almost. I agree with that. That's why Chris is 1

— [104:34.320 --> 104:42.600] of the last of the Mohicans when they come to studying the crap. Like still being a part of the young shit, still evolving, but that nigga

— [104:42.600 --> 104:50.780] knows his history. He knows what the fuck. But there's 1 more thing about Chris that you got to give him. Chris has his door open to every dope creative

— [104:50.780 --> 104:58.820] in America. True. Bro, he works with everybody. Like, I'm telling you, some of these artists, like, you can't get in the room with these big artists. Yeah, he works with everybody. Chris Brown

— [104:58.820 --> 105:06.960] will let anybody in the room with your dope. That's what makes him different. And if you do that, usually that mean you're letting in young

— [105:06.960 --> 105:15.060] energy. Young ideas. New energy will keep you young. Right, it's usually when you close that door you like, nah, keep. That's when the shit starts to add on 25 plus. But when you got a

— [105:15.060 --> 105:23.520] 21 year on the room giving you some sauce. Sleep at Night is on the first album? Sleep at Night. Chris Brown's Sleep at Night. No, that's on Indigo. No, that's way,

— [105:24.160 --> 105:32.260] that's 2 albums ago. But you know what, Ray, to your point. Breezy, I'm sorry. He'll do that with the young upcoming. I gotta read it first. Like the Jadon and all that. But he'll also

— [105:32.980 --> 105:41.180] sit with Hank. You know what I'm saying? He does the balance of both. At no point will he ever feel out of place if he goes ahead and gets on a adult and

— [105:41.180 --> 105:49.200] contemporary artist record. And he'll also be willing to break a new act. He work with chicks. He works with everybody, bro. Everybody, that's what

— [105:49.200 --> 105:57.200] makes him different. Chris Brown works with it, too. I would argue that the industry is just full of more influencers now. See, I don't like it. That makes it sound like bickering old heads because there's

— [105:57.200 --> 106:05.720] plenty of young people. Leon Thomas, there's Livy Dean, whether you want to consider young or not, you can look at LMA, you can look at R-E-L-N-I-X,

— [106:05.940 --> 106:14.020] you can look at a bunch of people who clearly listen to R&B and care about their craft. So just lumping everything into maybe some of the kids that go viral on the

— [106:14.020 --> 106:22.260] internet is not fair to the people that are creating really good shit. And by the way, are also being heralded by the fucking Grammys who are selling

— [106:22.460 --> 106:30.480] fucking number 1 on the charts. We just sound like we're bitching about these things. No, it's okay. But what do you think is more wrong? We're not bitching, we're pointing. But I ain't even bitching about it. We're

— [106:30.480 --> 106:38.520] not bitching about it. We're literally saying just what it is. There's way more artists than yesteryear. That's part of it. And I work with a lot of artists. And what I'm telling you is, I don't see

— [106:38.520 --> 106:48.620] people Coming in the room trying to be great. Yes, that's what I'm saying Because your initial your initial priority

— [106:48.840 --> 106:56.940] is to be rich. Yes. But that wasn't always the case. That's not yesteryear, but now you're saying that these labels are not developing the artists, they not

— [106:56.940 --> 107:05.140] even giving a fuck about the artists. So it's like, yo, either you hit now, or we gonna dump you. So now as an artist you coming out trying to get a hit,

— [107:05.140 --> 107:13.300] trying to get a hit, trying to get a hit cause that says longevity. If I'm not gonna give you no hits and you gonna dump me, you're not gonna develop me, then they up against what? I

— [107:13.300 --> 107:21.780] think today A lot of the recording artists, well the newer ones, recognize that life expectancy of an artist.

— [107:22.060 --> 107:30.180] They treat it differently than we did. Because it was like a dollar in a dream coming up. And now it's like, yo, I deal, let me get a quick slap, let me get

— [107:30.180 --> 107:38.620] in, get out, get my show money, and be the only 1 who wanna be here for about 2 years. No, they treating music like a stepping stone till the next, like yo, once I get on, I

— [107:38.620 --> 107:47.160] get this going, I get my brand going, I get this, and I'm outta here. I retired from music once I realized the fight over music wouldn't involve musicians. True.

— [107:47.160 --> 107:55.240] Yeah. It's not about, when I realized that, when I realized that the people at the top are the people in control it's like I don't want to do this shit no more because they

— [107:55.240 --> 108:03.640] don't know what they're doing and we're seeing it suffer. Nobody let me tell you something when when you work at LA Reed I remember LA told Travis

— [108:03.780 --> 108:11.820] I did Mariah. That's all he said, like, this is the same level he did Mariah. Just to let you know. Like,

— [108:11.820 --> 108:20.120] that's the level of me that I expect you to be at. So like, those little things in the room, I remember I had an artist and he was like, yo, I signed Frank Ocean that

— [108:20.400 --> 108:28.400] When you in a room you like it's kind of letting you know, this is what your father a little man Yeah, okay how hard you are in Kansas

— [108:28.400 --> 108:36.640] City Nigga, we've done this before even know about your little viral quip. Whatever you got going on on the internet, he wouldn't know.

— [108:36.700 --> 108:44.760] You can come in his office when there's a record that will take off. And we've seen organic success. We've seen what this really looks like when it's not manipulated, when it's not pushed by

— [108:44.760 --> 108:52.800] some bullshit. So I'm not impressed by your 20 million joints that you got on YouTube. You're trending. I don't care. Yeah, but under that, you're also

— [108:52.800 --> 109:00.840] smart enough to know that, nigga, it could be, we could be on the corner singing a great song and 2 niggas could be across the street fighting. Nobody's paying attention

— [109:00.840 --> 109:08.920] to us singing right now. That's a fact. While niggas just fighting. We just know the world we live in. That's why you gotta do both. Yeah, that shit definitely. You gotta fight and sing. Yo, man. It's a

— [109:08.920 --> 109:16.940] good 1. It's a good question. That's funny. I just thought of LA Reid on Tankin' Them's podcast, and he was talking about

— [109:17.780 --> 109:25.980] maybe regretting selling LaFace as early as he did. I was like, God damn. Do we have any idea what LA Reid sold

— [109:25.980 --> 109:34.180] LaFace for back then? Oh my God, I'd be sick. That was a long time ago. That was in 2002, 2003.

— [109:34.180 --> 109:42.780] Hey dawg, that was a lot of money. Niggas is just selling their labels today for $300 and $400 million. They had Tony right? To

— [109:42.780 --> 109:50.920] now. And I'm being honest with you, he told me, he said that was the worst move. He said I was so busy playing the game cuz everybody's like now It's time to sell and be the

— [109:50.920 --> 109:58.980] big man. He said the whole time. I was playing a game I didn't realize I was setting myself up to be fired Nobody can fire me from the face. They're telling me

— [109:58.980 --> 110:07.100] sell the face and go take so you shouldn't go take a job So he didn't realize I can get fired from Arista. I can get fired. Because a year in, they fired me. Now I'm trying

— [110:07.100 --> 110:15.340] to figure it out. Now I'm selling my shit. And that damn by the way, they got my shit. Then came the Def Jam, railroaded me. They got my shit. I got you right.

— [110:15.340 --> 110:23.720] I remember you getting it. He was mad. That's crazy. But Any rapper would be mad. You go from this fucking New York

— [110:23.760 --> 110:32.020] hip hop boutique powerhouse, and now you bringing in the Atlanta R&B. This guy

— [110:32.020 --> 110:40.300] knows R&B. Remember DMXN when he met LA for the first time? He said the nigga aura was sitting next to him. It was orange. The

— [110:40.300 --> 110:48.380] nigga had an orange aura sitting behind him. I'm like, nigga, I'm looking at the nigga aura. It's like, yeah. I got LA Reid went over there and

— [110:48.380 --> 110:56.600] that nigga was minding his business. But I got to give to LA Reid, boy, he took care of every Atlanta nigga that he laid eyes on. But when he got over there, I couldn't get a meeting

— [110:56.600 --> 111:04.700] at all. And then I finally had to work, it was a few months, got a meeting, he was going to listen to some songs, see who he was gonna drop, see who he was gonna keep. We got

— [111:04.700 --> 111:12.820] our meeting, I went in there, played the hardest, I played some of the hardest mixtape shit in the world. And they got like

— [111:13.000 --> 111:21.040] real. Now every time I close my eyes. He be

— [111:21.040 --> 111:29.280] like, Ray, this nigga playing me shit, I don't know what the fuck to say. He told me, he said, yo, I'm sitting in the room, outcast first, I went platinum.

— [111:29.280 --> 111:37.440] So I like Rico. They bring me goody mob. He says, Ray, they play me the whole goody mob album. He said, there's 4 niggas in there, they're streaming, they're jumping. He said, I didn't

— [111:37.440 --> 111:45.700] understand 1 fucking word. I just said yes because it worked Really was an arm Jam

— [111:45.860 --> 111:53.860] Every rapper was mad at LA Reid. Like how do y'all bring this Atlanta nigga in here? What did he say to you when you played it? What did

— [111:53.860 --> 112:02.480] he say to you when you played it? I was good at dropped. I was dropped. That was the meeting that I was getting dropped. You were like, cool, cool, cool. Rihanna

— [112:02.480 --> 112:10.520] was over there. He played some A-team. He played some A-team. I don't want to live no more

— [112:10.540 --> 112:18.620] since I'm not here deaf knocking at my front door. LA Reid didn't understand my depression, my mental

— [112:18.620 --> 112:26.960] health songs. It's the real people out there, it's the real people cooking up with the 9. Yeah, he was like,

— [112:27.000 --> 112:35.220] yo dog, thank you for your time here. Thank you for your time here. You have to go. But oddly

— [112:35.220 --> 112:43.380] enough though, the... Joe Pony is pumping that 1 up. I think it's how I knew I was getting dropped on the beat. The only song he ever

— [112:44.000 --> 112:52.020] complimented me on And not even to my face was fucking, he just happened to be walking through the halls. And

— [112:52.020 --> 113:00.180] maybe Webb or Skeen or somebody had stunting on blast in there. It was like. Pornos all right. Why this record ain't quiet? Yo. I

— [113:00.180 --> 113:08.200] Don't know what's going on here Recording plugged

— [113:08.200 --> 113:20.680] in Joe it's over you broke it already We try to play What's

— [113:20.680 --> 113:28.900] on Underwater effect What's the deal with? How the fuck? Damn, my nigga. Damn, it's at me and my power. What song was it? Yeah, I can play it for you. Yeah, but I was playing it. He wanted to play his shit. He wanted to play his shit, nigga. I want to play my shit with the underwater effect to make it sound

— [113:28.900 --> 113:37.020] like what it sound like when you walking by. Like, Because he didn't even really hear the whole song. He just heard what it sound like

— [113:37.020 --> 113:45.300] speed walking through all the way. Fucking LA Reid, man. I love you, LA. $150 million.

— [113:45.560 --> 113:53.560] Yeah, all right. In 02. If he would have held that Because who could see the future might be

— [113:53.560 --> 114:01.620] worth 1000000000 though cuz you got us show over there might You know my god Tony my there's no bite no Billy Whoever he

— [114:01.620 --> 114:09.740] might have acquired in the last 20 years. Outkast, TLC, and Usher alone. That's it, yeah. Outkast, TLC, Usher, Tony Braxton. Tony

— [114:09.740 --> 114:17.760] Braxton. Oh, shit, Tony Braxton. That's it, that's 1000000000 dollar catalog. Pink. They did sound pink. Oh, shit. That's right.

— [114:19.040 --> 114:27.880] All right. It's just like a pill. Yes. What? Oh, shit, I forgot that. She said, L.A. Told me you'll be a pop star right

— [114:29.520 --> 114:43.780] Some R&B shit Yeah Yeah,

— [114:43.780 --> 114:51.780] niggas want to pop For real let me see a picture of Curren Pink. Niggas with Popper today? I just saw her on the view looking like a straight white woman.

— [114:51.780 --> 114:59.920] Yeah, nah, you don't want pink today. I wanna see what pink, let me see what that pink look like today, man. I might. Yo. I love pink, bro. Look at nigga, I look around, right? Yeah, make sure

— [114:59.920 --> 115:08.160] my girl, My girl just be walking around. I think I look around real quick. This nigga here bro.

— [115:08.300 --> 115:16.300] Oh no, it's your fuck being for sure. I wasn't even going to ask him that. Without a question, I'm just saying she just don't look as good today as she did when she was.

— [115:16.300 --> 115:30.540] She look like she or the same team you want Course

— [115:30.540 --> 115:39.880] is you like Gordon Ramsay That's fucked up for it. She don't like Gordon Ramsay. Yo Yo,

— [115:39.960 --> 115:48.000] this is the smoke a boots She's bigger corset, she's like Gordon Ramsay. Yo. That's fucked up, Tord. She don't look like Gordon Ramsay, yo. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Niggas are still, let me see, niggas are still, niggas are still smoking boots, let me see. She's like a wrestler, I thought she was a wrestler. Nah, nah, nah. Yeah, I'm

— [115:48.000 --> 115:56.220] cool. Yeah, I'm cool. I'm good. Don't lie. If you... What I lie? You'll take a chance though, because you'll see if your talk game is smooth, like, I

— [115:56.220 --> 116:04.240] talk her back into that, right? Yeah. It should shoot that club up, boy. Yeah. It should shoot that club up. The whole club. Yeah,

— [116:04.240 --> 116:12.260] no, he ain't pulling out a pack. That's my bag. Huh? That's my bag. Shooting the club up. Yeah. First night. First night, too. What, you got 2

— [116:12.260 --> 116:22.760] kids? You know that. I'm 40. Yeah, why you think it seem like you don't do that? Yo, I'm my first kid at 40. I ain't walk on in my whole life. I got 2 kids we got some of these Why

— [116:22.760 --> 116:35.380] you keep trying to be different People

— [116:35.380 --> 116:43.600] how we do it keep it real is better to reach you did it. How many shots you took? Oh. I don't know what that means. What do you mean? What you say, penicillin shots?

— [116:43.670 --> 116:51.740] Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. You tried to say you hit that. Let him burn. Let him burn. Let him burn. He's

— [116:51.740 --> 117:00.060] in the clinic, yo. I know that trick, too. You got to A-O-E. You got to go to the clinic either mad early or late. Oh

— [117:00.060 --> 117:08.140] They're about to close. Are y'all about to close? Urgent care. Ladies and gentlemen. Are y'all about to close? Perfect. Yeah. Nobody in there.

— [117:08.140 --> 117:17.640] You go mid-afternoon, ooh, everybody in there like, oh. You got a tube? Yeah. What you got? I

— [117:17.640 --> 117:25.880] got tetroxiles. What? Monolufiosis. Here you go, Trev. You ever try to bag a baddie at the clinic receptionist?

— [117:26.680 --> 117:34.790] You ever tried to bag a nurse? You definitely tried to bag the clinic receptionist. The girl at the front. They'd be mad. You tried to bag a

— [117:34.790 --> 117:43.180] girl in the clinic? You never seen a five-year-old in the clinic? What y'all trading, recipes? Yeah, fuck it, we both here. You trying to bag a Bernie?

— [117:44.160 --> 117:52.260] What you in here for? You 3 alarm and 4 alarm. What the fuck is you talking about? Yo, that's sick. How high? I don't think that's

— [117:52.260 --> 118:00.320] so sick. Nigga, anybody in Jersey City, anyway, you go to that horizon on Bergen and you, whatever that is, Bergen it. They was in there in the morning. Go there in the morning. Niggas was purposely

— [118:00.320 --> 118:23.160] going in the morning. Niggas would go to clean just for free condoms Burning bitches was heat don't

— [118:23.160 --> 118:31.460] meet a woman in the bank. Don't meet a woman at the doctor's office and don't fuck with nobody that handles legal work. Those are the 3 places I don't give a fuck if she's... Why not? Nigga,

— [118:31.460 --> 118:39.800] you just said it. You want to talk to a bank teller? You want me to go to the bank? She knows how much you have in the account, my nigga. Oh, that's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact. Yeah.

— [118:40.780 --> 118:48.860] Sometimes. No, I've seen the fire. I've seen the fire. He says sometimes my health is, sometimes my health is. I don't know what you got in there,

— [118:48.860 --> 118:57.080] bro. You know, yo. He is Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Depending on what you got in there, Mo. You know, yo. There's nothing wrong with you. Depending on what you got in there, Mo. I see some good-looking bank tellers, boy. Fargo hires nothing but fire in New Jersey.

— [118:57.320 --> 119:06.420] But depending on... No, he in Wells Fargo. He got a Chinese bank too. He took me out and he said, yo,

— [119:06.420 --> 119:14.500] what the fuck? It's some type of situation. It's a money laundering shit. I can't believe it. I can't

— [119:14.500 --> 119:22.520] talk about love style, man. This nigga's so stupid. He caught your bank and he doesn't speak English. He was speaking it? I don't know what he was doing. He read the nigga.

— [119:23.180 --> 119:31.240] I'm going to the bank real quick. Chinese, nigga. I sat in the... This nigga's so stupid, yo. He's up to some shit, yo. I

— [119:31.240 --> 119:39.360] believe you, too. I don't put nothing bad in a nigga. This nigga's so stupid. You don't want to know how much of your account you can't hide it, though. Let me ask you a question, Ray. What

— [119:39.360 --> 119:47.780] occupation you think? Has the most intimidating woman like what would you say the most intimate? What would If you get intimidated by a woman or... What

— [119:47.780 --> 119:56.080] does her occupation have to do with you? The Crips. Pre-birth. Like a lawyer? No, I have lawyers. What did you say? The Crips. They said the Crips.

— [119:56.080 --> 120:04.120] They ain't intimidated by the Crips, bro. Them bitches are trash. I'm scared of them bitches. Nah, I'm scared of them bitches. They talk shit. I'm scared of all them bitches.

— [120:04.120 --> 120:12.120] Let me talk about 9 to 5 of them. You back down for Police. I'll be honest with you. I think entertainment blasts can get anything we

— [120:12.120 --> 120:20.260] want. Yeah, I'm scared of the police though. Really? Entertainment blasts can have anything we want. Why? Why I'm scared of the police. Yeah dating a police chick like you're fine. Yes

— [120:22.180 --> 120:31.540] Different they're not aggressive. They know they be they could pull Not if you do right by

— [120:34.300 --> 120:44.080] If you don't take advantage of Wow

— [120:44.080 --> 120:55.520] shit your man talking but listen and cat Listen and cap Yo,

— [120:55.520 --> 121:03.920] I fuck with 1 cop she ain't even not up but I've heard stories of my niggas fucking with the police, the police chicks be doing wild shit. Niggas

— [121:03.920 --> 121:12.040] be out, niggas I know they get the police chicks to do a lot of... They be... They can kill you and get away with it. I dated a chick whose dad

— [121:12.040 --> 121:20.380] was police and she ran my whole shit. Yeah. I dated a chick whose police and she did definitely grand shit. Yo the funny shit is all these dudes

— [121:20.380 --> 121:28.440] acting like they cold stone criminals. No facts. My shit was clean. What'd she find? No no no no. I'm talking about yo they start all

— [121:28.440 --> 121:36.480] your personal shit. No I'm saying Joe imagine you on a date with a bitch late night. And the bitch come in. And the bitch pull you over. You're like, oh, the police chick, don't worry about it. And it's your girl.

— [121:36.600 --> 121:44.620] Yo. Fuck I'm supposed to do? Yeah. Well, if it's your girl, you shouldn't be out on a date with another girl to be in that position. Whether or not. That's my point. Because she knows your license plate

— [121:44.620 --> 121:53.300] number. She know all your shit by heart. I'm good. I'm good. I'm with you. I'm good. I want no problem with that. I seen some niggas change

— [121:53.300 --> 122:01.400] the police chick to do shit for them. That's a fact. I know. I seen that. But when you fuck up. She on your ass, B. Didn't the other,

— [122:01.420 --> 122:09.620] she on your ass. Did you see your chick made the nigga escape from jail? No, there was a chick in the Heights that just got locked

— [122:09.620 --> 122:19.620] up recently like sometime last year She was dating a nigga. I know 2 chicks from North that she got she got she got indicted no Yeah.

— [122:19.620 --> 122:27.780] You know all the bad easy. Clean the streets. Yeah, I went in the clean streets. Get these criminals off the streets. Yeah, the streets. Get the criminals off the streets. The streets feel safer already. Yo,

— [122:27.780 --> 122:37.120] it's the title of a woman that could intimidate you? Jibaz? No. Yeah. No. Karate. Prostitute. And

— [122:37.120 --> 122:45.500] no. Right now. Rapper or singer? Really? Damn right. You said what? Rapper or singer. He wouldn't date a rapper or singer?

— [122:45.640 --> 122:53.700] No. Why? He ain't getting in the booth, putting all my business out there. Nah, I'm cool. You're not making a hit off this nigga. How you gonna say that when 1 of your first crushes was

— [122:53.700 --> 123:02.020] a rapper? That's a fact. You remember? You know who he talking about? I don't know who he talking about.

— [123:02.020 --> 123:10.140] Little skinny joint. Mariah Na'Kerry. Nigga, you know. Oh, that's right. Mariah Na'Kerry, boy. She wasn't a rapper then. But what she? She

— [123:10.140 --> 123:18.140] wasn't a rapper. She was a hoe. And da da da da da da. Yeah, she had a song. Da da da da da da da. Yeah, nigga, she was a rapper. She was a rapper. She had

— [123:18.140 --> 123:26.140] a record. I don't care, I wasn't with her. You would have been. Like I said, rapper or singer. They could say they're going to make a hit off you. Yeah. Nah,

— [123:26.140 --> 123:34.280] I'm cool. Teenie meat. It wouldn't be that. Sometimes a hit could make you look real good. That's a chance

— [123:34.280 --> 123:42.440] I'm not willing to take. I don't know what I was watching recently where Miss B came on with the, what you know about me, what you know about

— [123:42.440 --> 123:50.780] me, with the lip gloss shit. Miss B? Miss Bianca? Bianca. I thought her name was miss B when she did that but that was young be young be young be

— [123:58.780 --> 124:07.980] Y'all know I just seen that video Bianca miss be It's

— [124:07.980 --> 124:16.120] chicken with a suit What you know about me is Lil Mama. Nah, no way. What are you talking about? No way. Hold up, let me see. My lip gloss is popping,

— [124:16.120 --> 124:24.560] my lip gloss is cold. That's Lil Mama, bro. Holy shit. It's the beach. Yeah, kind of saying.

— [124:25.160 --> 124:33.480] I just saw Bianca perform with the Pelé jacket. Yeah. And the girl that do that viral dance. Yeah,

— [124:33.480 --> 124:43.400] if I would have known all these years that Lil Mama made lip gloss, I would have repped a little harder for Lil Mama. What was your dead stage shit? Nah.

— [124:46.100 --> 124:54.300] She deserved to be right there. I don't know. I don't know what I was watching, but when that song came on watching it and the video

— [124:54.300 --> 125:02.360] watching it now as an adult, I had so much more respect for it because it's all these kids in the video dancing before Tiktok started

— [125:02.360 --> 125:10.440] dancing, fire hydrants and all that shit. And the song is really geared towards kids. I just heard that recently. Like a song about what? I think it was in DTF

— [125:10.440 --> 125:18.820] or something. Cause I just heard that shit recently too. That's what made him think about it. Yeah, I was, some way I don't remember where I've seen that song but that's just hard that

— [125:18.820 --> 125:26.820] beat and yeah no I know

— [125:26.820 --> 125:34.840] but a DTF is down the fuck I know like they played it in that no in a TV show TV show yeah and I think they did. That's crazy. Anyway, shout out to Lil

— [125:34.840 --> 125:45.180] Mama. I'm like, white people is crying. So this is Lil Mama. She's right in there, right in there. Lil Mama's talented, though. She don't get no love. If she don't get the love, she should get it. Lil Mama's talented. She

— [125:45.180 --> 125:53.640] is. I had a bum rush that stage too. I hope she had the Roots pigment. Hip hop has a lot of making. I mean she doing movies now. Yeah. She's doing movies. She just

— [125:53.800 --> 126:02.020] did the story about Dev Atney. Don't do that. I'm at. Yeah. Go to her page. I'm no. I fuck with Lil Mama. She

— [126:02.020 --> 126:10.320] just did Dev Atney life story. Know why it's tricky up here, you could stay a name and be wanting to big somebody up and by the end of it. It'll

— [126:10.320 --> 126:20.840] be it'll be a whole I'm

— [126:20.840 --> 126:28.900] done. Actually the beats on a couple of them songs that was for kids was hard. That fucking whip your head beat was hard. What? That was hard.

— [126:28.900 --> 126:36.900] That was hard. That whip your head back and forth beat was crazy. I couldn't get my hands on none of them beats. The lip gloss beat is hard. Why would you make a hit out of that today? Why would I

— [126:36.900 --> 126:44.960] what? What you would've did today? Let me hear that. What you would've did? Play the instrumental. Let me hear the instrumental. Let's get the instrumental. What you would've did. My hand back and forth instrumental, please. That beat is hard.

— [126:45.040 --> 126:53.160] You want me to put this in my cookies? Please. It's in there. It's in there. When you wet your hair, let it down. That's Willow.

— [126:53.800 --> 127:02.180] That's Willow. What would you have done to this?

— [127:02.180 --> 127:10.640] All right, you started with nothing. Nothing. I wouldn't have done nothing to that. I ain't falling for your shit. I'm just saying what you would have done to that. Yeah, Tore that beat to shreds. That beat is hard. Everybody in Def Jam wanted that beat. Really?

— [127:11.080 --> 127:19.200] We was hating on Willow. We was hating on Willow. Play a little more. This little nepo baby got

— [127:19.200 --> 127:27.320] this hard ass beat, you was going on tour and everything. That 1 record. And then left tour. She was opening up for Beyonce, right?

— [127:27.600 --> 127:35.680] She signed with J. She was opening up for Beyonce and then told them. Oh, what's your interest in this? I can hear some bars in this. I can hear some of this. Yeah,

— [127:35.680 --> 127:43.780] yeah, yeah. Okay. Give him a little bit. Give him a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. This is the best music. You're

— [127:43.780 --> 127:51.900] like a grass-roots rocker. I know. I know. Let's go. What you know about me, what you know? That beat is hard. That's another Grindin'

— [127:51.900 --> 128:00.720] Dock on. That was the day everyone was making Grindin' beats. Yeah. It is. I swear to this. Oh man, that's funny. The good old days. That Grindin' Beat

— [128:00.720 --> 128:08.900] went around the world, boy. I was like 16, saw that Grinded Beat. Grinded was crazy. Every lunchroom in America. Is that a classic, though? Yeah.

— [128:09.060 --> 128:17.440] Yeah. Yeah. Yo, in 2026, the classic conversation, not here because it's like music knowledgeable people, but

— [128:17.500 --> 128:25.600] watching it be had. And the shit that they having in the box. What did they say in the something different between timeless and classic okay I know you know the sub

— [128:25.600 --> 128:33.660] definitions and I saw a conversation who said that rob markman I don't know who the fuck said who said that Classic and masterpiece.

— [128:33.660 --> 128:43.540] I don't know the difference. I think Punch said that. What Punch? Punch got shit down sometimes too. That's my man. He probably right. But

— [128:43.540 --> 128:51.760] sit down. Punch just jump out and say some shit to piss people off. What's a masterpiece to you, Freeze? I think the masterpiece albums are the ones that are,

— [128:51.900 --> 129:00.280] it's like damn, give me an example. It speaks to the musicality, that's what we were talking about when we were talking about the classic. 808s and Heartbreaks. Isn't a masterpiece a singular thing? Like Joe has his masterpiece

— [129:00.280 --> 129:08.420] and Ice has his masterpiece. Not like your favorite to listen to, but like Joe the Rapper created his masterpiece in all of Loser, whatever you may say.

— [129:08.420 --> 129:16.740] I would say this, the reason why I say 808s and Heartbreaks is because the sound after that followed. Everybody has been 808s and Heartbreaks since it came out.

— [129:17.300 --> 129:25.380] Everybody has been there. That's why I'm saying that. Twisted Thedesee is the master piece of me because everybody's following. It's like, I'm trying to be that. Once he, once he, once Punch said that,

— [129:25.380 --> 129:34.380] I read it because I think I've been holding, well, I should tell y'all what a classic album meant to me. And I was describing a masterpiece album. Like

— [129:34.380 --> 129:42.380] the masterpiece is the game changer, the 1 that is, it transcends just regular music. It changes shit. Like Get Rich and Die Tryin' was a

— [129:42.380 --> 129:50.600] transcending masterpiece. It's like after that album, the sound of the rap changed from that point on. That's how I feel about Love Below. I think a masterpiece is an individual

— [129:50.620 --> 129:58.640] accomplishment. I made my masterwork, my masterpiece. I made my masterpiece. I don't think that we get to judge what a masterpiece is. I respect that. Somebody could look at

— [129:58.640 --> 130:06.820] a work of art and think that it's a masterpiece, even if somebody else did it. Like an actual portrait or an actual painting. I guess I just have a different hand concept of the word

— [130:07.500 --> 130:15.800] If you start talking about masterpiece in regards to music What's in that list? Besides

— [130:16.040 --> 130:30.600] secret garden Only gonna rap It's

— [130:30.600 --> 130:38.860] a classic album I don't I wouldn't put it I think I like Off the Wall better than Thriller. Me too. I think that's me. Now, that's an easy answer to do, yo. Especially when you know it's a disco album. Especially

— [130:38.860 --> 130:47.060] when you know the fact that that was a disco album and disco got killed in 1979 and that album Still came out and did what it did

— [130:48.940 --> 130:57.160] Records on there that you don't really listen to like that well Michael Jackson's right off the wall It's nigga sweet and Michael Jackson away for you to burn his disco out. You're not going

— [130:57.160 --> 131:05.860] to that like that. It's the fallen in love Cool, you like it. Yes, but and you might hear in there listen to girlfriend, but you know what? Just

— [131:05.860 --> 131:14.040] give you the 3 well Paul McCartney No, that's the 1 that he wrote, but he's not on it. Okay. No. Yeah, I listen to girlfriend We like those songs

— [131:18.000 --> 131:26.080] take 5 years to make an album. I can't do it well. 3 years to make an album. That ain't no money. That ain't no money, man. Kendrick can do

— [131:26.080 --> 131:34.140] it. Kendrick does it. He can do it. He can do it. I don't think that that happens with Kendrick anymore. I think

— [131:34.140 --> 131:42.140] a lot of that taking forever was a TDE thing. I'm agree with Ice. The way they do with all of their artists over there. His albums sound like you need to take your time. His albums don't sound

— [131:42.140 --> 131:50.380] like you get the fucking point. I'm agree with Ice. Look at TDE's roster and how they all drop music. It ain't not just Kendrick, anybody over there, they all take.

— [131:50.380 --> 131:58.440] And they all be complaining. And yeah, they want to put their album out and the label won't let them. Everybody has complaint. Like, yo, my album been done for 2 years, my album been

— [131:58.440 --> 132:06.680] done for this, can I get a date? Can I get this? And now that he's off that, bong, we get a GNX album. I don't think we wait that long before we get another Kendrick project.

— [132:07.060 --> 132:15.180] I think it's possible. You might be right. We'll see. Yeah, drop him a week after Drake. Ain't never

— [132:15.180 --> 132:23.660] end of it. Turn this shit back up right here. Yeah, ain't never handed it. You're stepping on work around here, nigga. Yeah, what? 27 to be lit. What? No, he's still on his ass. You won't leave me alone, bro. It's

— [132:23.860 --> 132:32.160] over. Fight's over. Just for shits and giggles, none of y'all want to hear,

— [132:32.160 --> 132:40.240] I think I asked y'all this. Let me get out of my head. Y'all don't wanna hear fuckin' Drake send no Kendrick shots on Iceman, right? I asked y'all about

— [132:40.240 --> 132:48.260] Kobe, I didn't ask y'all about Kendrick. Y'all don't wanna hear him say a peep about any of that, right? No, absolutely. I hope he doesn't. If he names the album Iceman and

— [132:48.260 --> 132:56.700] he doesn't, how is he Iceman? I don't know what Iceman refers to. It feels like a vengeful God, like Iceman is back. And you mean to tell me you gonna, Iceman,

— [132:56.740 --> 133:04.760] you ain't gonna hit the 1 nigga that hit you up? Ice pick, you ain't gonna hit him with the poker? You ain't gonna hit the Ice nigga, that's what Iceman for, you gonna hit the 1 nigga that killed you that made you the

— [133:04.760 --> 133:13.040] ice man What do you see? What do you say though? Like what like something? What can you say? I don't think you need to step back in those waters,

— [133:13.040 --> 133:21.240] and I really hope he don't just make some you know I'm just talking to you, but if he did it I wouldn't be sad bet you he does I said that about him I don't think he can't

— [133:21.240 --> 133:29.420] I don't think I don't think he got it in 2 weeks ago. He called bro So he broke that slow pussy 2 weeks ago. Like like

— [133:29.420 --> 133:37.560] this nigga is still mad digital Drake Across socials. I hate Pussy I hate it. I mean, but wouldn't you be

— [133:37.560 --> 133:45.640] mad, nigga? You gonna get some bars too, man. I'll be rich. I'll be rich. I'll bar back though. I won't be mad. You not gonna bar him back. Yeah, I ain't Ebro in academic,

— [133:45.640 --> 133:54.060] boy. I'll bar back. I'll bar back. What you do that? You mean bar back on here. Y'all said what I had to say, my G. You going to... I said that. I said that. My G,

— [133:54.140 --> 134:02.320] right? I said all I wanted to say. That's when you serious. You know what I mean. My G, right? Y'all said when I said my G. Y'all said all I'm going to say on the matter. And that 1 going behind the paywall too. Huh? And that 1 going behind the paywall

— [134:02.320 --> 134:10.740] too. Like a bitch. A drink tear? A drink tear? That's horrible. That is absolutely horrible. I wouldn't do that. No, not you. He going

— [134:15.520 --> 134:24.360] body it too. What? Remember that time nigga when all that shit came out nigga you push him out of paywall nigga? Oh my God. I

— [134:24.360 --> 134:32.460] hope that all of you artists out there, signed, independent, group, soloist, rap, R&B, I hope y'all turn it

— [134:32.460 --> 134:40.680] up for the summer. Please. So I think honestly, like I give, by the time I get to the, hey, what's Iceman,

— [134:40.680 --> 134:49.080] when's Iceman coming out, what I'm really trying to say is I hope that the rest of y'all turn it up for the summer. Like we ain't had a lit, turned up, song

— [134:49.080 --> 134:57.260] of the summer, songs of the summer, album of the summer. Who? We need a little turn, for March it's a little quiet. Yeah. Yeah.

— [134:57.260 --> 135:05.660] It's around time. We should have had a record release. We can get it. We can, I think we can get it from anybody? It's wide open right now. We can get it from anybody. Yeah, I don't, it's

— [135:05.660 --> 135:13.800] so unexpected now, like you said. Where do we get it from? That anybody that. Yeah. And the only thing you gotta do is be outside.

— [135:14.100 --> 135:22.350] Just be outside. If you outside as an artist, you gon' win. Actually, fucking Kaylani, I just saw announced her album. April. April 24th.

— [135:22.350 --> 135:30.520] April 24th. The album cover looks like the label made a shit ton of money from the single already so they doing everything that she

— [135:30.520 --> 135:38.560] says and you know Kaylani is gonna have something on there. Kaylani is gonna have something on there for the summer, for the girls, for the studs, for the gay girls. Did you watch a

— [135:38.560 --> 135:47.020] video to fold it? Did you like it? I haven't watched a video since Pump It Up, Rowling. I don't watch videos. I ain't watched a video since- You ain't watching either? Vivo.

— [135:47.080 --> 135:55.080] Vivo still alive? Vivo, yes, and when Vivo shut down, that was the end for me. I watch a lot of videos. Where? YouTube. That's why I watch

— [135:55.080 --> 136:03.100] everything. I just saw, Lior, and he might be, I know he's invested over there, he said that music videos is like an 8000000000 dollar a year business. So that's what

— [136:03.100 --> 136:11.140] made the Jack Harlow shit funnier after we did the part, because I went home and saw that he shot a video. Like the internet was

— [136:11.140 --> 136:19.140] showing the video and he picked the Neil Long looking 90s fine black girl while he was walking with her in that stupid

— [136:19.920 --> 136:28.460] Abercrombie and Fitch white boy outfit. Like, he just looked, it was bad. He looked like Con B, like not John B. Yeah.

— [136:28.540 --> 136:37.520] Hey, I got a question for you, Joe. What's up? You know what, Rick, Who would you say would be our version of Nsync that

— [136:37.520 --> 136:45.860] reached that plateau? What R&B group or what group that reached that plateau would be like our version of Nsync or Backstreet Boys? Well,

— [136:45.860 --> 136:54.300] I wouldn't say it, because those are 2 new edition knockoffs. Or Boys and Men is the only 1. That's what they say. Yeah. Boys and Men sold more records than all of them.

— [136:54.300 --> 137:02.520] No, they said the closest overall would be Boys and Men. I'm talking about all of the Black acts. Boys and Men sold more records than any new edition, Jodeci. They were

— [137:02.520 --> 137:10.560] bigger than everybody. See, that'd be the part of appropriation I hate from these groups like that. So wait, you said N'Sync and Backstreet Boys was what?

— [137:10.600 --> 137:18.600] They all came from... They all come from the Black Boy band. New Kids on the Block. New Edition came out and then, no, New Kids on the Block

— [137:18.600 --> 137:26.800] came after New Edition. They were all from Washington. So, same shit. They was like the neighborhood over. Same manager, I think. Yeah, same manager. Maurice Starr put them together.

— [137:26.800 --> 137:35.160] They did, they toured together. Like, they literally did a whole tour together. So, Maurice Starr literally went ahead and said, I'm just going to go ahead and create the white version. New Edition.

— [137:35.560 --> 137:43.780] New Edition. That's why it was called new kids on the block Yeah, so boys to men I mean I bought some of backstreet boys and sink to me is off

— [137:43.780 --> 137:51.800] that same tree both Lou Pearlman fucking creations just McDonald's and Burger King at this point, but The boys the men know

— [137:51.800 --> 138:00.100] them niggas appropriating like a motherfucker. They saw more records than everybody. It was bigger than everybody So mad, I missed the boys to men show at Barclays

— [138:01.420 --> 138:09.500] Michael came out Oh really And I was hoping that he was going to come out in Jersey but With that sound system?

— [138:11.600 --> 138:19.780] I know. And that stage and that everything? He's been coming out on spot dates because this is the first time he's been out. I don't think I'm going back to Prudential unless it's Dave Chappelle

— [138:19.780 --> 138:28.080] like a comedian. I don't want to hear music in Prudential no more. I'm done. I'm done. That's the second time I felt like it's been bad there sound-wise. But I also

— [138:28.080 --> 138:36.300] understand why this- Because if I'm at a show and it's bad sound and I'll start feeling like I can go home and listen to these records. Yeah, but Joe, understand that type of show where you have 10 live

— [138:36.300 --> 138:44.620] mics going at 1 time, even though they should have had some type of better system or something going. Yeah, you hire people. I know. That's what he does. Yeah,

— [138:44.620 --> 138:52.800] you hire people. That's not okay. And when 10 of the people that's on those mics can actually sing. Yeah. Hi somebody so we can hear their voice Uh-huh. Yeah, I'm

— [138:52.800 --> 139:00.880] with you. I get it It's a task, but I'm with you. Speaking of shows. You know, we might serve for a band That's different when you have

— [139:00.880 --> 139:09.000] to turn them off and on though. So if at 1 point there's 6 people on stage. Oh, you're telling Barks? Yeah, because I've toured. So I know what this takes to

— [139:09.000 --> 139:17.260] turn the mics off and on. I've run in front of house. Okay. It's not that hard. No, no, no, no. Easy to see when you look at me. He

— [139:17.260 --> 139:26.000] look closely. The library show of house for a tour of that magnitude. So let's not do that. Let's not diminish what I'm saying. So

— [139:26.000 --> 139:34.180] when you go ahead and you have at some point 10 live mics and you're trying to switch off and on, I'm not saying it's something that you can't actually manage, but

— [139:34.180 --> 139:42.360] it's not the easiest task to have at some point 10 live mics on everybody on stage and you're trying to switch 1 off and on and off and on as people are coming

— [139:42.360 --> 139:50.380] off and on the stage. It sounds like you missed. You know how many mics were live at the Pass the Mic thing over at? Ended them. Pass the Mic.

— [139:50.380 --> 139:58.440] Bang, bang. The Pass the Mic gave Radio City. The difference is, the difference is, the Pass the Mic is once you're offstage, you don't come back on. You have people that's coming off and on. So that

— [139:58.440 --> 140:06.720] means you have to turn their mic off, let them go backstage and turn it back on. I see you just like to argue. It's not that complicated. I've done this as a career. I'm not saying it's that complicated, but I'm saying to you, it's not the easiest

— [140:06.720 --> 140:14.801] thing to do. When you have artists in back and forth. When somebody's getting extorted. And you see it on it. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm

— [140:14.801 --> 140:23.080] going to take a 50 cent show on it. This nigga Eve won't stop eating. The funny

— [140:23.080 --> 140:31.140] shit, he shouldn't be able to even say that to a nigga that done stacked 20 million harmonies for him. Like, just shut up. That's not

— [140:31.140 --> 140:39.600] the same. So what? Now you're not, now you're not, no I'm saying now you're not getting Harmony Stacked no more, nigga. That's it. I wasn't saying it was the same.

— [140:39.640 --> 140:47.940] 12 lines, 12 lines. 12 tracks and that's it. Yeah, that's it, god damn it. Oh man, alright so what tea, What Atlanta tea can you give me?

— [140:48.060 --> 140:56.180] Mmm. Damn. I know you said y'all be holding it down and y'all secret beef and the up north niggas don't know, but you are from New York.

— [140:57.040 --> 141:05.280] We kinda close to New York. Man, can I get, what happened with Roscoe, man? Roscoe, for me, was 1 of y'all shining artists. He was

— [141:05.280 --> 141:13.740] a writer. He had his own records. All right, skip my question. Roscco, that? He's a part of Atlanta. He's a man boy, right? I saw his interview.

— [141:14.480 --> 141:22.960] That's why you good, you good. Take me right there. I'm working. I saw his interview, man. Saw his interview. Niggas sold

— [141:23.940 --> 141:32.004] his rights and all that shit. What the fuck? That was, what's that nigga name that was down with him? Boom Man. Boom Man. We talked about that. You talked

— [141:32.004 --> 141:40.160] about that? That nigga did that nigga dirty. He signed that nigga at 18. What he signed? What he took from him again? Nah, he took... So in the business... Let me just tell

— [141:40.160 --> 141:48.260] everybody at home. Why I feel like a certain degree, Atlanta... Because I know Atlanta get... When the artist is that artist, y'all get behind that

— [141:48.260 --> 141:56.820] artist. Why I feel like at a certain point, y'all stop getting behind him. Because he was, it was a whole lot of bullshit. It's

— [141:56.820 --> 142:04.920] a lot of bullshit. So what's the first question we ask? Roscoe Lyon? No, Roscoe not Lyon, but. And he wanted to shoot a video They say this let me say this hold

— [142:04.920 --> 142:13.460] it to another company You if you are if somebody wants a percentage of you you can give them a percentage I can be a business and give Joe 5% everybody here 5% Mm-hmm

— [142:13.620 --> 142:21.820] admin rice is the key He sold his ad. So Now here's why admin rights are important. Because if I give everybody here 5% of me, that means

— [142:21.820 --> 142:30.300] y'all all have a right to go find a company to count the money on behalf of Ray. So like y'all have rights to your admin work. But if I was the admin,

— [142:30.480 --> 142:38.560] That means that I pay y'all according to what comes in. Y'all can't go get an advance. So the problem with Roscoe is that his rights that he needs

— [142:38.560 --> 142:46.620] to go make money, someone else has. Yes. So that means that he can sell you, you can't sell yourself, because he has the rights to you, you don't have the rights to him. Okay,

— [142:46.620 --> 142:54.820] now, hold on, Boo Man put that in the contract when Roscoe was 18. Do you think that was fair to Roscoe? I think contracts are predatory, period.

— [142:54.820 --> 143:03.120] I don't think that nobody should sign a contract at 18 that they should be held to when they're 50. Yeah. I just think that as predatory, I

— [143:03.120 --> 143:11.120] think that you should not hold someone into a kind like I got plenty of artists and I don't care about that paperwork shit Whatever it is, whatever you want to do

— [143:11.120 --> 143:19.500] go because 1 thing I'll say for boom man, but that's cuz you right though No, no, no, that's not why I'm gonna say 1 thing I'm gonna say from boo man is that you don't know what's in your paperwork

— [143:20.480 --> 143:28.580] Like I could be a businessman in the but my lawyer knows more about my business and I do he knows about He ends and out so he knows my business more than I do

— [143:28.580 --> 143:36.800] so when you're looking at someone like a boo man who's like he said I don't know I don't know he's he probably don't know cuz The

— [143:36.800 --> 143:44.980] lawyer that did the deal he probably talked to that lawyer in 15 years. I don't really know what's in the contract to say what's in it, so he don't know that he sold him.

— [143:45.540 --> 143:53.880] So he sold him, once he sold him, he couldn't sell himself. It's like you can't sell a car. It's kind of what we see when when when when the niggas is all the podcast

— [143:53.940 --> 144:02.100] Niggas is now going to Netflix. Yes, they don't control themselves So whoever owns them can put them from Netflix over here to Paramount to go over the HBR

— [144:02.520 --> 144:10.560] So like when Jess Hilarious is complaining, like we don't see it, she has no say. You are a talent. You are not the person that controls the rights

— [144:10.560 --> 144:18.740] of this. So what happens in the business with Roscoe is he sold his rights to Bullman at 18 because Bullman promised him something.

— [144:18.740 --> 144:26.820] But I think that that's the problem with the business. I think contracts should be re-evaluated every 5 to 7 years. I just think it's a fair thing to do. I know so

— [144:26.820 --> 144:34.960] many people that's in bad contracts that they signed when they was in terrible situations. It's like, why is he stuck in there? He signed a contract because there's a word

— [144:34.960 --> 144:43.160] in a business that I would tell everybody to avoid it's called perpetuity Get a lawyer to look over the contract though. Yeah,

— [144:43.160 --> 144:51.340] but but you gotta I'm glad you brought that up Let me just tell you something Lawyers are just like every motherfucking body in this room. Some have

— [144:51.340 --> 144:59.460] experience, some don't. Just because some need money, some don't. A lawyer would rather me do a deal for 5000000

— [144:59.720 --> 145:08.200] with 20% on the back end because he gets 5% of that 5 million. Then he would do a deal for 1 million and I get 80%

— [145:08.240 --> 145:16.420] of the back end. That lawyer is probably going to try to convince me to do the deal that puts more money in my pocket upfront because that puts more money in his pocket or

— [145:16.420 --> 145:24.580] her pocket upfront. So sometimes when we say a lawyer lawyer lawyer All lawyers are not created equal for sure like like all lawyers and I created equals

— [145:24.580 --> 145:32.780] So and not only that if you a kid This is an I know so much but these lawyers make money with the same motherfucking people You

— [145:32.780 --> 145:41.080] really think I've been in the business 25 years as a lawyer. I'm closing deals with Def Jam lawyer, Republic lawyer, and I just met you. Don't

— [145:41.080 --> 145:49.400] get me wrong, I'm gonna fight them for you, but I'm not gonna ruin my relationship with them for you. Can I say, Ray, I had an experience 18

— [145:50.160 --> 145:58.240] where someone's trying to sign me to a production situation and they're sending me to a lawyer? I had no clue that the lawyer actually represented

— [145:58.620 --> 146:06.660] them, which I had no clue was a kind of interest at that point. Like, People just don't understand certain things in a business you'll feel like, oh, cause I got a lawyer talking for,

— [146:06.660 --> 146:14.840] no, that motherfucker's still talking for himself and they still lined up with, they'd rather do long-term business with that label than have to go ahead and go with

— [146:14.840 --> 146:23.560] their ethics and do right for me. So fuck off. How are all these lawyers making so much money? How do they have, they're getting paid by the labels. That's

— [146:23.560 --> 146:31.689] how they make their money. So, they're gonna sell you. I did a deal with a lawyer. I'm not gonna put the lawyer out there. I figured it out. I did a deal in 2012. Deal. I

— [146:31.689 --> 146:39.880] ain't gonna say a name. But the lawyer basically- Can't wait to kick it back. But the dude who put me in the deal was somebody who the lawyer knew. So now

— [146:39.880 --> 146:48.740] I'm doing a deal and I'm like, and the lawyer's like, you gotta take care of him. I'm like, no, I'm not. He didn't do shit. He fucked me up. She was like, you're gonna take care of him. It

— [146:48.740 --> 146:56.820] was like, oh, 0, y'all friends. And we kind of find out they were best friends. My lawyer and this person. So you think that lawyer's

— [146:56.820 --> 147:04.920] not gonna sit in the room and stick up for their friends? Like lawyers are human just like everybody else. They just understand the law and how to use it when it's time. I've just seen a clip

— [147:04.920 --> 147:13.480] of Alex Cooper, my bad clip of Alex Cooper, according to her daddy. She was on the podcast and she was saying how when

— [147:13.480 --> 147:21.540] her agency, I want to say it was UTA, when she signed her big deal, that UTA was like, she said, how's this money gonna

— [147:21.540 --> 147:29.620] work? And she said, well, UTA was like, we're gonna take the money. I saw it, and she said, no we not. And we're gonna take our 5% and then

— [147:29.620 --> 147:37.680] give you the rest of it. And she was like, she had to learn that if UTA takes all this money, then this is the money that accounts on their books.

— [147:37.680 --> 147:46.560] And she was like, no, I'm going to take my money. I'll pay you 5%. She went on to say she'll never let her lawyer and her agency know

— [147:46.560 --> 147:54.560] each other because there's a game behind the games and played where all of them know each other So you're the 1 getting fucked because

— [147:54.560 --> 148:02.780] you're that they're all doing business Outside of you behind your back when you don't know so nobody needs to know each other is all of that But the shit that she said

— [148:02.780 --> 148:10.800] with the, cause I saw the interview, the shit that she said when she was like, yo, like let's say it's 100000000 dollars and they take the hundred million dollars,

— [148:10.840 --> 148:19.620] that hundred million dollars now wants hits their spreadsheet and hits their income sheet and then they kick it out. I didn't understand why

— [148:19.620 --> 148:28.160] that would be detrimental to her. I wouldn't let them take my money. Even when Hovain was like, yo, when we was fucking with Hovain, rest in peace, he was like, yo, we

— [148:28.160 --> 148:36.160] could get the option of allowing a check to come to him and him disperse it or vice versa, right? But I didn't understand what the detriment

— [148:36.220 --> 148:44.240] would have been if they did that outside of control. Can you explain that or no? I took it as the books. That's what I thought. I

— [148:44.240 --> 148:52.380] took it as like, y'all not gonna say y'all gross. Yeah, xyz Even though 95% of it is mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 5% is yours. But what did that do? Just make them look

— [148:52.380 --> 149:00.520] better as an agency? Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. But I'll be honest with you though. Yeah, make them look way better as an agency. In our business, people like that are the best people. Like those are the people, they say, hey look, she's

— [149:00.520 --> 149:08.640] coming in her room, she's smart, she knows everything, be on point. They do that for the smart magic, for the smart artists. If it's a dumb artist, they be like, oh,

— [149:08.640 --> 149:16.680] you can talk around him, but if it's smart, they be like, that guy's Parks, he works with Joe, he knows a lot, don't talk too much. They'll warn you how to

— [149:16.680 --> 149:24.760] do it. Just to make their agency look like they had way more revenue and they represented way more than it got it makes it okay Cuz I would have thought the tax rent why the tax

— [149:24.760 --> 149:32.960] verification is gonna be the same regardless Yeah, but I think it's just for that just for them to be GDP if that's where we had we had Gross

— [149:32.960 --> 149:41.040] makes you probably wanna add you to it don't have me Well, yeah, what should be like 60 80 hunted some some crazy not anyone? No, no, I

— [149:41.040 --> 149:50.060] count my shit. I'm fine. You're 5 years 150 Who is this? Podcasts

— [149:50.140 --> 149:58.220] oh, yeah So how do, is there any way for,

— [149:59.000 --> 150:07.220] let's say, Roscoe or somebody to fix the situation that he was in. Or what's up? Let me tell you something. If there's problem in the music business, I swear to God, bro,

— [150:07.220 --> 150:15.380] it's because 2 lawyers told 2 people, don't talk to each other. And me and Joe got problems. He go to his lawyer, I go to my lawyer, our lawyer's

— [150:15.380 --> 150:23.500] going to tell us, don't talk, So they can talk it out. Nigga, the easiest way to fix shit is for us to talk. It's just the lawyer, if the lawyer tells them to

— [150:23.500 --> 150:31.520] talk, then it's no need for them. So sometimes they insert themselves and then remove you. And I can keep charging you. Yeah, I keep building. Every

— [150:31.520 --> 150:39.520] 15 minutes, that perfect. Nigga just wants his rights back, boy. Yeah, but if he sat down with Boom or whoever has it, he could probably get it

— [150:39.520 --> 150:47.520] back. Niggas is fair in the business. It's just when you do bitch shit, like go online and start talking. It's like when they did the Freedia Locks. Puff was like, yo, y'all should've just called me.

— [150:47.620 --> 150:55.680] Now y'all gotta look it ugly like it's bad. So I just think that if he called them, they can work it out. The money is made already. That's what I

— [150:55.680 --> 151:03.740] would say. The money has been made. That record is already diamond. The money's already been disbursed. Yeah, we milked it, yeah we milked it. No hands? Yeah, no hands already, Diamond,

— [151:03.880 --> 151:12.120] you crazy? The money's made, give me shit back. That's when Puff gave all they shit back, that's why he gave it back, the money was made. I think the other reason Puff gave a lot of people

— [151:12.120 --> 151:20.140] they shit back too though. That's true too. Both. Hush. They can do shows, I don't know. Me can still do shows now, I mean.

— [151:20.140 --> 151:28.600] Still do shows? Just, you don't have no say if you wanted to administer it and try to get in the commercial or anything like that. You ain't seen a pump of them shit? That's

— [151:28.620 --> 151:36.660] all right. The Nick shit? That's all right. For the Nick's Warriors game. The promo they had going all week. Wanna hear something real funny? They hollered at you?

— [151:36.760 --> 151:45.240] Well yeah, I had to clear it. They ain't hollered at you to do it? What, to do what? What's your voice? The voiceover. But that's where the funny

— [151:45.260 --> 151:53.300] part comes in. My memory is bad. So I don't wanna get the line on nobody. They hollered at you and you said no with your dumb ass. Don't tell me

— [151:53.300 --> 152:01.520] that's what I hear. That's what I hear. No, I didn't say no to nothing. It's either 1 of 2 things. It's either A, when I cleared

— [152:01.520 --> 152:10.400] it, I did a promo drop, a voiceover drop, and I don't remember. Or they

— [152:10.400 --> 152:18.500] cleared pump it up and did the AI Joe Budden voice. It ain't sounding like you. It ain't

— [152:18.500 --> 152:26.720] sounding like you. The beginning it sounded like me, the middle it didn't sound like me at all, and in the end it sounded like me again. And I don't know if that was me. It wasn't

— [152:26.720 --> 152:34.770] you. No, it wasn't you. I don't think that was me. I don't think it was AI though, it sounded like a person. I don't think it was me. You didn't look me up in the studio and

— [152:34.770 --> 152:44.080] did it? Niggas ain't like your voice, the original shit? It sounded like a person. What would be the purpose for them just not using your shit? Well, they gotta pay you. Cheaper. Yeah.

— [152:44.080 --> 152:52.140] And that's what I don't like about the AI shit. So if we could clear the song and then, you know, and again, I don't know that that's what happened. And I'm appreciative for my little kibbles and

— [152:52.140 --> 153:00.180] bits that y'all gave me for the shit. I ain't gonna turn it down. 11 more years. They pee sneakers up? They pee show. They paid me, that's what you're asking. I mean, I ain't gonna call it. It was

— [153:00.180 --> 153:08.300] good pay? No. No, those payments are never good. No. Some sneaker money? Light, right? I mean, what kind of sneakers? The Freddy Krueger's The

— [153:08.300 --> 153:16.300] Freddy Krueger don'ts Freddy's Freddy Krueger don'ts. Okay. Yeah, which I can't find an 11 in anywhere Not that I would make that purchase while I'm saving while I'm saving. How much you

— [153:16.300 --> 153:24.440] want? I'll get them for you. How much you want? No, no, no, no, no, no. You know you can get them with the truck. You know you can get them with the truck. I'm cool. It's just

— [153:24.440 --> 153:32.620] no box. You know what I mean? We want them with the box. It's you, you haven't noticed in 20 years, I don't want nothing from you. Like you never asked about

— [153:32.620 --> 153:40.800] that. No, for real. I can't, if he get me the Freddy Krueger dunks, like I'm not trying this 1, how will I know that

— [153:40.800 --> 153:48.820] those are official tissue Freddy Krueger dunks? You think I'm gonna give you some fake shit? I'm saying He might not know. Yo, that's big in the sneaker world right now. Y'all

— [153:48.820 --> 153:57.180] think I'm trying to be funny. It is, it is. It is. It's mad fakes going around. Niggas is getting. A whole spot. That's a popular spot. They come up and shut that whole shit down. Big money.

— [153:57.200 --> 154:05.560] You get to paying 25, 30 grand for a pair of sneakers that they only made 400 of, but it's 1000 number running around like what you want me to do? Yeah do something

— [154:05.660 --> 154:13.980] about that. That's part of the reason I be on that Goat and some of the apps that will authenticate for you. They'll deal with that. Some of them got food. Nigga they got food too.

— [154:13.980 --> 154:22.020] They got food. Stock X got food. I don't want to knock nobody. What was the 1, the 1 that the Cleveland Cavaliers own? Stock X. Stock

— [154:22.020 --> 154:30.040] X. Stock X. They shit went down. And they was guaranteeing all they shit. They were selling bad sneakers. I saw that. Yeah. You got to take it to that black girl that be on TikTok, man. She just sit there all

— [154:30.040 --> 154:38.100] day, niggas walk up to her and just she start licking the bottom of souls or something I don't know what she do how she can tell they hate her but she know she know whether this shit is real or not

— [154:38.100 --> 154:46.100] like same with that watch nigga that nigga that spot you that nigga watch nigga see a picture of you holding your girl like this

— [154:46.100 --> 154:54.160] oh watch the nigga zoom in on your shit like spacing is off this is off they don't even make that that in red yo niggas falling out with their jewelers behind that. Like, yo, my jeweler sent that to me. That's the nigga that lit, what's her name, man?

— [154:54.160 --> 155:03.060] So, yeah, man. Who's my man? When he did that shit with Lil Baby. When

— [155:04.380 --> 155:12.380] he went to Icebox. Yeah, that's why Lil Baby lit him up. He apologized to Lil Baby and was like, I'm sorry, I didn't even know. And gave Baby 4 rings for free. I thought he gave

— [155:12.380 --> 155:20.640] him like $400, 000. He gave him something for free. Baby paid $400, 000 for the watch. And when Baby took the book, the nigga hit Baby. Wait, that was. Yes,

— [155:21.040 --> 155:29.120] that's what I mean. You was arguing that day. I was like, yo, but the nigga said, the nigga hit Baby on Instagram. It was like, yo.

— [155:29.120 --> 155:37.260] And let's write that down. Of course. Leave that name out. Yeah, you might wanna hear it. Fuck what they talking about. Yo, it's still good to

— [155:37.260 --> 155:45.500] see you. Fuck they talking about. But the nigga hit baby on a gram and was like, yo, I don't mean no disrespect, you know what I'm saying?

— [155:45.960 --> 155:54.380] Watches is what I do. Your watch that you got on, I don't know what you bought it for, I don't know what you, but that watch is not authentic. And he started giving them all the reasons.

— [155:54.380 --> 156:02.400] He said, yo, like, let's say on a Rolex, right? Oh, that was him that told him. Yes. Okay, I thought you were saying that was him that, all right, I got it. I'm

— [156:02.400 --> 156:10.440] sorry. I sold it to him. No, we still gotta bleep. Yeah, we still gotta bleep. Like on a Rolex, people don't know if you got a white gold Rolex on or

— [156:10.440 --> 156:18.680] if you got a stainless Rolex on, on the crown of the watch, the crown will have an Underline on it if it's white gold versus if it's stainless everybody

— [156:18.680 --> 156:27.700] don't know it's just little shit that everybody No, the niggas that really do this know like this shit that might say Chronometer

— [156:27.840 --> 156:35.900] on it might come in green the fake shit might have it in red. If you don't know that, you don't know. The watch niggas will

— [156:35.900 --> 156:44.060] be like, yo dog, your shit is in red, it's fake. They only make it in green. This is how you bag the bitches, get it. This is how you get them, I know. You know what, let me tell you something about

— [156:44.060 --> 156:52.520] your credit. If you don't see an underline on... Let me see your crown. Let me see the crown. Oh really? Women

— [156:52.520 --> 157:01.170] be impressed by niggas that don't shit. This is a legend. This is the most knowledgeable nigga and think that it's... He

— [157:01.580 --> 157:09.660] still think it was his looks. He oughta work, right? Yeah. He said, what's up? You still think it was your game. It was popping up, it was popping up. You know what I mean? It's

— [157:09.660 --> 157:17.760] cool. Y'all sweet, y'all want that to be true so bad. Hey, yo, dog, if it wasn't for Focus, you wouldn't have got no Focus. Yeah, you know better, You know better than that. On no fire.

— [157:19.020 --> 157:27.120] The fans are tired of our competitive war stories. Our. You got it, bro. I will say this. The 1 thing Joe did that I give

— [157:27.120 --> 157:37.420] him, watching the podcast space, he has his friends on. And I think you said something about somebody. And some of y'all. You said, no, you said like somebody and

— [157:37.420 --> 157:45.440] a few of y'all you was like yo the other you saw the gym you was like you you you filming with niggas it's not your friends something I saw and I was like Joe is

— [157:45.440 --> 157:53.560] smart he's the only these is friends. Like that's why y'all can argue like this. Y'all niggas is real, if my friends up here, we be arguing just like that. A nigga I know sounds 15,

— [157:53.860 --> 158:01.860] fuck you, nigga. I'm gonna fuck you with a nigga. I mean, will you borrow money? That's why this shit works. Y'all niggas are real friends. I hire niggas to make

— [158:01.860 --> 158:10.020] me more palatable and that would be my friends. That's y'all. That's peace. Not that y'all do a good job in making me more palatable

— [158:10.080 --> 158:18.360] either. But I don't even think y'all know that y'all supposed to. So wait, so wait. So wait, that's what we here for, right? Yes. Just to make shit easier for

— [158:18.360 --> 158:26.580] you to be. That is not what palatable means. That's not what it means. But y'all think you also hire friends because that makes you more tolerant Tolerable

— [158:27.180 --> 158:35.280] to them you think you can do this without you think you think you can you think strangers? Like you had a room of strangers and you come in on

— [158:35.280 --> 158:48.420] 1 of your moody days Go over well, yeah Hell

— [158:48.420 --> 158:57.345] no Crazy That's

— [158:57.345 --> 159:05.820] a separate conversation. But I'm a professional. So I look at it like I would be a professional at all times But I'd rather do it with my Joe.

— [159:06.040 --> 159:14.300] I ain't hear what he said. Who said core? He said I may not be happy And you're not gonna be nowhere working

— [159:14.300 --> 159:22.400] like that and not be happy So you'll go ahead and sacrifice other people's comfort before you sitting somewhere for a long time not fucking happy. I mean, I've worked at shows with people that I wasn't friends with.

— [159:22.400 --> 159:30.641] They were a massive success. They were huge. I got big checks. I made millions of dollars. You're not gonna make me do it because I don't wanna bait you. You got

— [159:30.641 --> 159:38.740] it. You win. But wait, what I'm saying is not debatable. It is not debatable, but I'm just saying facts. It is debatable. I just think it's a give

— [159:38.740 --> 159:47.859] and take. It's not just all 100% give. I think it's a give and take on everybody's, everybody's, and it meshes. You

— [159:47.859 --> 159:55.940] know what I'm saying? That's what I think. Nigga, you need friends, nigga. As the older I get, I'm trying to shed the fuck out of friends. I know, can't lie. I

— [159:55.940 --> 160:04.020] ain't, I ain't, I ain't. You need friends though, you need friends. Yeah, I ain't, that shit is overrated to me. After y'all. Yeah. That's it, that's it. You ain't bringing no more friends in there? Yeah,

— [160:04.020 --> 160:12.080] it'll be cousins. I gotta go to family members. So, so, so, so this is, this is an actual good question, right? In my brain,

— [160:12.080 --> 160:20.180] at least. Because I've heard you and Ian say before, like, you know what, you do have a vision for maybe a possible like an SNL treatment of the show

— [160:20.220 --> 160:28.640] and I think that's that's fly right so let's just say at a certain point everyone that people get caught up on him saying that SNL part what he meant was launching pad

— [160:29.720 --> 160:37.840] but that's not all you said He did say people venturing off and then possibly coming back. That's cool. Launching path, but that means people would have to leave.

— [160:39.160 --> 160:47.180] That's what I'm saying. So let's just say there comes a day where everyone that's now surrounded no longer looks like actual. When I go home, I see

— [160:47.180 --> 160:55.380] the day we eat you all you Really now when yeah when that is and how that happens different that's up

— [160:55.380 --> 161:03.420] to So you see that that's up to a lot you see that in your vision Yeah Yeah. Oh, you playing for that? I gotta tell my man, oh, you playing for

— [161:03.420 --> 161:11.580] that? See, he talking. I know you're a tricker. I'm not a retarded. He's talking funny. He talking. I know you're a trickster. He's just like, hey, yo, let me move my man

— [161:11.580 --> 161:19.620] here and put this here. Hold on. He lost his job? Come here. Oh, see. Let me put that here. Yo, you go back that way. You playing

— [161:19.620 --> 161:27.640] for that nigga. You play chess with your niggas. I see a world where, what am I, 40, what, be 46? We've

— [161:27.640 --> 161:35.660] been doing this for 10 years. I'm still feeling rather spry. Let's call it, you do another 10 to 15, that

— [161:35.660 --> 161:43.900] puts me at 60, 61. You see yourself doing that, you see yourself bark at it till 61, Joe? I don't understand them.

— [161:43.900 --> 161:51.920] No, I'm bad, no, no. You see yourself bark at it till 61? Yeah. Or whatever it's called at that point. Yeah, I'm not call me some creating. Yeah,

— [161:51.920 --> 162:00.120] I'd see much How I got 20 million other projects that I'm working on nice outside of this like outside

— [162:00.120 --> 162:08.580] of podcast Of course, it's peace. I don't see any of them, fuck you, I don't see any of them making me not do this anymore.

— [162:09.060 --> 162:17.360] I can see me and Parks being 70, like looking at each other like. They're still doing it. No, no, that's me, Howard

— [162:17.360 --> 162:25.480] Stern is still doing it. That's when the show's gonna get good too. It's just old people don't give a fuck. And he still has Rob in, he still has... They wouldn't let him leave, Howard. Right, he got... They wouldn't

— [162:25.480 --> 162:33.580] let him leave. Didn't he get like 500 million? I thought that was so telling. This nigga is however old he is, done everything in the world, it's finished and hired

— [162:33.580 --> 162:41.960] new people, gave them hundreds of million dollars, they started announcing shit, yo, Howard might be on his... When it got to the end of that contract Yeah, come on. How we're staying Howard

— [162:41.960 --> 162:50.060] staying another nigga here another year yeah, like what you mean you do this shit Let's say

— [162:50.060 --> 162:58.240] the fucking broadcast podcast market continues to just boom boom boom boom boom you ready to walk away from However, many millions it looked

— [162:58.240 --> 163:06.320] like at 59 It's so easy to use like this shit is

— [163:06.320 --> 163:14.680] in my sleep I could do this Yeah, it would be muscle memory at that 0, did you already damn serious? Yeah. Did LaRussell diss us just

— [163:14.680 --> 163:22.780] now? Oh, no. If he dissed me, I'm fucking him up. I'm not playing. He shouted me and

— [163:22.780 --> 163:30.820] the whole staff out. I don't know what he's saying, but he's talking to Kev on stage. And I can't hear him. He's talking to Kev on stage. Oh, that's how you know he down bad right now. He went to the

— [163:30.820 --> 163:39.540] gospel, nigga. Kev on stage that came here. What the fuck? Why would you say Kev? That was

— [163:39.540 --> 163:47.660] a great interview. That was 1 of our best interviews. If you going to see Kev on If you going to see Kev on stage to talk about what

— [163:47.660 --> 163:55.940] you did You fucked up. That's like black people going to church nigga. That's like black people going to church. That's like black people going to see that. That's intentional, because we said,

— [163:56.200 --> 164:04.400] well, when he said heaven sent, go see Kev, yes, smart move. You're right. Let's take a listen. Let's see what you saw. You guys tune in. Oh shit. Fuck it.

— [164:04.400 --> 164:12.440] I think it was Imani said, I'm a fan of the movement but not the music. And you responded to him. You like, you appreciate that. Other artists would have

— [164:12.440 --> 164:20.460] taken that as a slight. To you, is a movement more important than the music? Far more. You can always get to music through the

— [164:20.460 --> 164:28.940] movement. But you could be a fan of music and not invest in nothing else. I look at it as I'm a tree. Music is 1 branch

— [164:29.060 --> 164:37.080] on my tree. I write books, I make music, I write films, I'm funny, I sell gold cards, I do dope shows, I

— [164:37.080 --> 164:45.560] throw festivals. You might see an interview clip to where you love me, you know? Or you just like my ethics and what I'm about and what I built and I'm cool. Or you like

— [164:45.600 --> 164:54.020] my merch and my company and our hats I just I'm cool with it and it won't always be the music for everyone I'm not

— [164:54.080 --> 165:02.480] that that doesn't like rock me you know it's like great you didn't like the music but you still love me I'm not mad at that at all you know you appreciate anything

— [165:02.480 --> 165:10.560] I put into this world I'm cool with that it didn't sound like a shout out at all that's what he titled his ass but I mean salute.

— [165:10.560 --> 165:18.980] Monty just wanted to get his praise on. Yeah. Oh no they hear it. I don't see you here on the fly. You see that old school shit?

— [165:19.060 --> 165:27.260] Hell, you reach your boy, man. Hey, yo, play this when they talking about me, bro. He trying to be in on us out. They just shouting me out. I don't know what John is doing.

— [165:27.260 --> 165:35.460] When they shouting me out, my niggas laughing. I know You not talking. He said that. Nigga, fuck with that niggas. I'm talking about what you just said. What I said. Nigga, anytime you stand

— [165:35.460 --> 165:43.620] next to a nigga, you gotta let the world know that you know the niggas. How? Wait, what, how? Filming? You are 1 of the most name dropping

— [165:43.620 --> 165:51.900] niggas up here. I don't think so. I don't think so. He looked around. He said, I don't think so. I don't think so. He looked around. He said, I don't think so. I don't think so. My shit is telling.

— [165:51.900 --> 165:59.920] You can see it on, it's on line. I leave a trail. I leave a trail of mix. That's me. That's right. I

— [165:59.920 --> 166:08.300] don't know how to say it. I tried not to say it. That's true. I try to be humble when I get my man. Wait, you know what's funny? What you talking about?

— [166:08.300 --> 166:16.360] My man, my man. Yeah, you know what he do. What? Mr. Unhumble. Mr. Unhumble. That's what he do. What's funny? He'll do that. He'll

— [166:16.360 --> 166:24.520] do that. You good? Cheyenne Bryant. Yo, what did you say, bro? My fault. I named her. Me? No, Tabit. I don't

— [166:24.520 --> 166:34.641] know why that's my fault. He's trying to go. He's trying to go. He's trying to go. He's trying to go.

— [166:36.990 --> 166:45.460] What's everybody here thoughts on on a good friend of yours FaceTiming you when they around a girl?

— [166:47.580 --> 166:56.020] I don't like that, yo. I'm not gonna lie, That shit better not happen. Who did that? Who did that? Who did that? Who did that bullshit? You know what's up?

— [166:56.080 --> 167:04.120] She don't have a face time. I asked y'all, what are y'all thoughts on it? What they saying? What they saying when they first start. Hey yo Joe, what up nigga? Hey! It's my brother Joe. Yo, yo, yo, you missed my picture call.

— [167:04.120 --> 167:12.440] Yo, what up? You can't film on Tuesday. I'll be at the part on Friday,

— [167:12.440 --> 167:20.460] nigga. Oh, yeah, same as I see. That never happened to you? No, that happened to you, you dead ass. Sweater guy. What happened? Please tell us what happened.

— [167:20.460 --> 167:28.520] Nigga hits me. I don't even want to say it. In the mic please. He's watching it. No, it's the chick watches. Nigga hits me, he says, yo, blah blah

— [167:28.520 --> 167:36.580] blah, want your number. Nigga don't even have my number. So I'm like, who that? So my other man hit me, yo, such and such wants your number. So he reaching around the niggas to

— [167:36.580 --> 167:44.620] get your number? He asked 2 separate niggas for my number. Oh no, man. I'm like, what you want? He like, the 1 that do this. I'm like, oh, all

— [167:44.620 --> 167:52.720] right, that's, he cool. I know, I know the nigga, he cool. The nigga hits me. Yo, yo what up, cuzzo? He says, yo. You know

— [167:52.720 --> 168:00.840] you got your number and he called you cuzzo? I know him, no, but I know him, I know him. Well, you didn't have your number though. He just said, I have my number. The nigga says, yo, I'm down in Philly with

— [168:00.840 --> 168:09.080] this baby. Oh, man. He said, yo, I told you my cousin. Holy shit. He said,

— [168:09.080 --> 168:17.200] yo, I told you my cousin. You can call you. I said, yeah. He was looking for your number. Yo, dog, The nigga calls me. I ain't go

— [168:17.200 --> 168:25.420] up. Yeah! Before you get to the call, before you get to the call, before you get to the call, before you get to the call. I know. I know. Why'd you say yeah? He my man, I know. I would say yeah. I would say yeah. You'd

— [168:25.420 --> 168:33.420] say yeah too? I would say yeah. He my man, I know. I'ma throw a value. I know what you want. I'ma throw a value. I know what you want. I know what you want. I'm gonna say that. You convinced me.

— [168:33.420 --> 168:41.420] Yo, what up, Conzo, where you been? I said, I ain't shit, what's going on? She said, yo, I got my peoples right here with me, and she

— [168:41.420 --> 168:49.440] love you, yo, she love the show, she love you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I can hear the girl, like, that ain't no ish. Get outta here, that ain't no ish. The

— [168:49.440 --> 168:57.540] fuck I hear? You said, Merry Christmas? What you said? He puts the girl on the phone. He ain't got no FaceTime, so this is phone. You know I gotta say something. He puts the girl on the phone he got no face time He puts the girl on the phone

— [169:01.980 --> 169:12.760] She like this ain't no ish You have to sit 1 of your lungs. No, so I'm talking She said talking some talks on my Wham

— [169:12.760 --> 169:20.820] for me Whatever whatever she's like, oh my and she starts going

— [169:20.820 --> 169:29.180] crazy That nigga hit me the next day and was like, nigga. Good looking. Cause he supplied something, right? He said, yo, whatever

— [169:29.240 --> 169:37.560] you want, I got you. He said, nigga. You just fucked up his shit just now. No, he did just apply something. Yo, he said nigga.

— [169:38.980 --> 169:47.040] He just applied something. Yo, my nigga, I got you. He said, yo, she... What? I said, yo. That be

— [169:47.040 --> 170:07.780] niggas that don't care that you do alley open a joint to your man He

— [170:07.780 --> 170:15.860] did fuck it off yes, yes He fucked her. He fucked her. Mentally, yeah. Mentally, no. He don't mean mentally. He don't mean mentally. He did fuck her though. You can't tell me yes. No. Yes, yes. Yeah, that's when you left

— [170:15.860 --> 170:23.939] out of early to bring in a band. That's some shit. I don't know what the girl was like. Yeah, no, I know. I know. She just writing the deals. But no, no, don't lie. That was

— [170:23.939 --> 170:31.980] me on the phone. She wanted to fuck you. You would have done that for your mans? Never. I would. That would definitely. That's not even the mans' fault. I know that's cool. Hell

— [170:31.980 --> 170:39.980] no. I do it all the time. I definitely would. It's funny to me because I'm like what? I definitely would. What? Yeah. I could be

— [170:39.980 --> 170:48.180] on the other side of fuck shit. That's my brother. He does everything for me. Yo, word. That's my... Yo, I'm talking about sandbox. Now You just can't lie.

— [170:48.180 --> 170:56.400] You just can't. And then when he hung up on the phone, he looked at her like, you can't lie and say shit. Hoam. You can't lie and say shit like, yo, that's, yo, I'm his manager or some shit like that or whatever. That's wack, yeah.

— [170:56.400 --> 171:04.620] That's what I'm saying. I'm having to get that high. But if you like my home, yo, that's my man's and it's gonna help you, yeah. Hey, yo. Get on a little FaceTime for you. Hey. I'll

— [171:04.620 --> 171:12.680] sing Happy Birthday in a nigga car for you. You would do it. I'd do it. Yeah, come on. I know you would do it. No, I wouldn't call a nigga, but I'd do it for you. No, you would do

— [171:12.680 --> 171:20.760] it. You would do that. So, Flip, if I FaceTime you, would you do that for me? Like, if I press a bitch? All right, cool. Lot of people know you in Atlanta. I'ma use that so y'all fucking a joint

— [171:20.760 --> 171:29.620] that's impressed with I

— [171:29.620 --> 171:42.540] couldn't bring myself. Yeah, we fucking we said I

— [171:42.540 --> 171:50.700] know why he doing it I don't have to. I don't have to. He's saying enough about the future. He's saying enough

— [171:50.700 --> 171:58.900] about the future. He see the future? Oh, man. He's going to knock it off after him. Yeah, come on. Of course. Or together. He's back like, yo, where y'all at? No, just

— [171:58.900 --> 172:07.439] together. How much you care about the party? It's me, remember? I'm going to come up there. Yeah, mother puller. Y'all going to be out for long? A little trickle. You gotta get a little trickle. I don't fuck with Flit.

— [172:07.660 --> 172:15.860] I mean, Ish, when he called me like, yo, y'all gonna be there for long? I hang up, pay the check. I know what time

— [172:15.860 --> 172:24.240] it is whatever. Oh shit. When you on the phone with Isha, he say, yo, how much longer you gonna be there? Like who you with? Get out of here, yo. This nigga's

— [172:24.340 --> 172:33.260] lying. Get out. Don't stick around. Don't stick around, yo. He not coming with good intentions. Oh shit. That

— [172:33.260 --> 172:42.029] nigga right there. Where y'all at? All right down the block. I knew y'all was there. Hold on, let me find some ball pit. Hey, you niggas take 30 minutes. Yeah.

— [172:42.029 --> 172:50.140] The funny shit, and when he doing that, he hits you every step of the way in his trip. Y'all a few blocks away you need anything? No. All of a sudden, we in the

— [172:50.140 --> 172:58.500] spot. Yes, yes. I'm chilling. Yo, I'm outside. Yo, what security you got in the door? You in the room.

— [172:58.500 --> 173:06.660] Security? Yo, who bartending tonight? I didn't mean to tell you man what you had done. No, I know this man like the back of my hand. I know him like

— [173:06.660 --> 173:14.680] the back of my hand. Yes Tommy taking step first. Yo, I got

— [173:14.680 --> 173:30.740] on jeans shorts. Yo talk to the nigga in the front. Let me let me I'm like this. I don't even want you Clean

— [173:30.900 --> 173:40.420] clean Yeah,

— [173:40.960 --> 173:49.020] I would have to ask her man. You don't think she wants me? That don't matter. He don't care. He knows at that point. He knows, he don't care. I don't care about that, man. Go ahead,

— [173:49.020 --> 173:57.060] get your ass my man. If I'm with a bitch and she get giddy over any 1 of y'all on FaceTime, she's getting let out. That happens a lot. She's getting let out

— [173:57.060 --> 174:05.220] of the vehicle. It happens. I'm not saying it don't. Yo, another 1 of my homegirls was like, yo dog. Look, we know this girl. Listen, think about this girl. She was

— [174:05.220 --> 174:13.260] like, yo dog, the last 2 niggas, she know you too, she said the last 2, I'm listening to my story, she said the last 2 niggas she was

— [174:13.260 --> 174:21.380] fucking with, she had to stop fucking with them because they was Joe Button podcast fans. She said they was like stans and she was like, yo, I'm cool with the niggas, so I can't

— [174:21.380 --> 174:29.420] respect the niggas because they just be worshiping y'all. Who groupied out. Yeah. She was like, y'all had to stop fucking with the niggas. That's a good feeling. You said we

— [174:29.420 --> 174:37.520] know her? Yeah. I don't think girls that you are just meeting or trying to court or trying to fuck for the first time should know what you Were huge fan of but you

— [174:37.520 --> 174:45.780] might be around a day you watch a girl in your crib you listen If you trying to fuck this girl she should not know that you are

— [174:45.780 --> 174:53.860] fanned out over the Joe Button podcast. Let's wait till month 8. Nah, nah. I'm telling you dog. She couldn't hide it. I agree with you. That's

— [174:53.860 --> 175:01.900] not true. But let's just say you get in the car. Like let's just say she get in the car. Yeah, she get in the car and it's on. And all she's looking at her joint. Then you've dropped the ball already. She

— [175:01.900 --> 175:10.000] get in the car and we on? No, I'm not saying we not. No. That's not true. What the hell are they talking? Why would that be the case?

— [175:10.000 --> 175:18.100] That's not true. That's it. Oh, nigga. You're wrong. If she get in the car, She talking to a nigga and a nigga might be scrolling or y'all at

— [175:18.100 --> 175:26.320] the whatever Yeah, and he's scrolling and some come across that should be on playing what came listen to us What came across girl? None

— [175:26.320 --> 175:35.340] wrong with you scrolling an IG post. Oh you follow Joe button pocket. That's About

— [175:35.340 --> 175:43.340] our content they listen with their girl girl. I know I'm mad at that Niggas watch the joba and podcasts with a

— [175:43.340 --> 175:51.380] girl. That's not what I'm talking about I have no problem with it. Yes, but you go around a new chick or the new chick came, she walked in the crib, and he

— [175:51.380 --> 175:59.520] had the bottle. Yeah, sure, yo. Come on, stick, OK? I ain't going to lie to you. I'm changing my clothes. I got this shit playing in the back. Yeah. Sorry, buddy. I don't know about some Virgo shit. Sorry, buddy. I just don't want you to know

— [175:59.520 --> 176:07.560] what's in my head. I don't want you to know what I'm into. Sorry. I don't want you getting to know me that well. That shit like music to some niggas. My fear be like a chick in

— [176:07.560 --> 176:15.940] the car and I'm playing some shit and she tell niggas, this nigga was listening to Motherfucker Luther. Just make it seem weird. But Ray, what if you- That's your ego talking. It might be.

— [176:16.220 --> 176:24.240] That's your ego talking. So, you got 1? Yeah. What if you don't give a fuck about the girl, you just chilling? You don't give a fuck about her like that? You're not going to not listen to

— [176:24.240 --> 176:32.300] Jay-Z because a girl in your car. You're not going to not listen to some eclectic music because a girl gets in your car. You're not going to do that. I swear to God, I'm about to play in the, But for me

— [176:32.300 --> 176:40.380] that's all. I'm about to play Beyonce, I swear to God, I'm about to girl get in the car, turn that shit off nigga. That's a whole different phrase. You're not gonna hear me listen to no female rap music, you're not gonna, no girl get in the car, hear me listen to no female music at

— [176:40.380 --> 176:48.380] all. You, you, hey you like it bitch. I ain't even, I might just have it on my nigga, then I realize she about to get in the car, Turn that shit the fuck off. Because in my mind, she might be like, this nigga's listening

— [176:48.380 --> 176:56.480] to me. Bitch ass nigga, this bitch ass nigga. Like, I don't want that shit up. This bitch ass nigga. Sometimes the cars are just thinking, the radio is what I'm thinking. Your songs and

— [176:56.480 --> 177:04.540] Hov and your favorite artists, I'm cool. If there's someone's voice talking for me, that's kind of an intimate thing.

— [177:04.540 --> 177:12.600] I want to be able to hear and pay it's not for somebody to pop in and now pay attention to this and you now you looking at me to laugh at

— [177:12.600 --> 177:28.860] fucking some my free sand like you you see get in the car and I'm doing the intros he glued to the screen Okay,

— [177:29.140 --> 177:37.260] all right now that's different you see, y'all be fucking the pod fan. Y'all who? Who, y'all what? Whoever that pod, I'm talking about. We all faithful here. Shorty said it. Shorty said

— [177:37.260 --> 177:45.420] it. We all faithful here. Because she know us. No, I got a question, no. Oh, sure. I got a question. I wasn't raising it like that. No. I wasn't raising it like that.

— [177:45.420 --> 177:53.560] I have a question. Sure. Sandwiches for you. Sandwiches. Sandwiches. No, no, no. Oh. Have you fucked a pod

— [177:53.560 --> 178:02.320] fan in your singleness? Of course he does. That's E. I have. Shit. Was it weird? Was it weird? He walk around with it out, nigga. Y'all

— [178:02.320 --> 178:10.440] choose. Hey, yo, choose the way. His shit be like, this way you want it to turn, baby. He is that nigga, son. No, it wasn't weird, because I already knew what

— [178:10.440 --> 178:18.580] the situation was about. I can clearly see that this is you wanting to fuck somebody from the podcast. Then there's people that I've met. So you volunteered yourself. Sometimes you gotta

— [178:18.580 --> 178:26.720] be Yeah, that's my backsliding days, but what were you the person from the part that you want it

— [178:26.760 --> 178:34.780] maybe sometimes yes They want the umma lights. They don't need the decipher that shit. They want the umma lights getting in.

— [178:34.780 --> 178:42.780] Wait, what I did? I don't care. You be telling them niggas like, nah, it's Mary. He can't do that. He can't do that. It's Mary. He got girl. He can't do

— [178:42.780 --> 178:50.780] that. I'm the next light skin up. Make a choice. What's the light skin up? Yo, that boy Imani, man. He different, now he different. Yeah, I explained what the fuck. Listen, listen, it's been

— [178:50.780 --> 178:58.940] a good day, man. Yeah, leave that nigga alone. It's been an absolutely great day. Imani's my man, I'mma be honest about that. He and everything, we're

— [178:59.240 --> 179:07.520] doing. Oh shit, No. No. No. No. You never fucked a fan of your music before or nothing? Not knowingly. Really?

— [179:07.600 --> 179:15.900] No, you're crap. Yo, that bitch was singing, pumping up in the fucking studio. Yo, stop. I'mma fuck you up. Nigga. I swear to God, I'm with you, nigga. I'm tired. They just be talking. They just be

— [179:15.900 --> 179:23.940] talking. I'm ready. You never fucked a support or anything in a fan? Not knowingly. Not knowingly. Joe, you just was walking the street. I thought you was just a

— [179:23.940 --> 179:32.080] fly nigga that got them. You think you just spoke like Joe Biden? That's how I met her. Joe, she was at the meeting. That's how I met her. I never fucked nobody from a meet and greet. You're

— [179:32.080 --> 179:40.590] fucking lying. I've never fucked nobody from a meeting Fucking liar 1 person from a meeting read,

— [179:40.841 --> 179:48.854] yo. Yo, you're such a fucking liar, yo. I ain't gonna

— [179:49.104 --> 179:57.760] lie, nigga. This nigga's a fucking liar, my nigga. I ain't been on tour, and I know. Let's hear

— [179:57.900 --> 180:05.940] it. I don't even know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. Don't worry about it. Let him get his shit on. Thank you, man. Let him get his shit on. Possible to. Let

— [180:05.940 --> 180:14.040] him get his shit on. I don't know what you're talking about. Let him get his shit on. I have no idea what they're talking about. What a good day, yo. Why y'all assume. It's such a good day. Whoever y'all talking about, let me ask you this. Don't know Why y'all

— [180:14.040 --> 180:22.320] soon when I fuck this person Yo humans are different

— [180:22.320 --> 180:31.860] yo, I don't judge I don't judge none of y'all for fucking my fans in your lifetime. It's

— [180:31.860 --> 180:40.200] just not particularly my bag. It can get weird fast. Now what happened is the chicks that I meet usually at the shows, they was there because

— [180:40.200 --> 180:48.380] some of your goofy male fans thought bringing their girls there was a cool thing and they really don't want to be there. So I just happened to

— [180:48.380 --> 180:56.580] be the person that they can connect with, not you. That happened in Orlando. They're gonna pick that. Only you, man. Only you. So hold on, so I'm saying,

— [180:56.580 --> 181:04.620] so you okay with a chick right now, she in Miami, she telling her girls, I fucked this nigga last night. Who? The R&B nigga from the Joe Budden podcast. He don't give

— [181:04.620 --> 181:13.100] a fuck I have no ego Is a porn star is it

— [181:13.880 --> 181:22.100] You don't care about none of that should you talk about that's all ego shit men men I'll get caught up in the fact of, oh, if you have to think a certain way,

— [181:22.180 --> 181:31.160] it's going to make me look less than a man. No, I don't think I'm a less of a man because a chick might have flung a fuck-y for whatever reason. You supposed to care about that? I swear to God, listen, I'm just asking. Yes,

— [181:31.160 --> 181:39.200] if I fucked a chick years ago when I was a relationship expert, and right after we finished, she said, I can't believe I fucked Ray Hitch. And I looked at her so different from that point

— [181:39.200 --> 181:47.360] forward. I was like, ugh. I love when they say that. I was weird. You fucked me. It's a risk more than it's a, You're fucking with me now. Like, I'm a man. Like, I'm not the man from the

— [181:47.360 --> 181:56.160] show, but you still see the man from the show you a fan you know some fan energy I don't fuck fans cuz they get weird. They start looking at you at night Talking

— [181:56.160 --> 182:04.240] you telling your girl telling Instagram recording you but it's all I so much to go wrong, fucking affair,

— [182:04.240 --> 182:12.320] I just. I don't wanna hear it, but it's all wrong, but sick of it. Yo, yo, yo, right from you gotta put the ward outside to calm him down. This is stupid. It's

— [182:12.320 --> 182:20.580] stupid. Holy shit. He fucked up. That's what you said, man. I'm going that far. Yeah, your man jumped out. Listen, my girl gonna know this little inside joke.

— [182:20.580 --> 182:28.980] She gonna get you. Get her? What? Not me. You told that story. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying. She dressed it up, but my girl, she'll check you. She'll talk to you about

— [182:28.980 --> 182:37.320] it. Wait, take that back. Take that back. Nah. I ain't taking your shit. I don't want no smoke 1. I don't want no smoke 1. She already warned me. Let's call

— [182:37.320 --> 182:45.320] it. They normally became fans after I f**ked But music fans They normally became fans of how I carried it You know what I

— [182:45.320 --> 182:53.420] mean Music fans No I wouldn't run around You met them on the humble Hold on I said

— [182:53.740 --> 183:01.920] it Hold on wait wait so you saying every girl you've met in the last 20 years. On the Humble, they didn't know who you were. They thought you was an accountant. That's not what I said. They didn't

— [183:01.920 --> 183:10.320] know you were a wrestler. But he got you. When did I just say that? You said, yo, you didn't fuck no girl that start fucking with you because...

— [183:10.440 --> 183:18.740] My statement was, I have never knowingly fucked a Joe Budden fan. You are lying. That's never happened, and it's weird even hearing it still. Like that's

— [183:18.740 --> 183:27.180] weird to me. It make you disgusted. You are lying. I'm not. Y'all just always say that when the cameras is on. Y'all be wrong. I say that at a Monopoly

— [183:27.260 --> 183:35.320] game when there's 4 niggas. And I'm going to tell you the person that You can shut this shit down when the cameras off do it. It's all drop it now. Drive it like it's hot We bleep it

— [183:35.320 --> 183:44.340] out Whole tour we did in Texas me you Parks Corey only,

— [183:44.340 --> 183:52.380] Texas Fort Worth, San Antonio Houston cool you took a girl that was at the show at the meet and

— [183:52.380 --> 184:00.660] greet from San Antonio all the way to Houston and then left her in Houston. Oh wait, time out, time out. Wait, I know her. Time out, That wasn't

— [184:00.660 --> 184:08.800] actually the case. That wasn't the case. The girl that we met in the club after the show. No, she was at the show. I'm telling you because I had

— [184:08.800 --> 184:17.060] a girl from San Antonio there, and she told me that the girl, she met her at the show. And she was just all the way in the back, and she was 100% there for the show. But she came

— [184:17.060 --> 184:25.460] to the club pretending like she was not there. The bitch was a fan. But ain't matter, just because she's there doesn't mean she's a fan. But she didn't get popped.

— [184:25.460 --> 184:33.720] That wasn't my move. That's the other part about you 2. After the show, I wanted to go. That's the other part of what you 2 is. That's the 1 part. You won't even admit to it. That's the part. You know what's funny? He

— [184:33.720 --> 184:41.940] been on the road, they ain't really been on the road with me. I've been on the road with you. Wait, what run? We did that whole south. Yeah, yeah, Ice was driving. I'm

— [184:41.940 --> 184:49.980] fucking bugging out. Ice been on the road with me, Park's been on the road with me, there's enough people here to say, if that was my move trying to fuck at the show,

— [184:49.980 --> 184:58.060] like the cat would be out the back. I'm trying to go to the hotel alone. Y'all niggas go have fun. That was not my bad. I would

— [184:58.060 --> 185:06.180] say the times that I was on the road with you, you had your girl with you. That's different. So that sounds more like my bad. That'll absolve you from what they say. I

— [185:06.180 --> 185:14.600] would bring a girl on tour, have her sleeping in the bunk. Way quicker than that. Yeah, then I'm just fucking random. I'm not the guy that fucks random girls

— [185:14.660 --> 185:23.040] at no point in my life, I'm telling you. You know I've been on the road with you when Cory and Parks wasn't around right? You know that right? I'm on have you seen me

— [185:23.040 --> 185:31.160] lay something down on the road? I've never watched you cuz I'm not into watching niggas lace up But we don't have kickbacks where I brought a bunch of the bitches to the room. You and Parks had the

— [185:31.160 --> 185:39.280] Heineken Girl And have a girl leave the morning after. Now I don't know, maybe you're right. I don't know. That don't do

— [185:39.280 --> 185:47.580] nothing. I don't know. That don't do nothing. That's why you like me. That nigga's too semantic. That don't do nothing. That's the point. He too semantic. Yeah, he fuck out of here. Yo, dog, I know that y'all think

— [185:47.620 --> 185:55.960] all I do is I'm telling you I swear for God I swear to God kids put it on something. No, this is not my ammo

— [186:08.940 --> 186:17.000] A fan like if I fuck you use a fan, I didn't know that. Now that I know it's different, but I'm not going to knowingly. I'm telling you. Because it feels lame. It's like I'm only taking a white piece.

— [186:17.120 --> 186:25.140] It's too dangerous to me. It's just too dangerous to me. Yes. I'm admitting to that being the case. I'm not saying Joe.

— [186:25.140 --> 186:33.260] But the Joe Budden meet and greet sniper. Every meet and greet. Because I've done meet and greet to my own. I've been on the road with Kiss. I've been on the road on my own. Every meet and greet tonight.

— [186:33.260 --> 186:41.460] Well not every, not every. You shouldn't say it. I'm not saying that, I'm just saying. Niggas are whore. I'm not saying that. Every meet and greet, every chat, every chat. I've ever had a meet and greet. I've

— [186:41.460 --> 186:49.540] fucked some bitches. I've fucked some bitches on the road. No, what I'm saying is that no, That is not your bag. I will give you that. You are not supposed to try that. But for you to try

— [186:49.540 --> 186:57.620] to portray that you have no point in your career, have knowingly fucked a fan is crazy. You've been first off

— [186:57.620 --> 187:05.940] a celebrity since 21? 21? Yeah. You're trying to tell me in all of the history of how many women you have sex with

— [187:06.440 --> 187:15.380] Not 1 of them came to the table as either a groupie or fan and you've actually done anything many of them were Groupies

— [187:16.480 --> 187:24.740] But fans of Joe button you gotta remember Joe button was underground music for a long time, I gotta tell you that. When I was swinging, I was swinging at the top, I

— [187:24.740 --> 187:32.780] was swinging high. So when clubbing, pumping up, all that's rocking. Cause that's a moment where you have records that clubbing for 1 is still considered an

— [187:32.780 --> 187:40.780] R&B record. You're on an R&B record, you're performing it, so you are touring and being able to get that record off. So I'm pretty sure you're attracting certain women out

— [187:40.780 --> 187:48.780] at that point. You know what's funny? When I was 21, long story less long, when I was 21 and All the dudes

— [187:48.780 --> 187:56.880] were doing the music industry dudes were doing it though peer pressure thing like yo We better go in the world you better fucking bitch. You gotta fuck all the bitches Let me tell my fun bitches every titty bitches

— [187:56.960 --> 188:05.220] like all right when I was 20 and 21 and you hear all that. I went out on the road of the promo tour, free tour, and fucked this

— [188:05.220 --> 188:13.700] fat girl. So that's 1. I'm having the music out at the time. I fucked this fat girl

— [188:13.820 --> 188:21.880] and boy it was the worst feeling in the world. I scrubbed this shit out of my dick. From that day forward,

— [188:21.880 --> 188:29.980] I was like, you know what? I just don't get the hype about hitting different towns and just fucking the random girl there. And all the towns, they was

— [188:29.980 --> 188:38.560] throwing themselves at us. That's scary, That's more so scary to me. Because who's coming in this town next? Like

— [188:38.560 --> 188:46.880] if you're doing this for me, I think that whoever's coming to this town, you just jump in. That's not mine. See what I think a disconnect is, is Imani and me, They weren't necessarily there,

— [188:46.880 --> 188:55.260] probably weren't there at all to see me eat a bite. At all. So it's not the same thing. I understand. I get that. Yeah. Yeah. Low

— [188:55.260 --> 189:03.320] risk. Yeah. Low risk. Yeah. I probably would never be back. What tour was it? The Block Gang Tour? The Block Gang Tour? 1 of them super early

— [189:03.320 --> 189:11.500] tours. Like no Song Out, no popularity, no nothing. Just 1 of them obscure towns that if famous niggas or soon to be famous niggas is there

— [189:11.500 --> 189:19.700] They just jump in they just jump in they fucking just in case you pop up. Yeah That's what a double back and also when you come back And then it feel good.

— [189:19.860 --> 189:28.020] It doesn't feel good. We try to keep in touch a little bit after that. I'm on my way. See, that's when he fucked up. You tried to keep in touch with him. Well, I'd like

— [189:28.020 --> 189:36.480] to Never mind. Yeah, Joe likes I like to talk to people. I'm sorry. How you doing? Sorry, man. How

— [189:36.480 --> 189:44.580] you doing? How's everything? How you doing? How's the kids? Hey, how you doing? You been all right? I just like to feel like I know

— [189:44.580 --> 189:52.700] who I'm fucking because it's dangerous now. These chicks are taking it down. It's too scary. No, no, no. Today. Today. Listen, my first half of my

— [189:52.700 --> 190:00.820] life, I've met plenty of women. I'm like, hey, how you doing? And they were like Ray we fucked and I'm like we did What oh no, but that's

— [190:00.820 --> 190:08.860] my point When I hit 40 it was like I got I got to think differently now like I can't show I don't feel too many women in My life is like

— [190:08.860 --> 190:16.880] when do you get tired of that shit? Like, you fuck another 1, another, it's like, sometimes you gotta feel fulfilled and start focusing on yourself. And when I did that, it just doesn't, like, I don't wanna

— [190:16.880 --> 190:25.260] fuck with a groupie. I don't even want to be around chicks right now I feel like I'm being sent up saying I'm gonna like they're recording me. I feel like I'm being set up I'm like

— [190:25.380 --> 190:33.480] I didn't come this far to let a piece of ass take it down Watch me 24

— [190:33.480 --> 190:41.500] 7 3 5 and once you Can say how the word just don't want to make nobody mad. Just go ahead and talk shit, go ahead.

— [190:41.500 --> 190:49.960] Yes, hey, just say it blunt. Like once you learn that you could just fuck the baddest bitches in all the cities and the rest of the shit ain't.

— [190:50.180 --> 190:58.440] There's nothing. But Joe, I think everybody is speaking from, of course, for most of us, it's a past tense experience. What I'm saying is

— [190:58.440 --> 191:06.640] that there are some people that care more than others, and there's also a part of it where people feel like I am handling it in the safest way possible. It's not like you on the road,

— [191:06.640 --> 191:14.760] you're bringing it back, trying to build a relationship, you are bringing them to your crib or whatever the fuck it is. So I agree with what

— [191:14.760 --> 191:22.780] Ray is saying. You do reach a point in their age where we all have all these stories we're not going to continue to move like that now. If we went on a tour right now I'm not going

— [191:22.780 --> 191:31.860] into every city and every meet and greet and trying to beat. That's not happening. Every no. Not every. Every no.

— [191:32.900 --> 191:41.080] No. Some of them though. But guess what? A few of them. A few of them. Let's just say I'm single and I do I would entertain it, but I would make sure But the 1 thing I'm also very safe about

— [191:41.080 --> 191:49.320] is I also have people in a row with me that I don't want to put at risk of being caught up in my bullshit either. So I do try to assess the risk

— [191:49.320 --> 191:57.360] of... And what I'll say when it comes to like me and you while we're having this talk, like on some straight man shit. On some straight man shit. You a straight man, I'm a

— [191:57.360 --> 192:05.500] straight man. We straight men. That's peace. It's about peace and move. Define it. Oh shit. It's open

— [192:05.500 --> 192:13.620] to interpretation. And this is just... I know the audience is going to take this wrong. I truly believe in my heart of hearts on some straight

— [192:13.620 --> 192:21.900] man shit. You like pussy a lot more than me. I agree. Like a lot. I agree. Like a lot. That's what I'm saying. You know what's

— [192:21.900 --> 192:30.000] funny? I don't think. He worshiped that. I think his niggas out there that just enjoy pussy. What an idiot. He's actually a pussy. It's not pussy. It's not a pussy thing.

— [192:30.000 --> 192:38.120] I agree with that. It's not my bad. What do you think of this, E? If you took for the psychological example. If you want me to be honest, and y'all can make fun of it so far.

— [192:38.140 --> 192:46.220] It's cool, you're gonna make fun of it. We're gonna. I really do enjoy connecting with women in a certain way. Oh, he's a

— [192:46.220 --> 192:54.880] good guy, yo. Make some noise for Ray Daniels, y'all. Make some noise for Ray Daniels. Yo, we had an amazing time.

— [192:55.940 --> 193:04.760] Y'all hold it down out there. It's been a great show. Check us out, play. What the fuck did he just say? What the fuck did

— [193:04.760 --> 193:12.960] he just say? Y'all hold it down, hope you enjoyed this episode. Sign up to everybody's Patreon, Health, Wealth, Prosperity, until next

— [193:12.960 --> 193:18.980] time. Zazajajajaja! And remember, connect with all women! No fuck out of here!

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