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[100:02.840 --> 100:11.040] getting just threats and all kinds of stuff. So it just didn't really feel like it was the right time for me to kind of come out. But
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[100:11.040 --> 100:19.340] obviously I handed over the keys to a guy a year and a half ago who used to lead Xbox at Microsoft, then he ran Blizzard Entertainment. Jay's
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[100:19.340 --> 100:27.620] our CTO. Like I said, I went from CEO to Executive Chairman and now I'm just on the board and just active on the board.
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[100:27.620 --> 100:35.780] And then why else did we want to come today? Well, Jay's got a little present right here for you. I don't know if you spotted it yet. I love presents. I love presents. You know a couple things that you also
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[100:35.780 --> 100:43.900] know. You gotta get the rest of the crew. So you might have heard something about We'll get them later. You might have heard something about what we did in Atlanta not long ago, what the
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[100:43.900 --> 100:53.080] Hawks attempted to do. Hey! That's right! Yo,
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[100:53.080 --> 101:01.200] we were very, we were. That ain't a Hawks hoodie, that's a PrizePix hoodie. So we basically, So the Hawks weren't able to,
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[101:01.200 --> 101:09.520] they had to stop selling theirs. But because the NBA basically said they couldn't. Yeah, exactly, the NBA didn't tell us we couldn't. How
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[101:09.520 --> 101:17.580] did y'all feel about that whole Luke Cornett, Magic City, Atlanta? Like you're all in the thick of it. Well, I mean, look, just
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[101:17.580 --> 101:25.680] to show you, like, Jay and I have both been to Magic City before, so we know. No, no, no. For the wings. You had to let the You had to let the You dragged Jay
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[101:25.680 --> 101:35.800] in there. For the wings. For the wings. How could you force Jay to go be a part of that stuff? The wings. Yeah, with the wings. But,
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[101:35.920 --> 101:44.060] no, no, I mean, you know, so we know Magic City is absolutely a part of the Atlanta culture. You know, if you're in the scene, you know
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[101:44.060 --> 101:52.120] what Magic City is, like, you know, out of Atlanta. And so, the other thing that I don't think is well known about my background, Steve Coonan, who's
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[101:52.120 --> 102:00.180] the Atlanta Hawks CEO, brought me in to do digital strategy consulting for the Hawks right around the same time that I was starting up with PrizePix. And so back, I don't
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[102:00.180 --> 102:08.480] know if y'all would remember this, but back in like the 2014-15 season when the Hawks were ratted off like 19 in a row, 60 wins season, we sent 4 guys to the All-Star
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[102:08.700 --> 102:17.080] game. I'm like working with the marketing department, for example, on like Tinder night, or Swipe Right night, as it was known. And so that was like 1 of my main projects. Wait,
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[102:17.080 --> 102:25.100] they had Tinder night? Swipe right night. That's a big dash. And there was a wedding that came out of that night, too. So it was a story. Cool
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[102:25.100 --> 102:33.180] babies, too. Baby, get up. It's a little bit. And so when I saw them do this, I was like, oh, this is a very, very much the same group that was
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[102:33.180 --> 102:41.440] in charge back then. The main girl that I was consulting alongside, she's now the CMO, Melissa Proctor. And so
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[102:41.780 --> 102:49.900] I'm not surprised that between Steve, Melissa, and more, that they gave the green light on something like this. But then you also
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[102:49.900 --> 102:58.100] gotta understand, the Hawks and how they operate out of Atlanta is different than how the NBA at a league level operates out of New York. Yeah,
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[102:58.100 --> 103:06.100] of course. And I've heard of the acronym, nothing but attorneys. I don't know if that's a- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[103:06.100 --> 103:14.340] Nothing but attorneys. Not a, I don't know how prevalent that acronym is, but I'm sure there's people that have heard that before. And so, is
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[103:14.340 --> 103:22.460] what it is, But it provided us a great opportunity. Just like I said, LeBron put Taco Tuesday to the side and we grabbed that.
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[103:23.300 --> 103:32.860] We grabbed another 1 out there that's part of the basketball culture and we said, why not scoop this 1 up? That's dope. Get a wham Wednesdays. You
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[103:33.420 --> 103:43.280] said a wham Wednesdays. A wham Wednesdays. A wham Wednesdays. You dapped them on it too. I'm gonna go. You're
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[103:43.280 --> 103:51.440] a hater. That's hilarious. What's interesting about you Adam and about many of the like super successful
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[103:51.520 --> 104:01.280] entrepreneur dudes, right like Started company fail start a company. You feel start a company fail start a company you hit Sell
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[104:01.280 --> 104:09.640] a majority stake and it don't look like you are ready to lay back in retirement. How
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[104:09.640 --> 104:18.040] old are you? I just turned 41. Way to make us feel like, we feel like fucking da-dum-da-dums now.
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[104:18.080 --> 104:26.320] How old are you, Jay? 31. Oh, wow. Shut up. Jay got life figured out, y'all. That's sick. Yeah. But
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[104:26.320 --> 104:34.740] yeah, talk to me about that talk to me about being fucking extremely successful and still having the drive and
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[104:34.740 --> 104:43.260] the determination and just the itch to keep going. What keeps you going? And what's next? What keeps you guys going at this point? What keeps you motivated? Yeah,
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[104:43.260 --> 104:51.600] I mean, look, it ain't the money. I mean, you know. Same, I'm good. From early, I mean, exactly. You felt
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[104:51.600 --> 105:00.240] it, like. Yeah. It's, I mean, I think there's a number of ways I can answer that question, but I'll give you 1 great example. So with
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[105:00.240 --> 105:08.720] my original startup in the music space, I felt what product market fit feels like at a very young age, super early in my career.
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[105:09.400 --> 105:17.540] For example, and I can prove how we had some product market fit was, We got to the top of all the Google search results
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[105:17.540 --> 105:25.680] for best Joe Budden songs, top Joe Budden songs. You throw whatever artist in the middle, we were at the top of those. So every single month, tens
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[105:25.680 --> 105:33.780] of thousands of people are coming with those search queries. And we had the best answer because we crowdsourced, we went to all the Joe Budden
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[105:33.780 --> 105:42.200] fans, and we would say, what are your favorite Joe Budden songs? And then we would put all those opinions together and then just rank order the catalog from top to bottom. And so I had
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[105:42.200 --> 105:50.280] this product market fit, but I didn't have a business model. So I experienced what that kind of crazy dynamic looked like. And so I had to
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[105:50.280 --> 105:58.720] put that 1, I had to abandon that 1, put it on ice back in 2011. But I said, Mark, my words, I'm going to bring this thing back. And as we'll come out here very soon,
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[106:00.040 --> 106:08.860] We're going to be announcing that I am I've resurrected that 1 under a new name. It's now a 501 C3 nonprofit called
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[106:08.860 --> 106:17.140] the hidden jams. So that's my big passion project right now. And it's going to be our gift to the world.
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[106:17.160 --> 106:25.240] And we're hoping that we're basically, not only are we gonna rank order the catalogs, but we're gonna identify the deep cuts. And more than anything, there's a reason it's called the hidden gems, because
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[106:25.240 --> 106:33.260] we're gonna surface those hidden gems, those hidden jams, as we like to call them. And I'm super excited about that. I'll also quickly throw it out there that mark my words.
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[106:33.260 --> 106:41.260] I've given myself another bar, my own bar to hit, which we built a pretty cool brand and prize picks. I literally believe the hidden jams can be
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[106:41.260 --> 106:49.340] a bigger brand than prize picks. I told Jay last night, I was like, I'm just trying to do it to give prize tricks a little more ammo to keep going and make sure
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[106:49.340 --> 106:57.340] that we don't catch them now. But it's that, I mean, I've been an idea guy for a while, but I also like to see this
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[106:57.340 --> 107:05.380] stuff come to fruition. Is it a chase for you? Like when you have a new idea, right, and a new concept that you damn near
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[107:05.380 --> 107:13.480] bust your ass, you stay up night after night trying to bring it to fruition. Like if you look at the Mark Cubans, like Mark Cuban again, similar to yourself,
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[107:13.780 --> 107:23.960] got overly successful, young, fairly young, and now he just keeps going and going and going and going, trying to just basically, I'm
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[107:23.960 --> 107:32.160] assuming, I don't know him, but I'm assuming some passion gets reignited every single idea he comes across that he tries to- The most recent was Indiana
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[107:32.160 --> 107:40.440] football, right? Yes. Go RU. Hey you. Go RU. I knew he was gonna shoot for your man Mark. For sure. No, but again, yeah, I just think that,
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[107:40.440 --> 107:48.660] or what we see, and a lot of people that hit early, it don't stop. Like, in fact, they get even more fuel. So I'll give you a great example.
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[107:48.740 --> 107:57.320] So take it back about 2 years ago. I get on the phone with Ian, obviously y'all's Ian. And I'm like, yo, when
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[107:57.320 --> 108:05.620] I grew up, like the music charts were front and center. It's like, I remember being in my dad's back seat listening to Kasey Kasem count them down,
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[108:06.500 --> 108:15.040] come home from school, watch Carson Daly, Total Request Live. And if you think about it, in the sports industry, especially
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[108:15.040 --> 108:23.240] In college sports, the polls, the charts, have never been more relevant, I'd argue. They have a Tuesday night show to open up the top 12,
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[108:23.560 --> 108:31.740] or whatever, but yet, I'd say the music charts are as irrelevant as ever. And so, I go to Ian and I'm like, hey, here's my
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[108:31.860 --> 108:39.860] premise, I got, if you were to pair prize picks with billboard with JVP, that's the trifecta right there.
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[108:41.600 --> 108:49.640] You know, why can't we basically bring the charts back to prominence and popularity through gamification? And so I did hear that y'all got
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[108:49.640 --> 108:58.820] some good things in the bar. Ba da da ba da da da da da. La de da. We're working hard. Hidden
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[108:58.820 --> 109:07.260] gems coming to you. But you know, we working, we working. I have a question for you. Sometimes when you hit your end goal, there can be a let down.
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[109:07.520 --> 109:15.720] Was there any disappointment or frustration with hitting the exit so quickly? Great question. Good question, really good. So quickly? No, I
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[109:15.720 --> 109:24.380] mean, I'd even say, once again, so the way to think about what happened with us is like, we finally got our investment. After
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[109:24.380 --> 109:32.470] years of trying, it wasn't like we didn't try to get investment. We finally got our investment. It just so happened to be, instead of what is typically a 20% minority investment,
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[109:32.470 --> 109:40.490] it ended up being a 62% majority investment. But I can assure you, neither of us
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[109:40.490 --> 109:48.840] and some of the others inside of the business, none of us wanted to sell the whole thing. We still to this day don't know what our ceiling is.
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[109:49.240 --> 109:57.760] And so, you know, there was no world where I was gonna sign off on basically saying. People are running around busier at the office now
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[109:57.820 --> 110:06.300] more than they have ever. Even Adam and I started the business. And that's because this company you was talking about was coming in and put the amount of money they did behind us. All
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[110:06.300 --> 110:14.840] win. All win. Everyone takes it as a sign of, hey, this sets us on an intentional path to go be number 1 now. They didn't spend that amount of money to land and second position. So,
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[110:15.060 --> 110:23.200] I mean, it hasn't skipped a beat at HQ or even our remote folks. Everyone's more fired up than ever. And frankly, we recognize all the competition that's in the space
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[110:23.200 --> 110:31.240] with prediction markets getting as popular as they have over the last year. There's 40 new companies that have popped up in the last 6 months. So we're not sitting around on all
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[110:31.240 --> 110:39.240] laurels or, you know, we're not going to let these guys take up. Does Alwyn have the same affinity for podcasters
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[110:39.500 --> 110:47.980] as you guys do? I can't, I don't know, I don't know if I can answer to that. We got what you want me to do, I got to ask, I got to ask.
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[110:48.320 --> 110:56.400] What I can tell you is they like to spend money and they got a big deal with F1, they got a big deal with McLaren. You're gonna know what
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[110:56.400 --> 111:04.540] the name Alwyn is in the coming years in America. And we're their big entry point into the States. Question, with regards to the
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[111:04.540 --> 111:12.540] 62% or the big, big check that you guys got, right? Do you guys feel confidently now that you can dethrone the Draft
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[111:12.540 --> 111:21.160] Kings and the other big guys, or at least compete in that same realm as them. Yeah, yeah, so basically with
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[111:21.460 --> 111:29.620] Alwyn now, having the ownership that they have in our business, and you look at like Fandool's parent company, Flutter, both of those groups out
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[111:29.620 --> 111:37.940] of Europe actually, they're kind of going toe to toe, at least in terms of like revenue, EBITDA numbers. But like I said earlier, like
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[111:37.940 --> 111:46.340] I was actually pleasantly surprised and excited to hear from, you know, it started as a family office, all right? It was this group at
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[111:46.340 --> 111:54.880] a Czech Republic and they basically got a lottery contract, exclusive lottery contract, I think in Czech,
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[111:54.880 --> 112:02.950] and then went out and got a bunch of exclusive lottery contracts around Europe, got the Illinois 1 in the States. So they're the biggest lottery company in the whole world,
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[112:02.950 --> 112:11.220] but then they wanted to diversify and got into sports betting, got into casino, right? And so they've got big aspirations, but what was super exciting for me to hear was that
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[112:11.220 --> 112:19.280] he actually wants to go compete with Netflix. Ishtar was the humble way of saying, he got them niggas in the scope. You got them in the
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[112:19.280 --> 112:27.480] scope. From a TAM perspective, you guys didn't think about going public, because as an investor, it's really just Robin Hood and you
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[112:27.480 --> 112:35.660] guys and this generation as a way to drive revenue. What was the thoughts of maybe of taking a company public as draft I know you can't say but
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[112:35.660 --> 112:43.740] draft King stock is in shambles so any thoughts about maybe going public in a couple years I think it
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[112:43.780 --> 112:51.920] could be a possible path for sure I mean we feel like we have a lot of growth left ahead of us So I think that that could be an avenue I think immediately like we look at what how
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[112:51.920 --> 113:00.000] these public companies get jerked around by quarterly earnings And it's probably more of a burden than anything like 1 of our big advantages and how we think we can compete is We think we have a world-class team
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[113:00.000 --> 113:08.680] and We're small and agile and we're private and we don't have all the red tape or bureaucracy We can take some of the risks that the public companies can't we can move faster on AI? I
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[113:08.680 --> 113:17.580] think that's how we're gonna win Have a question for you guys Where do you stand on the strange season of? Darren
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[113:17.580 --> 113:25.800] Peterson of Kansas And what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, man, I'll answer it a couple of different
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[113:25.800 --> 113:34.020] ways. Like number 1, like I'm a DeBonse number 1 guy. I think AJ DeBonse is the most sure thing. Because are you a DeBonse
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[113:34.020 --> 113:42.120] number 1 because he's the best? I mean, you talk about that athleticism. You talk about that athleticism and just how
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[113:42.120 --> 113:50.160] he tore up, college basketball as a freshman. And you can't, I mean, it's like watching, I don't know if it's Tracy McGrady or remember
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[113:50.160 --> 113:58.280] but I mean he He's a lot of things. I was I think the thing about you know, it's just when you wait the the thing
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[113:58.280 --> 114:06.360] that I'm reminded of related to Darren is like is this like another faults situation? Could you watch him play and you're like, man,
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[114:06.360 --> 114:14.400] this kid can play. Unbelievable. Is it up here? Is it down here? I haven't watched enough of him
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[114:14.420 --> 114:22.420] to say, and I haven't read enough of the articles about it because there's freaking hundreds of articles swirling, but to me, it's like
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[114:22.420 --> 114:30.520] if I'm number 1, I'm going AJ. I see Acuff jumping up the charts, which is super exciting. Oh my God, What
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[114:30.520 --> 114:38.600] a tournament he's at. He's had a run. He looks great. And mentored by Iverson. Like what's not to love about Acuff? I think this has the chance to be 1 of the better
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[114:38.600 --> 114:46.920] drafts that we've had in quite some time, honestly. And we love it. You know, at PrizePix, you know, for a number of reasons. A, because
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[114:46.920 --> 114:55.260] there's so many college basketball for a number of years, especially before NIL world, but especially before this class that they're saying
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[114:55.260 --> 115:03.260] is the best 1 since 2003. You didn't really recognize the stars, right? It was difficult to recognize the names because
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[115:03.260 --> 115:11.380] a lot of them would be 1 and done or whatever. But not only do you have all these stud freshmen that everybody's been hearing about left and right, but you got these kids
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[115:11.380 --> 115:19.560] who are sticking around now for 234 years that otherwise would have gone pro earlier. So we just hear about them every, you know, I went to UGA, we
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[115:19.560 --> 115:27.980] got smoked by St. Louis, but this is the second time in 3 years I'm hearing about you know baby Joker or cream I'm a cream
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[115:29.340 --> 115:37.340] he's nice he's not it's how do you project the guy like that though? But it's like I remember going through these motions in my head like a couple years guys like man Is that is that Joker, but how do
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[115:37.340 --> 115:51.100] you project the Joker? Yeah? What
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[115:51.100 --> 115:59.180] do you think what did you think of the new All-Star game format? It was good, man. I'm pissed that, you know, I was in LA and I didn't go.
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[115:59.180 --> 116:07.300] I went Friday night, I didn't go, I went to the rising stars, didn't go to Sonny, but I mean, definitely the best 1 that they've had in years. It is, yeah. Most competitive 1. Yeah, it was a super competitor.
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[116:07.300 --> 116:15.720] Most competitive 1 that you've had in a long time. All right, you're the Giants GM. Pick 5, everybody's there.
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[116:15.720 --> 116:23.780] Sonny Stiles, Tate, Downs, Love. What do you do at pick 5? And I know you're a Falcons guy, but I'm
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[116:23.780 --> 116:32.160] done. I'm not gonna lie, I have not studied up on my NFL mocks. I've been deep on college basketball of late. I'm more of an NBA mock draft
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[116:32.160 --> 116:40.160] than I am NFL. So I'm gonna pass that to Jay. I don't know if he's prepared. Y'all don't give a fuck about the Giants. All right. Hey, my
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[116:40.160 --> 116:48.640] Falcons haven't been good since we went to the Super Bowl. The two-a-time now though, you're good. Oh my God. Of course. You didn't say okay. Did you say two-a-time? Two-a-time.
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[116:48.940 --> 116:57.380] Dolphins guy here. Are you guys pumped about 2 at a time? No, right? Tell the truth. Energy down in Atlanta. It's
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[116:57.380 --> 117:05.580] unclear what we're trying to accomplish. So you would have thought we would have built around our 2 first-rounders last year that we even traded
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[117:05.880 --> 117:14.100] For an extra 1 and now 1 may never play in the league again, you know Listen I came on the air. I
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[117:14.100 --> 117:22.460] want to say last year and said I don't think Tuwa should ever play again. That's weird. Just because of- You were just echoing everything that the fucking punters were saying.
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[117:22.660 --> 117:30.940] I think I was early on that. Nah, bro, he was early. I think I was a little bit or- And I don't think that was last year. It was. It was after all the concussions. It might have been the year before. It was After all the concussions.
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[117:31.600 --> 117:40.160] I thought I was early on that. He was early though. He worked. Parks the hater. It's a good assessment to make though after. For sure. After last season,
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[117:40.160 --> 117:48.260] yeah. I think he's gonna kick up though. Kick up what? More turf when he laying on his back. Yo. Yo. He's been overseas
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[117:48.260 --> 117:56.580] doing the fucking shit so you got a lot to do over here. He's going to come back and he'll probably get knocked out after 10 games, but he's going to look good for
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[117:57.780 --> 118:05.940] 9 of them. Give me a bad sports take that you stand on. Give me something that, give me a sports take you have that everybody else would say
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[118:05.940 --> 118:14.020] you're crazy but you believe it in the depth of your soul. Right now? Yeah. Oof. Man, can some of y'all
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[118:14.020 --> 118:22.100] go first? I mean, I'll come back. Oh, no. I'm good. I'm doing my bad take. Joke is the best plan at NBA. Who? Joker. Yeah, that's not a bad take. It's a real hot take there. That
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[118:22.100 --> 118:30.480] is a hot, steep, scorching hot. I argued that point up here. And fun resistance, you have. Mad resistance. What
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[118:30.480 --> 118:38.500] about your check take? I mean, I mean, you know, the, the, the take that I had a couple of years back that wasn't, I mean, it, there
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[118:38.500 --> 118:46.560] was, there was a lot of debate at the time, a couple of years ago, when, when Anthony Edwards was, you know, was going into the league, it was the COVID year. I'm a Georgia
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[118:46.560 --> 118:54.640] guy, I'm a basketball guy. So I watched every single Georgia basketball game that he basically played in. And I'm like, if y'all don't think this guy should
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[118:54.640 --> 119:02.660] be the number 1 pick in the draft, I don't care about LaMelo Ball, I forget who the number 3 guy, they were debating all 3 of them. And I was like, if
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[119:02.660 --> 119:10.680] he's not a perennial All-Star, and I got receipts, I was like, if he's not a perennial All-Star, disappointing career. So I was like sitting in the bar like mad
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[119:10.680 --> 119:18.920] high, and he overshot it. He's a medic. Hell yeah. And you can see with him, the thing I like with him, you can see
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[119:19.160 --> 119:27.200] every year something that he specifically worked on his game so now he shoots the 3 ball he's not hesitant he's not resistant
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[119:27.200 --> 119:35.640] to shooting a 3 ball and what he'll do is ba-ba-boop pull up, ba-ba-boop pull up You can see he worked on shooting off the dribble a lot.
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[119:35.660 --> 119:43.900] Like, I like him, and I think his work ethic matches what his overall athleticism, because that was the knock. His knock was, is he gonna work
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[119:43.900 --> 119:52.080] hard when he gets to the league? He's a perennial athlete, but is he gonna work hard? And I think his work ethic has matched what his athleticism
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[119:52.340 --> 120:00.480] was. I like him with you, I like him because he works like, he wanna be the best. He wanna be the best. Like, it ain't that much competition no more. We were just speaking about that. He wanna be
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[120:00.480 --> 120:08.540] the best. When you watch him play, I want to kill. And I wanna kill the best. Like when KD's on me, I wanna kill
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[120:08.540 --> 120:16.780] him. Whoever's in front of me. I miss that, yo. It's almost like, yo, blah, blah, blah, All right. I'll take it easy. Oh LeBron guard me. Come here And
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[120:16.780 --> 120:24.980] then I appreciate that especially in today's last shot I'm not passing money I appreciate that like nobody wants to work that hard anymore you guys have a favorite NBA conspiracy
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[120:29.520 --> 120:37.520] conspiracy huh Oh that Jordan shit is my favorite 1. Which 1? Flu game? That's mine that's
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[120:37.520 --> 120:45.800] mine that's mine yeah, I'm with you that the NBA suspended Michael Jordan We know what that was but he didn't leave to go play baseball That was a behind the scenes meeting
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[120:45.800 --> 120:54.060] with David Stern and him. Early talks about gambling. Nah, I can't think of 1 off the top of my head.
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[120:54.060 --> 121:02.360] Me either. I'll go for the 2 game, it's more fun. I'll enjoy it, more fun than me. Nah, it's a little nefarious man, it shit got bad. You see, Mike
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[121:02.520 --> 121:11.240] was back there playing quarters, he was betting on quarters. He couldn't not stop. If you keep following the thread That
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[121:11.240 --> 121:19.540] wasn't the case, yeah Little hangovers pretty fun. Yes As someone newly married
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[121:19.540 --> 121:27.620] and someone dating with intention. What? What? You so messy. How do you, no
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[121:27.620 --> 121:36.380] for real, because I can't imagine the hours that go into doing what you guys do. Right?
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[121:36.380 --> 121:44.660] Like just listening to y'all. I imagine that it's a heavy workload. How do you, how do you balance work home life? How do you,
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[121:45.040 --> 121:53.300] How do you balance putting in the time with your business that it needs to tend to it and nurture it versus putting
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[121:53.300 --> 122:01.360] in the time at home that you need to? Being present. Yeah. I got laptops at Lake Cuomo. For sure. And on the private too. Good
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[122:01.360 --> 122:10.100] connection. His laptop's over there. But it's actually a really good question about how you balance out the business and being present with the family. I
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[122:10.100 --> 122:18.280] struggle with it. I mean, I have, I think I'm lucky that my wife's very understanding and I carry my laptop everywhere. So
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[122:19.180 --> 122:27.340] there is no balance. Yeah, there's not much balance, but I think she's independent. She's got her own thing. She understands, she was there when we started the business and she's
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[122:27.340 --> 122:35.380] seen it. She understands. Come from nothing to where it is today and so she understands. Has to be immensely proud. So far. Immensely proud. I think so, for sure. Yeah,
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[122:35.380 --> 122:45.260] I mean, I don't call it work-life balance. I call it work-life blend. I've said that for a long time. But
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[122:45.260 --> 122:53.540] I mean, Jay's all in, super appreciative for him and the rest of the team locking in, you know
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[122:53.720 --> 123:01.800] with with the business right now Like I said before like I am NOT I'm not full-time at prize picks like like I was up until January
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[123:02.160 --> 123:10.800] But I'm literally I have more cooking than I ever have. And some of that's self-inflicted,
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[123:11.380 --> 123:19.460] some of that is, you know, I could have, you know, calmed down a little bit, but I am confident that it'll get to a better place
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[123:19.460 --> 123:27.600] at least. I wouldn't describe my life right now as like being like, I'm not as busy. There's been busier stretches for me, but
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[123:27.600 --> 123:37.660] it's a little more of a hectic stretch because I just got so many balls that I'm juggling, so many early stage concepts that are cooking. I
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[123:37.660 --> 123:46.060] got 1 coming back for you before you know it. We don't have to necessarily talk about it on this pod. Ooh, awesome. Excite me, why don't you? It's related real quick
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[123:46.360 --> 123:54.480] to the topic of being able to put people like you in the app. So, you know, hopefully we'll see Joe Budden inside the Price Picks
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[123:54.480 --> 124:02.600] app for you. Yeah, let me make sure my phone is on. It's working just in case. Just in case now. But what are you doing with the time that you have now that
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[124:02.600 --> 124:11.480] you're not fully at price picks like any new hobbies Any new purchases that you shouldn't have got like what do you got going on? None
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[124:11.480 --> 124:20.240] crazy like that. I mean, I think where my money's going is to my new ventures more than anything And I'll
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[124:20.240 --> 124:28.320] go ahead and tease the 1 that I was just referencing, just to put it in perspective. But I mentioned before that Jake Paul and
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[124:28.320 --> 124:36.360] Mike Tyson was the biggest day of that year, 2024. And man, I'm sitting back and thinking like, okay, so
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[124:36.360 --> 124:44.660] if you extract all these variables, like what are we basically saying here? You're basically saying, like, people wanna be entertained. They wanna see, you know, entertainers compete.
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[124:45.300 --> 124:53.740] And so the problem with boxing is you've got to prepare for a long time. So what are competitions that don't require as much preparation? You
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[124:53.740 --> 125:02.020] just kind of follow that logical trail. And eventually that led me to the topic of spelling. And so I
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[125:02.020 --> 125:10.080] don't know how good your Merriam-Webster acumen is, Joe, but we got some things to talk about.
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[125:10.080 --> 125:18.360] Celebrity will of fortune? Oh, we going less. Wow, man.
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[125:18.360 --> 125:30.720] Wow. I'm joking. No, no, don't. It's pretty bad now. It's so bad now. I type in the word fucked
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[125:30.720 --> 125:38.900] up purposely and wait for a spell check to fix it. Oh yeah, for sure. Spell check can help you. I hate when it can't help you. You gotta just put it in Google and they're a little better sometimes.
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[125:38.940 --> 125:46.960] Yeah, I was in the depths of hell over caviar the other day. I don't care. I don't care if y'all judge
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[125:46.960 --> 125:56.680] me. I don't care. Some shit you should forget how to smell. I forgot. Fuck you, Ice. Anyway,
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[125:56.680 --> 126:04.740] okay, let me see. Let me see. Golf? Do you golf? Not a golf. I don't have the patience. What rich guy stuff are you doing? Yachting. Yeah, come on, did you
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[126:04.740 --> 126:12.740] buy a boat? Building. I'm looking at a plane. What's up, Blaine? Just looking at it.
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[126:12.740 --> 126:20.800] Talk heavy. What car? They having a blast, man. Yeah, they going crazy. It was funny, I haven't owned a car in
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[126:20.800 --> 126:28.820] years. I lived in New York City for a little while, or at least we split in time between here and Atlanta. And now I'm down in
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[126:28.820 --> 126:36.900] Miami. Wait, wait, wait. What floor? What floor? What floor? What do you mean you're down in Miami?
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[126:36.900 --> 126:44.980] I'm down in your... What do you mean you're down in Miami? What does that mean? I've been down in Miami since summer of 23. Okay. Yeah. All right.
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[126:44.980 --> 126:53.140] Swag. He playing that Collins closey. He going crazy on that Collins. I thought that, I mean pardon me if I'm over sharing, I thought that when I
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[126:53.140 --> 127:01.180] came to the prize picks headquarters and we walked out on the big deck, you looked out at some building,
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[127:01.560 --> 127:09.660] you tapped me, you said, yeah, see that right there? Thinking about moving right there, but I just don't know,
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[127:09.660 --> 127:17.720] man. And in my head I was like, oh, Adam's about to fucking kill him. So no to that. Yeah, Yeah, no, I abandoned
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[127:18.140 --> 127:26.540] grabbing another spot in Atlanta. I haven't been in Atlanta for a couple of years. I was going to grab a spot in Atlanta. Yo, what are you talking about? Yo, Atlanta
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[127:26.540 --> 127:34.960] has some 30 degree winter days. I don't want to snow in Atlanta. This time of year, man, those allergies are crazy right now. Ah. Yeah. I
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[127:34.960 --> 127:43.280] relate to the collar issues. What about the allergies? What the fuck? Especially the side of your ears. Now I get it now. The side of your ears. Those
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[127:43.280 --> 127:52.060] allergies. Those allergies. Check the mail and hot shoe. Yeah. Bikini. Oh my god. Bikini? What? For
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[127:52.060 --> 128:00.240] real, every time Florida pop up on my phone now, it's the new Ferrari building or the new Bugatti building. The new Bugatti building. Yeah, come
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[128:00.240 --> 128:08.260] on. You know the buildings. Yeah, I watched the Benz. Oh, I got to come out there and see you, man. We're at the 11 residences, right? Is that the next 1 you're gonna say? 11, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, you know. 11 are killing
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[128:08.260 --> 128:16.500] it. Okay, so what does, well, what does the future look like? Yeah, I mean, So in
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[128:16.500 --> 128:24.760] my world, I'm still engaged with Pride's because I'm an active board member is how I would describe it. The brand's my baby. I'm not gonna
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[128:24.760 --> 128:33.160] let that shine wear off. The irony about what I was just describing with the spelling thing is that that's a concept that I had that was kind of like
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[128:33.160 --> 128:41.260] after I handed over the keys, you know, it wasn't my show anymore. And so it was a concept that I wanted to move on, but it was kind of just stalled out, you know, ever
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[128:41.260 --> 128:49.340] since I handed over the keys. And then basically once I exited the day to day, I said, you know, this concept's coming with me, but I'm gonna bring it back to
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[128:49.340 --> 128:57.440] y'all before you know it, so get ready for it. But, I'm sorry, what was your question? I have a new question.
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[128:57.760 --> 129:05.940] Yeah, but fuck the future for a second. The future, yeah, So how I describe it, and hopefully if this clip gets back to him, he could appreciate
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[129:05.940 --> 129:14.040] it, is like when you think about kind of the competitive set of prize picks, a lot of people always used to compare us, or love to
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[129:14.040 --> 129:22.220] compare us to DraftKings and Fandol, and I actually got up on stage with our team and told them middle of 23 I said hey, actually who I think is the closest competitor
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[129:22.220 --> 129:30.360] of ours in the grand scheme of things is Twitter Sports at the time. Because yeah, we play the games at the heart of it but it's the community. You know that morenian is kind of how
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[129:30.360 --> 129:38.760] we lead. And so when I think about the founder of PrizePix and okay, what is this brand that I'm building as
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[129:38.760 --> 129:46.860] the founder of PrizePix where I have like 6 or 7 different ventures cooking that I describe in a kind of tongue in cheek way as like
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[129:46.860 --> 129:54.880] a same game parlay, because they're all intertwined. The more that my brand gets out there, the more it enhances all of these. And
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[129:54.880 --> 130:02.960] so, who's the competitive set for the founder of Price I would love for y'all to take it real quick, but there's not very many
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[130:02.960 --> 130:11.220] prominent people in the entertainment business side that touch sports, that touch our
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[130:11.220 --> 130:19.360] world. Intersection, yeah. The easy 1 to call out is Michael Rubin. Obviously he throws his biggest event in the Hamptons,
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[130:19.500 --> 130:27.600] throws 1 of the biggest events of Super Bowl week, just throwing the flag football thing. So, you know, I think Rubin needs more competition, let's just put it that way. I
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[130:27.600 --> 130:36.020] agree. I totally, totally agree with that. How hard was it? How
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[130:36.020 --> 130:44.240] much did sentimental value come into play when it was time to sell? Like this is your baby, you fucking did this thing
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[130:44.240 --> 130:52.660] from top to bottom, now you got somebody on the line, but this is mine. Like, how tough is it to let go? 1, and
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[130:52.660 --> 131:01.120] 2, who were the first 3 people you called after you sold? That's a great question. Good questions. I
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[131:01.120 --> 131:09.140] mean, I think there's a big distinction big big difference between you know Selling the whole thing and selling a majority stake right like I said think of it just as
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[131:09.140 --> 131:17.560] we got a very large investor and more than anything and I think it's also relates to both your questions like like so many people
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[131:17.780 --> 131:25.860] got a chance to get liquidity. And like so many lives were changed on that day that we were never able to change. As much as
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[131:25.860 --> 131:33.860] like we were changing lives along the way and people are getting good salaries and stuff, that equity was just paper money for a
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[131:33.860 --> 131:42.120] while for so many people. And so we have people that not only were putting in the sweat equity since 2014, 15,
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[131:42.120 --> 131:50.380] but also investors that have been in the deal for over 10 years now. And so I can't just look out for myself and you know when I'm
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[131:50.380 --> 131:58.860] 1 of the, you know, at the time 5 board members signing off on the deal, like I'm also thinking about everybody else, you know, I'm gonna be fine.
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[131:59.000 --> 132:07.060] But like, you know, there's people, like you know, I used to hear the refrain like, you know, for some people you can go out and get a new car. Some people
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[132:07.060 --> 132:15.060] you go out and get a new house. Some people go out and get a new life. And that always stuck with me, and that was always a very cool feeling when you can deliver that to all these people
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[132:15.060 --> 132:23.800] that you care about around you. That is fire. That's fire, yeah. That is great. Make some noise for that. Make some noise. Yeah. Cheers to new lives. He's
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[132:23.800 --> 132:31.820] had some practice with that 1. That was a fucking. You know what? I can't say that. And the first 3 people you called were? Well, you know, a little known factor,
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[132:31.820 --> 132:40.340] I think it's becoming more well known as 1 of our top 10 shareholders is Phil Hellme with the Poker King. So I know I had a call with him the day of. I
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[132:40.340 --> 132:48.420] had a call with, you know, probably the most instrumental investor to me that wasn't on the board, but
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[132:48.420 --> 132:57.100] just he was there all along the way. Not only was he an investor in this business, but he invested in our last business and just really appreciated
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[132:57.120 --> 133:05.160] him. And obviously family, you know? Gotta look out for family, But like, man, like, you know, it's my,
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[133:05.940 --> 133:14.100] I come from, you know, I grew up probably middle class, but in my high school experience, probably lower middle class, when my parents got divorced and we were doing with my dad. And so some
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[133:14.100 --> 133:22.200] of these things are difficult for my parents who are on the older side to kind of comprehend. To fathom, yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. Once the news
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[133:22.200 --> 133:30.420] broke about the deal, did you get any new cousins? Oh yeah, old friends, yeah. Yeah, any of that? Oh yeah, there are definitely people
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[133:30.560 --> 133:39.180] coming out of the woodworks, but that's the other thing. I mean, you talk about time and stuff. It's just a lot to manage through on
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[133:39.180 --> 133:47.360] the other side of a major announcement. For sure. There's just a lot of new considerations. I know we're kind of going through that together, which is nice
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[133:47.360 --> 133:55.460] to kind of have Jay along for that. We bounce ideas off of each other. But that by itself, you could call a job, and
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[133:55.460 --> 134:03.640] almost a full-time job. So just trying to navigate all that. But we're builders, so we're going to keep building.
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[134:04.520 --> 134:12.740] Jay, can I ask you? Because I mean, 41, 31. 10-year gap. But you know, we're builders, so you know, we're gonna keep building and you know. Jay, can I actually, cause I mean, 41, 31? Right. 10 year gap. Did
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[134:12.800 --> 134:20.800] you, are you able to actually take all of this in and appreciate all the things that you're doing at this really young age and kind of like let
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[134:20.800 --> 134:28.880] it soak in? Like, do you feel like, like you're living in a dream to some degree? Yeah, for sure. It's been a blur.
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[134:28.900 --> 134:37.220] I try to like take a step back. I mean, especially in my personal life, we've had some major milestones in the last couple months. We actually, our first employee, my
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[134:37.220 --> 134:45.360] best friend since high school, unfortunately passed away in November, and he had worked at Price Place for the last 8 years. So very sad moment to see him
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[134:45.360 --> 134:53.680] go right before we hit such a major milestone. Him and I were, we were together literally every day for the last 8 years, so that 1 still kind of rocked me and our group to the core.
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[134:54.080 --> 135:02.120] But then all of a sudden you have the deal close, I'm getting married, we're coming to Joe Budden. So it's tough to kind of put everything in perspective, but I don't know, everyone close to me
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[135:02.120 --> 135:10.180] is like, take a step back, soak it in, because you just have insane milestones that are hitting right now. But no, I think direct answer
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[135:10.180 --> 135:18.240] to your question, it's tough to understand what's really happening right now. I think what I'm encouraged by, and going back to Joe's question, everybody back on the team is
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[135:18.240 --> 135:26.520] heads down focused on just working So nothing has changed back home really and I think that's that's like a nice anchor to be able to go back to So you haven't had to manage
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[135:26.520 --> 135:34.840] any expectations after the announcement like everybody is still to business as usual for us got it Listen it's
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[135:35.180 --> 135:43.240] a hard bar 31 though What you mean 41 to yeah, yeah, yeah puts a pit muscle like I don't want
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[135:43.240 --> 135:51.300] this to be a 1 hit wonder. But I think to his point, it's good fuel. And I think it's good validation too. It's like you work hard, you see something come to fruition. Okay,
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[135:51.300 --> 135:59.420] let's go do it again. The other thing I'd say about our space is y'all can imagine, it's like this business don't sleep. It's 24 7, 365. And
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[135:59.420 --> 136:07.440] I'm not exaggerating by that. It's 24 7, 365. There's esports late at night if you want esports. There's prediction markets these days inside of our app,
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[136:07.440 --> 136:15.480] you know, and so you know, I'd hope that not just Jay but a lot of the team gets a chance to, you know, take some vacations this summer.
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[136:16.460 --> 136:24.480] But, you know, definitely, it's definitely a good year for a lot of people. Is there anything you would do different in the way you structured or built the company
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[136:24.480 --> 136:32.480] or are there any mistakes you wish you could have rewritten before the acquisition? It's a good
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[136:32.480 --> 136:40.740] question. I mean, look, nothing's perfect. For sure. Was there 1 glaring thing that you wish,
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[136:41.100 --> 136:49.320] I wish I could have did this while I was still CEO? I'll even make it relatable to us. I mean like you know Ian's
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[136:49.320 --> 136:57.460] Ian's such a good dude that you know, he was taking my word on some things and like You know, I told him I told him hey, you know There was
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[136:57.460 --> 137:05.460] always there's there were a number of times where you know Whether it be like the house hand about about the hand the keys over But I had to keep a little that
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[137:05.460 --> 137:14.020] a little closer to the vest. Close to the chassis, yeah. This deal was happening, so I'm hopeful that, they're gonna
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[137:14.020 --> 137:22.020] take care of what needs to get taken care of. Unfortunately, it got caught up in this time and stuff. And so that really did wear on
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[137:22.020 --> 137:30.200] me. That's more we talk about kind of off-camera and stuff. But it's just like those little examples that just like,
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[137:30.980 --> 137:39.020] this is personal. For sure. Some investors may not understand it like we understand it on the
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[137:39.020 --> 137:47.380] inside. Jay, what you shared about listening to this podcast
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[137:48.020 --> 137:56.880] while you were developing and just having this on the screen with the style and just all of the conversations, all the entrepreneurial conversations that fucking
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[137:57.960 --> 138:06.100] started early on this podcast. Like it was important for me to hear you say that. The same as it's important when I hear
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[138:06.100 --> 138:14.240] like some of my mom friends be like, listen, I heard y'all, I quit my job at a school as a teacher. Like that just kind
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[138:14.760 --> 138:23.260] of community of people that are wired a little differently and some place where risk takers just yeah
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[138:24.560 --> 138:32.840] Yeah, but it's even more than just a risk taker. There's some people going to work every day that are risk takers, but When you just wired differently
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[138:32.840 --> 138:40.860] and there being a hub of people that you feel like kind of understand that like that's always been important to me from day 1 here so to hear you say that and the
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[138:40.860 --> 138:48.880] other people say that's extremely important to me I want to say that to you while you're here also with you Adam fucking The way that you don't gatekeep
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[138:49.060 --> 138:57.200] information, like for somebody that's in your position, like you truly want to see other people win. And again,
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[138:57.200 --> 139:06.220] I based that off a lot of the talks that have been had behind the scenes, but you know, anything that somebody need that's going to help them with
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[139:06.480 --> 139:14.760] bring their idea to fruition like you're there, hey contact this person, hey this person might be able to help you, hey talk to this lawyer,
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[139:14.760 --> 139:22.860] like That stuff doesn't go unnoticed and it's not something that I believe is so common today. So
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[139:22.860 --> 139:31.460] I want to thank you. I want to thank you for that. It's important to me. And Ian. It's 2 way street. And Ian. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Do
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[139:31.460 --> 139:39.500] you guys have any final questions for Jay and Adam? These guys are awesome. I can keep you all. This was important for me for
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[139:39.500 --> 139:47.500] you guys to come here. I got a quick question. Please, please. When it came, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I mean we were only the the
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[139:47.500 --> 139:55.600] second outside group that y'all brought into JBP Yes, so I would love to hear what those original conversations looked like, you know before you know
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[139:55.600 --> 140:03.720] We're some of y'all playing prize fees that what I heard and like just like that kind of happened organically or like we're y'all Looking for something like us these these guys Even
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[140:03.720 --> 140:11.820] playing Price Picks every day for a few years now. But it was a funny story that had happened. I'm sure Ian would do the
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[140:11.820 --> 140:19.820] same. We gotta give a lot of the credit to Katie. Katie's amazing. But at that time, we were
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[140:20.220 --> 140:28.280] doing our due diligence on different partnerships and different companies and how that might work. And I think before Prize Peaks, we brought a
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[140:28.280 --> 140:36.320] couple of other people in here and they just, again, like I said, how y'all have that maverick, renegade
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[140:36.540 --> 140:45.180] shit resonates. When we were speaking to some of the other companies, it was very apparent in the first 10
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[140:45.180 --> 140:53.460] minutes that you don't get it. And that's important to me in doing deals and not that when Katie came we felt like
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[140:53.460 --> 141:01.460] she would get it but we did say you'll get it in 3 months and that's exactly what what
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[141:01.460 --> 141:09.460] happened we We did the deal and I think it's been great. It's just been great all around the board. It's just been awesome, what do you
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[141:09.460 --> 141:17.480] wanna say? It's been a fun ride. Yeah. And it ain't going anywhere, so. I absolutely love it. It's been 1 of my favorite partnerships. That's good
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[141:17.480 --> 141:25.740] to know. And on that note, I'm just, you know, about this deal that we did, you know, I'm just glad that we can look you in the eye and mean it when we when we say that like hey I'm
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[141:25.740 --> 141:33.900] not going anywhere I got I got plenty of motivation to stay engaged you know across the board so you know I'm looking forward
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[141:33.900 --> 141:41.940] to what's in the future and how we can build this thing bigger and better. Same. Same. I got a few passion projects I'm working on myself. You know
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[141:41.940 --> 141:50.620] what I mean? We gotta be in touch about. But thank you guys. Thank you. Both Jay, Adam. Congrats. Congratulations. The
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[141:50.680 --> 141:58.680] marriage. You said last week. Last weekend. Did you take a 1 year? Why are you here? What are you doing? I was joking with the guys. I was like, I don't
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[141:58.680 --> 142:06.800] know which 1 I was more excited about, last weekend or this weekend. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Bro, you're a ghost. That's a great 1. Don't celebrate, though.
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[142:08.140 --> 142:16.360] For entrepreneurs and builders, any final pieces of advice, because I know we're in a difficult time economically, what advice would you give them to get through
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[142:16.360 --> 142:24.440] whatever tumult that we're gonna go through in the next year or so. It's a tough 1. I would say, I think there's no better time to start
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[142:24.440 --> 142:32.780] a business than right now because of what's going on in AI. And like as cliche as that sounds, I can't repeat it enough. So I don't know, I talk to a lot of people that are trying to plan everything perfectly,
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[142:32.780 --> 142:41.220] and I think Adam would probably back this, but it's just like, just get started, put out the product. If you're not embarrassed about it, you're taking too long. It's all those kind of one-on-one
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[142:41.220 --> 142:49.240] maxims, I think. But I do think it's the best time ever for a solo person to go start a business. For sure. 5. Yeah, I mean, I build on that and
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[142:49.240 --> 142:57.600] say, you know, just, you know, you gotta get those reps in. So, I mean, even if you're failing, you know, fail fast, that's a common kind of, you know, vernacular that's
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[142:57.600 --> 143:05.880] always been a part of, like, the tech scene, and then just keep networking. You never know who's gonna open your next door. So
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[143:06.460 --> 143:14.480] I grinded for a long time, and I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but I'm a hustler, and I've got resiliency.
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[143:15.060 --> 143:23.100] And that's my favorite compliment to get is just how resilient I can be. So. When's the next kickback? That's my
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[143:23.100 --> 143:31.300] last question. My last and final question. When is the next kickback? The charcuterie was to die for. To Miami. Even
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[143:31.300 --> 143:39.640] though I'm a Dolphins fan. We got to do it in Miami. Yeah, yeah. I would absolutely love to come out there. Look at me shaking ass now.
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[143:40.140 --> 143:48.140] Oh, fuck. What? That's some good ass shaking. A little brick on booby trap. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen,
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[143:48.140 --> 143:56.220] make some noise. Jay and Adam. Yes, sir! That's the fucking unicorn, yo. Hey, not that I need to say it, but
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[143:56.220 --> 144:04.260] our door is always open. Well, we're partners. Yeah, well, if we weren't partners, our door would always be open indeed. There we go. Thank you guys
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[144:09.920 --> 144:18.040] That was that was awesome that was fire really glad they came up here I was trying to schedule them for a little while and then that blizzard happened so they couldn't
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[144:18.040 --> 144:26.160] fly in and then this morning even I thought they were still canceled just because those important dudes but it was important for them to show
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[144:26.160 --> 144:34.520] up and again y'all know how I feel about that I love that and come up here and tell your fucking story too ain't it dope ain't it got a dope ass story inspiration
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[144:34.660 --> 144:42.680] yeah it ain't like it's no bullshit My problem with them and that role, like if it was us,
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[144:43.300 --> 144:51.680] we couldn't be that humble. Nigga. Like it seemed like with that we showed up with that rowing came from you gotta always be humble like Jay
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[144:55.420 --> 145:03.960] It's a part of the training yeah, they were trained it was the media training it was right. I'm telling you There's
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[145:03.960 --> 145:12.420] a CEO training this is mad a bunch of They can't act like we didn't get that training. They give 1 at NYU. They give 1 at Columbia.
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[145:12.540 --> 145:20.660] I'm dead-ass. No, no, I'm going when God says time not to go to NYU and prepare for when the God gonna give it to me right
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[145:20.660 --> 145:28.780] when it's time. The training? Yeah. We'll do that. Yeah. That's how much faith I have. Ask your grandparents. Do you believe you won't get to that level
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[145:28.780 --> 145:37.400] until you are humble enough to receive it? Do you think some people don't get that next level of wealth because they will act an ass in public? Nah.
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[145:37.920 --> 145:46.600] I think getting over yourself is part of it. It's part of the journey to that level of wealth. Part of that is getting over yourself. What'd
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[145:46.600 --> 145:54.640] you say, Amani? No, because I feel like we've seen people from our demographic get to that level of wealth and still Hold on
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[145:54.640 --> 146:02.760] that act the ass a little bit. Are there not a lot but yeah We still see it's something I was about to say like who? It's a bunch.
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[146:02.900 --> 146:10.980] Not a bunch. Well, 50, probably not 50. Give me some, give me some. I mean not a bunch. I mean it's not a bunch. I don't think it's a bunch. What number? It's some. What dollar amount we talking about here?
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[146:10.980 --> 146:19.040] And some of them we don't know because they don't come from an entertainment arena. We just won't tell you. We just won't tell you. Yeah, we don't come from an entertainment arena. Kanye got to that level and acted a ass. I'm not to my rich, I'm to
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[146:19.040 --> 146:27.440] my wealthy. Kanye got to that level and acted an ass, but Robert Smith. You need to use that point. Robert Smith, he don't seem to trade it. Yeah, I don't think Kanye got to that level and acted an ass. No, he always did. I think he was always
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[146:27.720 --> 146:35.760] an ass. True. But that's what we saying, like you get to that level and now I think whoever you was before the money
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[146:35.760 --> 146:43.780] the money just to amplify it. If you was an asshole before money you're gonna be a bigger asshole with more money. Do you always believe that? Because you have to develop yourself to be a better person to get
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[146:43.780 --> 146:52.260] to those levels. That's not true. That's not true especially if you talented. If you talented your talent can take you to places that that
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[146:52.720 --> 147:00.720] Okay, what number are we talking? Cuz you're not stumbling to know for these 50s and hundreds We know a lot of shitty ass wealthy billionaires out here You're
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[147:00.720 --> 147:09.120] not stumbling to know 50 bro. No, but you could be talented enough to take you to 50 and still be a dick. For sure. That's what I'm saying.
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[147:09.300 --> 147:17.300] You said- But there's not a lot of them. Those are the anomalies. There ain't a bunch of people at 50 million in the world. I'm just saying that you can definitely be a dick
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[147:17.300 --> 147:25.740] and get to 50 million. You can, yeah, you can. I think it's more of a rarity than a commonality. Nah, I think it's the other way around.
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[147:26.220 --> 147:34.840] I think the people that you said it's a rarity, I think maybe them people just wasn't dicks to begin with. Yeah, true. Yeah,
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[147:34.840 --> 147:42.860] true. That's all it is. Yo, whoever you was, is who you gonna be. I don't think people have to modify their personality. I don't even think people- A lot of people
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[147:42.860 --> 147:50.920] do though. No, some will, and some will temporarily to get the money. And then once they get the money, then it's back on to
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[147:50.920 --> 147:59.120] who they used to be. Like niggas will play the role and be diplomatic. Yeah, they'll be diplomatic and they'll do all of the, you know what I'm saying? Hey,
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[147:59.120 --> 148:07.120] yeah, is that a fashion? I've just personally seen the other side of it. Like I've seen people not have a lot, they're seeing they break through a ceiling and they change
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[148:07.120 --> 148:15.300] and become better. As a result to then continue to get to the next level. Were they dicks though? Some of them were. If you don't think
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[148:15.300 --> 148:23.360] like Vlad 10 of Robin Hood isn't a shark, he is, but he's learned how to tame it
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[148:23.360 --> 148:31.800] in public and become a better person as he's ascended. Same with Robin Smith. That's just in public though, you still could be a dick. I'm talking about the people like I may know in private.
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[148:31.900 --> 148:39.900] Like they adapted over time to become better humans. That's possible because once you climb the ladder, you lose some of those insecurities that you might've had that made
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[148:39.900 --> 148:48.080] you a dick. That's a possibility. A lot of those people still hold on to those insecurities and try to cover it up with their money. So I hear what you're saying,
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[148:48.080 --> 148:56.320] but I think just the way the industry's set up. So talk about what I'm talking about, right? A little bit. But just like how the industry's is set up, just how we are affected by the industry's, it tends
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[148:56.320 --> 149:04.700] to speak to there being more dickheads in control and more people who don't give a fuck about the common man, then it being the other case. Parks Joe,
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[149:04.700 --> 149:12.780] what you think? I'm totally on your side with this 1. I'm not saying that what y'all are saying, I'm not saying what
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[149:12.780 --> 149:20.820] y'all are saying don't happen. Yeah, it does happen. But more often than not, yeah, I just think
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[149:20.820 --> 149:28.900] it's the other way. I think there's too many people. And again, what numbers are we talking about? I'm talking about astronomical numbers. Yeah. You said wealthy, so when you speak to wealth. No, but I'm not talking about
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[149:28.900 --> 149:37.020] rapper wealthy. I'm not talking about wealthy. Me either. No one's talking about me. But with a lot of these people, we don't know how they were prior to them getting rich because we got
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[149:37.020 --> 149:45.140] introduced to them at a certain level of money already. They wouldn't even be in our sphere if we didn't know them for being rich. Like it might've been a mother fucking
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[149:45.140 --> 149:53.300] Kentucky shooting a cattle. Like you don't know what the fuck going on these people be doing in their lives We just get introduced to them when they already up We didn't
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[149:53.300 --> 150:01.480] see their ascension We just got introduced to them when they up and they could be nice people when they up They could have been nice people like I say All along you hear them
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[150:01.480 --> 150:09.780] saying like I don't know so I can't really okay, but I guess what I'm saying in Celebrities the wrong word, but in
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[150:09.960 --> 150:18.760] this uber wealthy world The dickheads are like fucking What's
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[150:18.760 --> 150:26.940] up, what's the old clipper? What's the old clippers? Owner that was racist racist behind closed doors Whatever you are in your house or whatever you are
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[150:26.940 --> 150:35.260] behind closed doors or you a dickhead to your network, cool. I just don't see many cases where it behooves you to publicly
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[150:35.460 --> 150:43.500] be known that way. I don't see it. That's why most celebrities shut up. Most people shut up. Like there's a script that you follow. Oh, you might learn to play the game. Well, that's what I said, because
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[150:43.500 --> 150:51.560] those who be the dickheads, they don't necessarily stay at that level for so long. Y'all talk about playing the game in comparison to someone's natural nature and how they are.
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[150:51.560 --> 150:59.800] Yeah, I'm talking about their natural state. We will never really know no one's real natural state. Their natural state, like they have evolved to be better people.
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[150:59.800 --> 151:07.920] Oh, see, I don't beg to know anybody's natural state. And that's what I'm speaking to. I don't pretend to know who anyone is in their heart of hearts. That's what I mean.
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[151:07.920 --> 151:15.960] But I know for the, well, for most of the people, I know, like, I don't think, I don't think Adam gets there if he's a dick. He don't
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[151:15.960 --> 151:24.000] get to where he's trying to go. Whoever he's trying to partner with, whoever he's trying to sell to, team build, think tank. It's a roadblock on the way
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[151:24.000 --> 151:32.060] out. He had to be a leader of men. You heard what he said? I had a staff of 30. It went down to 1. We went through the pandemic. We crashed in 2015.
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[151:32.320 --> 151:40.380] We was broke, couldn't pay nobody. That equity don't mean shit on paper. I got it. And he didn't have to do that equity part either. You're not, he said a lot of solid, stand up
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[151:40.380 --> 151:48.440] dude type of shit. I don't think if he's, when he go home, he could be a dick. But if he's just running around like a dick, I don't think
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[151:48.440 --> 151:56.600] he gets I don't think he is a dick. I don't think which which in the shit he spoke to spoke to I wasn't a dick before the money. All right I'll use I'll use me if I were
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[151:56.600 --> 152:04.780] to and I'm a dick still so let's taper that. I think you've become much cooler than Richard you've gotten. Thank you. Well, we've said we yeah, we've
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[152:06.240 --> 152:15.000] Dickish yeah Yeah More generous everything. Yeah, I don't think I could get where I'm trying to go if I were my old level of dickhead
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[152:15.320 --> 152:23.760] or old level of arrogant or pompous or obnoxious. I'm not saying those things don't exist, but the level
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[152:23.900 --> 152:32.320] of them. So if we're trying to go, but you just put a roadblock in front of yourself. I also think the industry that you're in and the industry that Adams
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[152:32.320 --> 152:40.480] in, like it would lend to you needing to be more personable to go ahead and kind of climb up in the ranks. There's other industries that don't really
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[152:40.780 --> 152:48.840] need you to be a personality in that way, where you can be a dick and people expect you to be a dick. What industries are those? Entertainment. And you're
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[152:48.840 --> 152:57.120] at the top of the top in your field. I'm saying for you and Adam, you guys essentially are in the field of entertainment. Even if this is
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[152:57.120 --> 153:05.160] considered sports betting, there's still some level of entertainment that plays into it. So the higher he goes up, he's needing to have a certain level of personality to connect with some
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[153:05.160 --> 153:13.440] of that entertainment thing. I would argue both are tech businesses. Yeah. I mean okay. See I think now, that's what I was going to interject to, Imani
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[153:13.440 --> 153:21.580] was saying, I think over here when Adam and them are starting out, he can't be pompous. He can if he is.
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[153:21.580 --> 153:29.580] Not when he's starting out. It just don't behoove you to be that. Bro, you gotta play the game when you at a low level, you gotta play the game in the tech world. It's motherfuckers that look
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[153:29.580 --> 153:37.740] at him like a gnat when you starting out and I could squish you. Over here in this particular form. Draft King felt that way and he still wasn't a Dixie. You know what I'm saying? Like over
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[153:37.740 --> 153:46.460] here in this particular form, when you started out, you were arguably the fucking Lewis and Clark of urban podcasting.
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[153:46.660 --> 153:54.740] So you setting your own trail, ain't nobody that you gotta be nice to. Lewis and Clark were trailblazing explorers. Yeah,
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[153:54.740 --> 154:04.140] I was like, who the fuck is that? I thought Lewis and Clark was the name of the Superman show when it went to TV. When
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[154:04.140 --> 154:16.840] Superman was just a regular paperboy it was Lois and Clark Most
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[154:16.880 --> 154:24.980] rich people I know are fairly cool. They're fucking cool. They have good integrity. I can't speak to integrity because you never know what they
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[154:24.980 --> 154:33.080] had to do to get to where they got but You think it's more assholes that are rich versus those who are down? If you just look at the comments and shit that we all go through. I don't
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[154:33.080 --> 154:41.300] think so. It's a great question. Come on, man. No, I don't think so. Okay. I mean, that's a smaller pool to pull from. There ain't that many rich motherfuckers.
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[154:41.600 --> 154:49.780] That's not true. Numbers-wise? What do you define as rich? Well, it's a very, there's a lot more not rich people like this is called the 1% for a reason
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[154:49.900 --> 154:57.960] It's called the rich for a reason. Yeah, it's a lot of you rich You fight for definition you fight rich Porter rich ball
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[154:57.960 --> 155:06.040] my fucking I don't know why well, yes I do know why you did not just my definition. Yeah. Yeah, I think my definition. Yeah, which portal He tried throw niggas
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[155:06.040 --> 155:19.300] off with their skully. They smell the scent. Mm-hmm Smell like that rich cologne Yeah,
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[155:19.460 --> 155:27.480] We all are in a minority. Uh-huh. Some a little
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[155:27.480 --> 155:35.620] more minor than others. Hero minor. Yeah. And I just believe in, not that the fans
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[155:35.620 --> 155:45.060] will believe it, but I truly do believe in the energy that comes along with being a good person. For sure. Yeah.
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[155:45.060 --> 155:53.300] Like there's something to that. Like Jay sat there and said, y'all I was building this shit, I was up all night, I was avoiding it, but I had y'all on the TV,
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[155:53.300 --> 156:01.380] I'm listening to y'all, y'all were driving me, y'all were inspiring me. Like I feel like when you're a good person, those little pockets start to unearth themselves and connect the
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[156:01.380 --> 156:09.400] dots and it leads you to other good people or people that you'll need to know along the way. I just feel like if you're a dick you blocked. I mean I've been on
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[156:09.400 --> 156:17.440] the other side of that. I've been blackballed, blocked out of deals, blocked out of buildings. Just the whole companies that I'll never be able to speak to just because I
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[156:17.440 --> 156:25.680] know what time it is over there. Like, I've been on the other side of that. And when you've experienced that, shit, why would you want to live like that?
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[156:25.680 --> 156:33.900] It don't feel good. It's a detriment. Yeah, it don't feel good at all. People call you hype 1 day, yo, we're gonna close this. The next day, yo, we gotta take that off the table.
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[156:33.900 --> 156:42.160] Out of the blue, Now you just home trying to figure out what the fuck what what happened? No, not what happened You was a dickhead to homeboy that held the door at Nordstrom's. He just happened
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[156:42.160 --> 156:50.180] to be the Son of the CEO of the company that you dealing with and talking to is just like a chain. It's a chain. But the outcome's
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[156:50.180 --> 156:58.620] back. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, exactly, man. I'm glad they came. Yeah, that was dope. That was really dope. Really dope. They
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[156:58.620 --> 157:06.920] were so great. I don't even want to waste you guys' time with fucking Tommy Lee and fucking Solange's son. That's a wild
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[157:06.920 --> 157:14.920] follow up to this billionaire talk shit that we just. We definitely not do that. So let's not do that. Yeah, I don't wanna waste y'all time with that.
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[157:14.920 --> 157:23.050] They inspired me too much. I'm ready to go learn. Solange and Tommy, right? All right, all right. I'm
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[157:23.140 --> 157:32.620] ready to go learn how to spell. You said he got some spelling shit coming, huh? That's fire, that's fire. Take that caviar. You
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[157:32.620 --> 157:40.700] figured it out, Noah. Any of the letters with the funny squiggly line on top, it just be like whatever, man. There's no squiggly line. What's no squiggly line on Capitol? See, there's
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[157:40.700 --> 157:48.900] no squiggly line. It's just like with a dot in the eye. It's called the dot, nigga. This nigga just passed a sign on a restaurant and thought the squiggly
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[157:48.900 --> 157:57.080] was really in the world. That's exactly what happened. That is exactly what happened. The squiggly
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[157:57.080 --> 158:05.100] was out here, he said it's the red 1 underneath the shit. This nigga's crazy. I better make some money if I can't spell. Oh god.
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[158:07.520 --> 158:15.859] Ian, how long you here man? What's up? It's Friday, Friday morning. We outside tomorrow? Are you going to be allowed to? Don't do that. Come on. I
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[158:15.859 --> 158:23.940] don't want to operate in my ego. Last time we was at the bar, big things popping with me and you was at that bar last time now. We had to fight them
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[158:23.940 --> 158:32.020] off. I don't know how you do it, my boy. I'ma say that every time. That's your line, huh, when you go, I'm Joe? Joe bagging them. Yeah, I
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[158:32.020 --> 158:40.460] know. Oh, shit. Yeah, it was a good time. Yeah, no, let's step out tomorrow. Yeah, I'm down. I think my girl should be on a flight by then.
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[158:40.460 --> 158:48.480] We gotta see. She better go to the airport now. Delays. Them airports is bad. They're sick out there. How was your travel? How was your joint? Mine was smooth, but everybody
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[158:48.480 --> 158:56.720] else I know who's been traveling this week This should been terrible PJ No, I'm bad investment I gotta ask Adam
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[158:56.720 --> 159:05.660] bars playing I feel it up though, but you want to talk about somebody who's gonna make some bad investments. Who? Me. No.
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[159:05.660 --> 159:14.060] I'm doing it. That's a decoy. You gonna get a plane? I'm not gonna buy 1. Gotcha, okay. I'm not gonna buy 1, but I'm gonna utilize 1
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[159:14.060 --> 159:22.120] here and there, not for my next trip, but these airport pictures. Insane, bro. But it was outside. I'll let you know Friday though. Yeah and I think I'm in Houston too. You think
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[159:22.120 --> 159:30.260] it was outside or like to get any. I can't do that. Atlanta, yo I don't like Atlanta period. Period Atlanta airport. Yo Atlanta bro. We're going on a regular period. I don't like Atlanta on a normal day bro. That shit is different bro. AirTran
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[159:30.260 --> 159:38.360] or next year. That shit is, what? Terminal year. But the other day I was traveling,
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[159:38.360 --> 159:46.640] yo, I knew I was gonna be fucked. Thursday night. Where you was coming from? DC. Yo, I got to the airport at 9.36. My flight
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[159:46.640 --> 159:54.740] was 9.50. They start boarding my flight at 9.50. PM. Yo, I get out, I'm like fuck. I run in, because I usually fly to Reagan, I fly
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[159:54.740 --> 160:02.840] to Dallas. So I don't fly to Dallas often. I get there, it's packed, outside is packed. I get out the Uber, I go
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[160:02.840 --> 160:10.940] in, it's empty in that bitch. I run to TSA, no pre-check after 09:00, it's done. I go through, nothing. Then
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[160:10.940 --> 160:19.080] I'm like, yo, I flew out of gate D1. I'm like, yo, gate D, they like, you gotta get on the shuttle. I'm like, oh shit. They
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[160:19.080 --> 160:27.340] said the shuttle run every 5 minutes. I get on the shuttle, it's open. It says it's leaving in 2 minutes, 38 seconds. I'm sitting in there like, I get out,
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[160:27.340 --> 160:35.460] gate D, but I'm D1, so I'm the very last fucking gate. So I'm running, running, running. I get, I'm like, oh, I got time for water. Like I'm chilling now. Like the
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[160:35.460 --> 160:43.480] airport was that empty. You know what I'm saying? But it wasn't nothing. Yeah, it was like that. You push it to the limit with the nighttime flights. Do you prefer the nighttime flights
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[160:43.480 --> 160:52.100] over the morning flights? Like get some extra time in the city? No, I don't spend my ass shitting jobs here. Don't answer that question. I'm
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[160:52.780 --> 161:02.560] working. I'm going to ask him a regular question. I'm working. You want to spend more time in the city? Hwaam Thursdays. Hwaam
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[161:02.560 --> 161:10.939] Thursdays. You got to get a Hwaam Thursday. I'm farting my wham Thursdays. Oh,
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[161:11.880 --> 161:20.740] man. Gotta get a little whammy off. I wanted to ask them, Not that it was important at all. How good they are at Jenga. I
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[161:20.740 --> 161:28.780] just wanted to ask them about normal games. Like not tech games, not sports games, app games. Just
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[161:28.780 --> 161:37.040] a regular, how good are you at just sorry? What's the other 1? The operator shit, come on. Yeah, come on,
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[161:37.280 --> 161:46.820] regular games. Trouble out. Trouble, hungry, hungry. Every game they ever thought of, billions attached. But
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[161:46.820 --> 161:55.000] you see, he fell mad times before he hit. Yeah. Resilience. He failed twice. A lot of motherfuckers failed, especially this pandemic
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[161:55.000 --> 162:03.120] shit, and there is no, there wasn't no next time for a lot of people. Yeah, I don't know if I'm just a weirdo. Yeah, that's true. A weirdo or what, but
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[162:03.200 --> 162:11.400] I truly love when, I love when people are telling a story and we get to the pandemic part. I get super
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[162:11.400 --> 162:19.420] excited about that. I get to hear how we flourished or how we just encountered some shit, had
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[162:19.420 --> 162:27.540] to fold. Like the pandemic in any story is always super interesting to me. It was an interesting time. I want to hear what you did then. The world was too upside down. I
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[162:27.540 --> 162:35.780] know I used to drive and shit. So I'm running into like owners of companies that I used to fuck with, you know, during the pandemic. Done.
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[162:36.020 --> 162:45.060] And I'm like, oh, Sean, how you been? Yeah, you know, I had to close the shop up or you ride past here and it used to be this spot that's been there for 30, 40 years. And done.
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[162:45.060 --> 162:53.100] And I'm like, God damn, them 2? Them 2, yeah, bro, that shit, fuck, niggas ain't making through there. In the service industry, restaurants, a lot of them
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[162:53.100 --> 163:01.120] shits went under. Oh yeah, yeah. They got hit hard. A lot of them shits went under. They got hit hard. I dealt with a lot of print shops, so imagine that. The game already
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[163:01.120 --> 163:09.180] changing. Service industry, yeah. With everything going digital. So you fighting that battle, now the pandemic comes? Right, yeah. Oh, it was over. I got,
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[163:09.180 --> 163:17.300] yeah, I give the pandemic award for me just has to go to OnlyFans. Just how could it not? Rest in peace to homeboy. Yeah, he just
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[163:17.300 --> 163:25.380] passed. But how could it not? Like, wow. No, a lot of that digital shit. When he started talking about
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[163:25.380 --> 163:33.420] the Atlanta comedy scene during the pandemic, a lot of that shit because them niggas switched to that online content. You know what I'm saying? A lot of
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[163:33.420 --> 163:41.500] them niggas came up. That shit, yo, the pandemic made a lot of people it showed who you really was inside. Yep. Like,
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[163:41.500 --> 163:49.760] yo, either you had it. It was a hustle or hustle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people didn't know that they had that. And it's like, yo, ain't no more money, bills is due, kids is hungry,
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[163:49.760 --> 163:58.380] we're gonna make a way. And they thriving today because of that shit. That's true. Yeah, some of my favorite times back then. For sure. Good
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[163:58.380 --> 164:08.000] old days. Beside all the fucked up shit. Of course. Of course. But no, it was. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
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[164:08.000 --> 164:16.020] Besides the death. Yeah. Yeah, but no traffic. Yeah, I was just thinking, it was dog. Death is rough. You
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[164:16.020 --> 164:24.500] can walk on Fifth Avenue. Traffic in the city at 430. Clean air. Clean air, what? Clean air, where'd you go? Oh, clean air, what?
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[164:24.960 --> 164:33.160] Huh? Holy shit. Death is tough though, I mean you make a good point? It gets crazy. I mean you ain't do too bad on this couch together
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[164:33.160 --> 164:41.620] man. Y'all should do this more. I'm gonna hold you. It's a good fit. It is. He make you look good on the couch, B.
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[164:44.540 --> 164:52.560] He normally fit good after I go. All right. All that no. All that no. All that no. All that no. He don't even really fit. He normally a
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[164:52.560 --> 165:00.720] good fit. If shit don't even fit I be like damn. After I finish he normally a good fit. Oh shit man, tight. Somebody was in here before. I don't want to sit
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[165:00.720 --> 165:08.800] on no couch next to this thing. I don't fuck with him like that. But it wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. We did it. You a virgin? A virgin,
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[165:08.800 --> 165:16.840] you know better than that. What'd you say? That's what I'm asking. Yeah, I know, I know that's what you be. You ask a lot more than that. Hey, get back to me. I don't.
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[165:16.860 --> 165:24.940] Hey, get back to me. Hey, get back to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, they not holding it down. That's his problem. He think they be holding it down.
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[165:25.200 --> 165:33.380] They talk. Listen Patronis, this has been Totally awesome. What a time. Thank
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[165:33.380 --> 165:41.580] you guys for joining us. Hopefully you enjoyed us and our guests. And this has just been a time, man. Thank you so
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[165:41.580 --> 165:49.620] much. You guys enjoy the rest of your day. Enjoy the weekend. Till next time. We're gone. Love y'all.
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[165:49.620 --> 165:51.160] Peace, peace, love and happiness.