—[100:03.500 --> 100:11.520] girls think that they are comfortable, they airy. I don't got to. Man, you can air your looks. It's great to air that pussy up. Yeah, I didn't want to say it. I'll
—[100:11.520 --> 100:19.520] let you say it. There ain't nothing better than a sundress. Today, that's old woman attire. And mu-mus are getting very popular with younger girls. That is true.
—[100:19.700 --> 100:28.040] It's comfortable. And you don't have to wear no panties. The maxi dress has replaced the sundress? Has the maxi dress replaced the sundress? The onesie, the
—[100:28.420 --> 100:36.780] onesie shit. We got to see what this summer brings. Yeah, onesies is popular. The tight onesie shit is the more go-to now than anything. I hate those power-range aggressive ass bitches.
—[100:36.900 --> 100:45.040] Mona, when it's warm, what's your go-to? Just a jerk. The dickie. A dickie? Caterpillar.
—[100:46.840 --> 100:55.160] Car heart. Car heart. And some chukkas. Nah, probably, Keep ready to run to the swap meet. Yo, she got her script shit on today. I don't know, like shorts.
—[100:55.380 --> 101:03.420] You need shorts? I don't know, but I'm a sundress person for sure. That's what I was asking you to do. I'm a Sun Dressed person. I like shorts. I'm not like the athletic wear person. I wear that shit to
—[101:03.420 --> 101:11.520] the gym. I don't get dressed in there I never caught on the lulu lemon that I loosh it. Are you a lingerie girl? Kind of I'm big on just what I wear
—[101:11.520 --> 101:19.700] to be a period weather whatever's going on. You know what I mean? So if I feel like Casual then I'm gonna have matching pajamas on. I feel like being sexy,
—[101:19.700 --> 101:28.100] I'm gonna have lingerie on. But it's very important what I wear to sleep, though. Is any of y'all people still like a lingerie person? Nah, shit. I'm not a lingerie dude.
—[101:28.100 --> 101:36.160] I love lingerie. It look, man. I appreciate that. I'm definitely, yeah. You want to take 1, Dre? Hell yeah.
—[101:36.180 --> 101:44.340] Like how could you not be? It's like a waste of time. Yeah, that shit is overrated. And that's the thing, for me it's not about a man, like whether I'm sleeping with a man or not, I still want to feel the
—[101:44.340 --> 101:52.400] fabrics on me, I want to look, you know. I'm a boy short. That nigga is a freak. Tank top nigga. But that's what I mean, sometimes I'm in the mood for that shit.
—[101:52.520 --> 102:00.820] You want to get straight to the point now? I just like the way that like if a girl got a Chick I like a fat ass with some Sweatpants
—[102:00.900 --> 102:09.200] on like loose sweatpants little tank top t-shirt crop top hair tie Niggas not romance no more Just that's what it is
—[102:09.960 --> 102:18.080] Just give it a big-ass promo t-shirt with this hole in it I don't see I don't see how nigga like issue likes to talk a lot when like, you know you like
—[102:18.080 --> 102:26.180] to talk and get into that mind. The talk is for play for him. So he won't have to do the other thing. So you want to get straight to the point when it comes down to it. The talk is where the manipulation
—[102:26.280 --> 102:34.820] is happening. Longer they don't go for you. The talk is where the manipulation is happening. You and them. You and them. Lil' trauma bond, you right there. Right.
—[102:35.380 --> 102:43.480] It's just not my thing. It's not really been my thing. Do y'all wear pajamas, or you just wear drawers to bed? Bucket-nockers. You sleep naked? I be
—[102:43.480 --> 102:51.600] willing to pool with it sometimes. And scoot up. You wear what? Like, willing to pool. Willing to pool, you know. That too? That tooed up? You do willing
—[102:51.600 --> 102:59.620] to pool? Yeah. Sometimes. Finally a friend. What the fuck? I thought I was tripping when you first there. That's crazy. Are you joking? No, Dad. Winnie the Pooh is fire, yo. Do what though? Like
—[102:59.620 --> 103:07.740] Winnie the Pooh. Yo, why you got the t-shirt on? T-shirt. And you don't got no drawers on? Yeah. That's crazy.
—[103:07.740 --> 103:16.180] So you telling me your chest get cold, but your balls don't? Yo, I forgot to let him in. My balls is under the blanket, nigga. So is your chest. So is your chest. No, I sit up in bed.
—[103:16.440 --> 103:24.580] I be cold. The fact that I sit up in bed. That is insane. I never heard of anybody do that till now. I'm bad Indians down, nigga. Balls just smacking on your thighs. Just walking through that ball and smacking. Yeah, you gotta let it be a wrap sometimes, man. True, but
—[103:24.580 --> 103:32.900] come on. Or I might wear a box of Reese's foot. Big
—[103:32.900 --> 103:40.900] t-shirt dick out is crazy. You want me to pool in the bed with your lady? That is insane. I'm done yet. My niggas can't even walk around like that. I'm going to have a problem with that. Or you
—[103:40.900 --> 103:49.140] keep going. Yeah, be cool. Hey. Y'all be chilling? Freaking cool. I be chilling. You chill? How would you break? Keno
—[103:49.140 --> 103:59.480] too. Keno, Winnie, poor girl. It's nippy. Crazy. But why do you want your dick cold? Exactly, what about your penis? They like the feel, I guess. I don't know. They tingle. Let's put
—[103:59.480 --> 104:07.660] that shirt on the other 1. You have sex with your shirt? Just your shirt on? Yeah. Or I might take it off, put it like, you know what I mean? Over the... I hate
—[104:07.660 --> 104:16.140] a nigga that hit me like that. I hate a nigga that hit me like that. B-Dot, B-Dot, B-Dot. You're going to have to be spooked. Wait
—[104:16.140 --> 104:24.440] a goddamn second. Where you at? South, where you from? South Ozone nigga? If you don't get your South, get back to South South Jamaica. What
—[104:24.440 --> 104:32.660] the fuck are you talking about? You take your shirt off and put it on your neck nigga? You have a t-shirt on, you smash, you just, you never done it all right there? Or just take it off! I'm busy!
—[104:33.040 --> 104:41.140] I'm a grown fucking man, busy what? Listen to albums and writing the f- Hold on, hold on. A song is on. Let me write this down. Fuck! But it do seem like it would be just easier
—[104:41.140 --> 104:49.280] to take it off. It's too much. It's too much to do that. Yes. Now your neck like just a whole Yeah exactly And
—[104:49.280 --> 104:57.340] then after you're done just put it right back on Oh my god Should all stretched out and crazy I knew that on the beat off On
—[104:57.340 --> 105:05.480] the beat off I'll be feeling tough too. Like I do. Like Rambo? Yeah,
—[105:05.700 --> 105:14.180] I'll be feeling. You're finally jerking off with your shirt on. Yeah. He let them restrain. Like you worked out.
—[105:16.100 --> 105:24.440] Last word. What they talking about? I don't care about what you think about me. Yo, you niggas is different. Well, y'all are dumb and
—[105:24.520 --> 105:32.520] horny and have a lot of ego. Yo, any man listening, don't be sleeping with your t-shirt on, no drawers. Yeah, that shit out of pocket, bro. That is
—[105:32.520 --> 105:40.520] some weird shit. When you wake up, you just, no. Put your drawers on? I ain't sleeping naked. No, I'm pooing. Nigga, either sleep naked or sleep with a a
—[105:40.520 --> 105:49.400] box pulling is blowing me yo who the fuck is walking around whining to pull stacks that
—[105:49.400 --> 105:57.440] is sick of I was so confused at first I thought he was talking about Winnie the Pooh pajamas. I was confused at first. Pooh in this freak. Order in
—[105:57.440 --> 106:05.780] the pod, order in the pod. Yes, Keno does that-ish. What'd you say, Mullen? When B. Dot first said it, I thought he was talking about Winnie the Pooh pajamas.
—[106:06.600 --> 106:14.700] I was so confused. Winnie the Pooh ain't had no bottoms. Right, I get it now, he a freak too. Y'all fuck with the whole car. And I ain't gonna hold you on
—[106:14.700 --> 106:23.300] some Winnie the Pooh shit when you in there with your girl. If you get up and walk around or something, yeah boy, yeah,
—[106:24.080 --> 106:32.750] hold up. Yeah what? Yeah what, you on sleep? She might suck it. You on sleep? Yeah. What's up?
—[106:32.750 --> 106:41.380] Hey yo you picked up the The
—[106:41.380 --> 106:51.800] camera footage I
—[106:51.800 --> 107:00.020] let them say it cuz they heard what Shorty said. She said it to them. Who's Shorty and who's them? Everybody knows Shorty. Y'all know Shorty.
—[107:00.980 --> 107:09.000] This nigga sweat. I know what time it is man. I'm fucking that third lady. She came back to me Fuck you talk about
—[107:09.000 --> 107:17.100] it. Yeah. Well, I say she came right back He cheaped you came right back. He cheaped you He was cheap. Oh, you're
—[107:17.100 --> 107:25.140] right. We have cute front broke friend. Yeah, chill. That's my man. Oh, yes, bro He was, G. Who you have a cute broke friend? Chill, that's my man. But he is broke. I was broke?
—[107:26.400 --> 107:34.460] What? You just got a cosign whatever lies to you. Man, I heard these things. That's my man, bud.
—[107:34.460 --> 107:42.460] I heard that too. Yeah. It's fucked up, yo. Guess what? Yo, we didn't talk about fucking Tiger. We didn't talk about Tiger Woods. No, we didn't talk about
—[107:42.460 --> 107:50.780] him. We talked about the ego. And now the show. We were trying to kill the ego. Show a long way from over, mama. That's the problem with Guinea on time.
—[107:51.180 --> 107:59.180] The day feel long as hell, right? Oh my God. Tiger Woods, another crash, DUI. They arrested him. Damn. Oh, he was drunk. Yeah, and the initial reports just said it
—[107:59.180 --> 108:07.580] was a rollover crash, but subsequently. And what did I say? He was drunk and I mean to me ways you would have a problem Yes, like a car crash, right? Yeah.
—[108:07.580 --> 108:15.740] Yeah, he's been down since that lady The first car crashes when he got caught cheating on his wife. That was a big 1 That was
—[108:15.740 --> 108:23.940] so maybe this is third cuz he had another 1 after that. I know that. Tiger got a problem. Got a problem. First car accident, I was on his side. Like,
—[108:23.940 --> 108:32.180] if she in your phone, nigga, crash the car into the tree. We got to do what we got to do. Some got to get it. Yeah, fuck it. Hey,
—[108:32.180 --> 108:40.240] hey. Your chick left a voicemail, nigga. Hey, crash that shit on the bridge. This nigga is crazy, yo. Into the dentistry too.
—[108:40.240 --> 108:48.240] Yo, you are crazy, sir. I ain't trying to kill us. Yes, you're gonna be saying, hey, Tyga, I've been looking for you, nigga. We in the Hudson with
—[108:48.240 --> 108:56.720] this. So I felt him on that 1. This 1 is just, I can't keep, I can't, we can't, we can't. So here's what we know. Just reading the latest report.
—[108:57.380 --> 109:05.460] He was arrested. Tilt that mic more. I'm sorry, He was arrested. It doesn't look like it was alcohol this time. See, good. It
—[109:05.460 --> 109:13.460] was not? Good. Okay, so he drew, he blew triple zeros on the test, but he refused a urine test. Oh, so it might be alcohol. So why
—[109:13.540 --> 109:21.680] was he? Because it might not have been alcohol. So what they said is, he's been charged with DUI with property damage and refused to submit to a lawful test They believe that
—[109:21.680 --> 109:29.760] the sheriff believes it was quote some type of medication or drug And that's why you don't want a urine because you don't want to come up with your all that shit You don't even want to but let
—[109:29.760 --> 109:37.800] me ask you this but I've never heard of them mandating a urine test I've definitely heard of them mandating the breathalyzer,
—[109:38.000 --> 109:46.000] but not the urine if he blew in the breathalyzer that mean you're in compliance No, but if you still be You get a ticket if you high
—[109:46.000 --> 109:54.060] driving a car. And the only way to find out if you're high is to get some piss or blood. Do you wise under the influence? Under the influence of anything. And here's the other
—[109:54.060 --> 110:02.200] thing. On the scene they said he was lethargic. So he was showing signs of impairment. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Which was their, you
—[110:02.200 --> 110:10.340] gave them the probable cause. The probable cause, the crash, yeah. It was like the rollover crash, he's walking around with a wobbly, and then they don't know what happened. Bitch, I just
—[110:10.340 --> 110:18.500] rolled over, I'm a be lethargic and dizzy. I mean, that's a good defense, but then they say why you take the breathalyzer? I mean, the urine test. Now, you could make the case, he could have been high, well you can't
—[110:18.500 --> 110:26.680] if you still got it in your system. It depends on what's in his system. Because you know some of these drugs isn't in your system for 5 hours. Some of these shit last for a day, some shit last for a couple hours, you right? So you must have had some shit that
—[110:26.680 --> 110:35.080] lasted like short. If you refuse it's still a dirty, so what the fuck's the point? I don't know what, I never understood that. Now we your billionaire. Yeah right, and then you give your lawyer
—[110:35.080 --> 110:43.220] opportunity to do certain shit. You got more wiggle room right when they can't prove you was hired. Yeah, but normal people, you're fucked. Bring my lawyer to court, he so so good, you're gonna
—[110:43.220 --> 110:51.280] be working in Alaska. The dress war. Nah, I think, I have empathy for
—[110:51.280 --> 110:59.620] them. For them. Who's them? Like people that was once at the top of the top and then they had a real fall from grace. I think that
—[110:59.620 --> 111:08.360] they- I thought he was tired. Nah, he's still going. He's still playing. You can play golf forever. And he hasn't been- It just seemed like it could be over. And he hasn't won in eons, right?
—[111:08.720 --> 111:16.820] So he has not won. He's been competitive a few times. He ain't really winning. He and I have 15 back surgeries. He messes
—[111:16.820 --> 111:25.040] me up too. He comes back and he looks like he's okay And then he'll go on another decline and I think that When you were at the top of the top
—[111:25.040 --> 111:33.440] the world was eating out the palm of your hand and that fall from grace Can be but you know I don't like from that 2019 was his last victory What I don't like about tiger
—[111:33.840 --> 111:42.340] is when you know you have some of these demons or you come to the table trying to paint yourself as just the cleanest of clean, knowing
—[111:42.340 --> 111:50.820] that you got some of this other shit, eventually that shit is gonna show. At some point you're gonna get outed out. You're gonna fuck up. So
—[111:50.820 --> 111:59.100] I don't really feel bad for the nigga. He had all of those things though but when you was at the top and you was the head of your, dog the number lines
—[111:59.100 --> 112:07.160] used to be Tiger versus the field. That's how good that nigga was. Like, yo, anybody else win, you could you bet your
—[112:07.160 --> 112:15.240] money on the rest of the field. He's all good as golfers. That's how great he was. So when you fought, it's like LeBron or Lawrence Taylor or anybody that was
—[112:15.240 --> 112:23.340] dominant, Ali Floyd. And when you was the man in your field and that fall from grace and you'd be the last nigga to know. Because your ego still be talking to
—[112:23.340 --> 112:31.460] you. A part of what made his brand his brand was also about the image he was painting and the squeaky clean shit. So when You kind of lean into that and you
—[112:31.460 --> 112:39.460] become the spokesperson for clean, black, golfer. Not black. Well, he's blation. I thought
—[112:39.460 --> 112:47.460] he said he wasn't black. He said he's 77 different races. He said he's what? He said blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So then when you even do that, so
—[112:47.460 --> 112:55.620] now you want to go ahead and paint yourself in a way where you can be accepted from every race and look that We claim in Tiger regardless of is he painting himself with that or other
—[112:55.620 --> 113:03.960] people? That's a great point was giving him that yeah, like you know how nowadays
—[113:03.960 --> 113:12.000] they be like yo LeBron is squeaky clean Blah blah blah blah blah you never heard LeBron say Yo, I'm the squeaky clean athlete guy that nobody
—[113:12.000 --> 113:20.060] has anything on how they are painting me that may not necessarily be as a result of something I gave them, the world is going to paint you how they see you. No, but
—[113:20.060 --> 113:28.320] if LeBron was to ever be said to be the pro-black athlete, there was enough evidence to support that because- I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about squeaky clean.
—[113:28.380 --> 113:36.420] I'm using that in comparison to Tiger. When the sport wanted to paint him a certain way, Tiger linked into it by even naming himself Kahlo,
—[113:36.420 --> 113:44.880] Cablasion, whatever the fuck he wanted to do. I'm just telling you from what we got from him, he always came off as the squeaky, clean
—[113:44.920 --> 113:53.020] athlete and he also did things to play into it. So, Net. He definitely played into it. He did. Being myself is playing into it? He ain't being himself. What
—[113:53.020 --> 114:01.060] I'm supposed to say, yo, I get high, y'all. Yeah, clear, hold on. He's clearly not being himself. Hold on, I will say, it's hard to say that you're being yourself
—[114:01.060 --> 114:09.640] when we seeing how you actually carry it, and it's a little contradictory. Everybody in the world has facets to their personality. He's
—[114:09.640 --> 114:17.680] not supposed to be like, yo, you know what I do y'all? Yeah, marry, but I fuck hoes on the weekends. He's supposed to say that publicly? Yo, you know what I be doing? I be out here getting fucked
—[114:17.720 --> 114:25.840] up. No, he's allowing the You said he leaned into this persona How does he not lean into it
—[114:25.840 --> 114:33.960] other than telling you all the fucked up shit that I do in my private life? I Think I hear you be a professional athlete right
—[114:33.960 --> 114:42.120] you whatever your faults are you my man? I'm not getting it if you have any Look, I'm saying if you have any fault, you ain't gonna go tell the world,
—[114:42.120 --> 114:50.240] yo, this is what I'm faulty at. You gonna say, yo, Zaire, all pro linebacker, family man. But Zaire's also not gonna sit
—[114:50.240 --> 114:58.320] up here and go ahead and try to live a proper Every time he's on the mic. He's talking as if he doesn't have Time
—[114:58.320 --> 115:06.580] I'm sorry. I'm gonna let you go real quick. Let's get Zaire off of this. Yeah. For sure. Any athlete is 1 of them. Please, because I'm just
—[115:06.580 --> 115:14.640] a man. But what I will say is, it's 2 things. Well, 1, I feel like sometimes as an athlete, and Tiger specifically, like you said, it was Tiger
—[115:14.640 --> 115:22.760] versus the field. His peak was so high. So high. Understand something, the way golf is set up,
—[115:22.960 --> 115:31.640] you get paid A, to join the tournament if you're famous. That's number 1. Number 2, you get paid for a top 25 finish. There
—[115:31.640 --> 115:40.060] are guys, a lot of the highest paid golfers only get 1, maybe 2 wins a year, but they just finished top 20
—[115:40.260 --> 115:48.780] and they have a big bankroll. Tiger was just winning so much that his standard of excellence is
—[115:48.780 --> 115:56.940] just, now his fall off is being everybody else, there's a point there. But I'm just saying, like, so he's judged harder than everybody
—[115:56.940 --> 116:05.400] else. When you're career low is somebody's career high, We gotta have that conversation. 2, yeah, you're not gonna go out and just tell everybody
—[116:05.460 --> 116:13.540] your bad shit. If y'all keep talking about how y'all love my family and we a beautiful family, us taking pictures ain't got nothing to do with it. We was gonna take these family pictures
—[116:13.540 --> 116:21.660] regardless. Plus golf is cleaner than the other sports in terms of the way the golfers are viewed. And his dad was a golfer. We watched him
—[116:21.660 --> 116:29.740] grow. He's been a prodigy since he was 16. All that stuff plays into it. Y'all been saying these things. I didn't say any of this stuff. They're saying that with LeBron. Has Venus and Serena looked at
—[116:29.740 --> 116:38.000] in the same regard? I'm going to tell you the only reason why it's different because they from the hood though and they father's a dick So so so father played a part in that being from the hood and being
—[116:38.000 --> 116:46.180] from let's keep it real a black neighborhood Gives them a certain I want to say it gives them a certain persona It's certain certain like
—[116:46.180 --> 116:54.580] leeway that is different that Serena and Venus could celebrate or talk or crip walk or carry it a certain way because we know they're really from that place.
—[116:55.520 --> 117:03.580] And again, I think that their father played more into the negative press than the girls themselves did. Which was on purpose. You get what I'm
—[117:03.580 --> 117:11.580] saying? I think they father wasn't well like, huh? He used to be telling reporters his shit off when they was kids. Like he was kinda, I ain't gonna
—[117:11.580 --> 117:19.840] say anti-media, but he wouldn't let the media say certain shit to him. He was not. He checked on his daughters. You know what I'm
—[117:19.840 --> 117:28.220] saying? Accordingly, and so I'm not knocking them, I'm just saying, but so some of that persona was, oh, they father ghetto, so they gotta be ghetto. You know what I mean? Or they father is belligerent,
—[117:28.440 --> 117:36.560] so that's gonna fall on them. But that's why I say to this moment, when you get someone who has been living in the public eye, however
—[117:36.600 --> 117:44.800] it went across, like they're this type of person, and now these things start to happen 1 after the other, you have to go ahead and say, my nigga, if you would've just
—[117:44.800 --> 117:53.160] went ahead and just approached the sport and how you represent yourself in a different way. Maybe some of this wouldn't hit as hard as it's hitting right now. How?
—[117:53.260 --> 118:01.440] Nah, see Imani, what I would say is, and I agree with you, where you're coming from, but all I would say is, he didn't create that persona. Can
—[118:01.440 --> 118:09.620] I ask a question? Because y'all, we're going around in a circle. Because I totally feel what you say and I feel like I kind of remember that, especially when his wife left. I remember her being
—[118:09.620 --> 118:17.860] like, this motherfucker tried to act perfect. But my question is, can 1 of y'all give me an example, Mark, you give me an example of Tiger leaning into the perfect patty shit?
—[118:17.860 --> 118:26.240] I think it's, when I say leaning, because I agree with what Isha's saying, which is like no one's gonna go out there and say their faults. I just mean in terms of like his sponsorships, his branding,
—[118:26.280 --> 118:34.320] he leaned into, he did like family brand. All the same shit everybody does. Again, I'm not saying I would've did any different. But he is a brand, and his
—[118:34.320 --> 118:42.380] brand is just like Michael was to Kobe was before all the drama. Like, it's just like, I am a special kind of clean-cut family guy. And it's more
—[118:42.380 --> 118:50.760] that they choose him to be that than he comes out and chooses himself to be that. My nigga. Coors Light got more money than Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull.
—[118:50.860 --> 118:59.060] So if they come to me and say, yo, I'm going to give you 100000000 dollars and Colt 45 says I'm going to give you 15 million dollars, I'm going
—[118:59.060 --> 119:07.240] to Coors Light. But I think I'm just addressing what you're saying. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's why he leaned into it. I don't think leaning into it for me isn't a criticism.
—[119:07.460 --> 119:15.620] It's just that's the brand that he built and it's a very careful brand. I think that's fair, but- It's not a brand that Allen Iverson did. You have choices. Allen Iverson ain't had an endorsement deal, probably
—[119:15.620 --> 119:23.960] knocking down his door that Tiger hood had number 1. He's the only black dude in golf. Yeah, he's the pinnacle of golf. Alan Iverson
—[119:24.320 --> 119:32.440] wasn't that in basketball. Right. Michael Jordan was right and Michael Jordan at 1 point in time had more endorsement deals than mad
—[119:32.440 --> 119:40.440] niggas in the world. He still was fucking hoes, he still was gambling, he still was doing all these other extracurricular things. But Jordan leaned into it, that's what I'm saying.
—[119:40.440 --> 119:48.480] No, he didn't lean into that stuff. No, he did not. No, he did not. Wait, he didn't lean into what? Gambling, he didn't lean into liquor.
—[119:48.680 --> 119:57.160] Oh, no, no, I wasn't saying, I was saying the opposite. I was saying, I'm agreeing with you. Oh, no, I thought you said Jordan leaned into fuckery. No, I said Jordan leaned into the
—[119:57.160 --> 120:05.220] clean brand. The same way that Tiger did, and the same way these other guys did. The side that I'm leaning on is only based off of what Ish said.
—[120:05.220 --> 120:13.480] He said he has empathy for Tiger in this moment, right? Yeah. I don't have empathy because first of all, I don't have empathy only because this is how you are.
—[120:13.480 --> 120:21.960] This is how you chose to live your life and this is who you really were at the end of the day. I have empathy for him because of addiction, but I don't have empathy for someone driving a car
—[120:22.060 --> 120:30.200] fucked up. I don't have, I'm not saying. Yeah, now you have options. You got too much will to drive a car fucked up. He needs a driver. I'm saying I don't have empathy for how he's being viewed today as the person that we're
—[120:30.200 --> 120:38.300] starting to learn who he is. Now I have empathy for the addiction and all the other, that goes without saying, I'm just saying, when we talk about now him having to deal with how the
—[120:38.300 --> 120:46.360] public is viewing him, I don't have no empathy. That's who you were, and you're only being exposed for who you were and who you tried to hide, which you should try to hide at the end of the
—[120:46.360 --> 120:54.360] day, but this is what happens when you get fucking exposed. I don't have, because the, I have everything, because of the addiction, but I don't have everything, because of how he's been outed
—[120:54.360 --> 121:02.960] for the shit. You're fucking getting shit faced and running your car over highways and shit. I think the net worth is 1.3 billion. Yeah,
—[121:02.960 --> 121:11.020] he getting real money on. I think it was the first billionaire athlete. Has he ever came out and said that he had a drug problem? No. Probably not. He said he
—[121:11.600 --> 121:22.660] was a sex addict. He went to a rehab for sex. What's rehab for sex like? It's what people do when they get caught fucking around. I'm saying, but what
—[121:22.860 --> 121:31.000] is a rehab for sex like? I can tell you. Well, Mike Tyson told me. I've never been. This nigga always got to do that. You see it? I thought I was going to say that.
—[121:31.240 --> 121:39.720] Well, because if I just started explaining what sex addict class was, then I would think everybody would be like, Mark admitted to being a sex addict. So I don't think we would think you were a sex addict, but I hear
—[121:39.740 --> 121:47.800] you. So that y'all up here. I'm trying to say my nigga don't get no hoes. He's married. Here you go. Mar, you said don't do that. We feel it. Mar, you see how
—[121:47.800 --> 121:55.800] they do it? That's how quick they is. We unbreakable, dog. Come on, bro. And just know, sexual addiction is just not always based off of penetration or certain shit
—[121:55.800 --> 122:03.900] it's always some other shit that's what else are the aspects of people can be considered a sex addicts when you're just addicted to porn You
—[122:03.900 --> 122:12.300] can be a sex addict when you actually are taking your finances and pouring it into sexual acts Even if it's not penetration there's different levels of sex addiction
—[122:12.320 --> 122:20.380] This 1 was him just saying well, I got caught cheating with some other white women So fuck it just from Just to make it seem like I wasn't really a cheater, I actually had a problem. That's how
—[122:20.380 --> 122:28.440] I took it, and I feel like with the tiger, That's what it's usually used for. It's easy, that's exactly right. And I feel like it's easier. Wouldn't both of them be true? It's easier. Wouldn't both of
—[122:28.440 --> 122:36.960] them be true? That could be true. It could be a sex addict. It's a couple. You could be a sex addict, but this is what I was making into my Tyson thing, right? Cause I asked him, like,
—[122:37.200 --> 122:45.340] what's sex addiction like? Cause he told me he didn't even think he had 1. He said it was for, what he said was when he was
—[122:45.340 --> 122:53.420] in there, he saw people whose shit was so compulsive and so extreme. It wasn't just people who get a lot of pussy. Right. Because it started because I said to him, like, hey, like in my 20s,
—[122:53.420 --> 123:01.460] I might have been a sex addict, you know what I mean? Because I was having a lot of sex with him. He was like, you're a nice looking guy, but I promise you- It's not sex addiction. You ain't got no sex. I'm sure you
—[123:01.460 --> 123:09.500] get a lot of pussy, but I'm sure you're not a sex addict. He said, I'm not even a sex addict. He said, when I went in there, the stories motherfuckers was telling me, and the shit that they were doing,
—[123:09.740 --> 123:18.110] I mean, like, couldn't control themselves randomly at work, going in the bushes. Like, the shit he was describing was so extreme. And so the kind of treatment they needed was extreme. So
—[123:18.110 --> 123:26.200] that's what, but a lot of times, especially with celebrities, a lot of times, I'm not saying they don't have sex addiction. I don't know their business. What I know is as
—[123:26.200 --> 123:34.240] a public relations strategy, that's often was used. That's what I was going to say PR. That's what often was used when you get caught cheating. I'm sure it's a sliding scale. Kirk Franklin spoke about- That's
—[123:34.240 --> 123:42.320] true too. That's a great point. Like every other addiction. Right. Kirk Franklin talked about his porn addiction, right? He went on Oprah, spoke about it,
—[123:42.320 --> 123:50.800] to the point where he knew it was a problem. He went and took all the porn, threw it in the trash can. He drove mad far and threw it in the garbage can. Drove mad far, threw it away. Literally
—[123:50.800 --> 123:59.020] on his way back, he had to turn right back around and go. He said it was like 3 in the morning, he was home, and he knew he threw the porn far. Let's say he drove a
—[123:59.020 --> 124:07.240] half an hour away and threw the shit in the garbage. The nigga said he went outside in his night clothes at 3 in the morning, jumped in the garbage
—[124:07.240 --> 124:15.380] can to get the porn back out. What the fuck? You talking about he drove far again, then jumped in the trash can to go get it. And
—[124:15.380 --> 124:23.560] got the porn out. Kirk Franklin nigga, at 3 in the morning, you rich. So people would just label that as simply as a porn addiction, but that is considered under the
—[124:23.560 --> 124:31.580] guise of sex addiction. So now when you have to go ahead and get rehabilitated, they address even what's your need for that. It's not literally just about
—[124:31.640 --> 124:39.640] you busting a nut. So with Tiger Woods try to portray it as if, I'm just doing this because I actually have an addiction to sex in some
—[124:39.640 --> 124:47.840] way and it's like, no nigga, you are using this to make yourself seem like you have a problem that you really don't have. Yeah. Well, we don't know that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But that's what your PR
—[124:47.840 --> 124:55.960] people would do anyway, because it looks better than I'm just out here cheating on my wife. I'm mentally fucked up and it's a problem that I have. So I'm not
—[124:55.960 --> 125:04.300] losing all my brand deals. I'm not losing all my shit. America, especially white America has a soft spot for
—[125:04.800 --> 125:12.820] people that are troubled. And so I'm not gonna lose my brand deals because I'm just out here being a piece of shit nigga cheating on my wife, even though that to E's
—[125:12.820 --> 125:20.900] point could be what it is, my PR people gonna set it up to where. Both things could be true. True, exactly. Y'all ever felt like y'all ever did some shit that
—[125:20.900 --> 125:29.280] could fall under the spectrum of like sex addiction? Yes. Really? You want some kinky shit. No, not even. You said that shit real fast. No, nigga,
—[125:30.860 --> 125:38.940] I've gotten out of my bed at 2 or 03:00 in the morning, warrants, in driven 30, 40 minutes
—[125:38.940 --> 125:47.420] an hour in a white neighborhood I know I ain't have no business in, dirty tags all out to get some box. I think that's- for that specific or just because? That's
—[125:47.420 --> 125:55.460] a booty call. That's not addiction. Nah, I know what I'm saying. Let me tell you why. You are putting yourself at a detriment that you know that certain things can happen to you for some
—[125:55.460 --> 126:03.680] box. When you got a jerk off and went to sleep. That doesn't always belong to addiction. I'm saying was it for that purpose specifically or was it just because you had to get some
—[126:03.680 --> 126:11.680] box? Okay. Go ahead. Maybe a combination of the 2. When I hear sex with these stories, it'd be like, it was my daughter's birthday party and we were supposed to blow out the
—[126:11.680 --> 126:19.940] candles and I went in the bathroom. Nah, we ain't doing that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but It could be degrees too. I'm just saying. Like if you put your, you know you got a warrant, you going to jail,
—[126:19.940 --> 126:28.180] my nigga. When you, if they pull you over in this all white neighborhood that's known for pulling motherfuckers over, you going to jail and you still brave that
—[126:28.180 --> 126:36.180] in the middle of the night to get some violence. Okay, yeah, you're using something crazy. I don't equate that because that's just you, that's if you drove anywhere and you got warrants, it's still a risk you
—[126:36.180 --> 126:44.280] taking, whether you go get boxed or not. So I don't take that. For me, I've spoke about having a porn addiction, right? And not even because at a certain point,
—[126:44.280 --> 126:52.680] I was watching it or like performing. Just period. It was to the point where I could literally be in the bed. See, you joking. No, I didn't know. It was a question. They're just laughing.
—[126:53.100 --> 127:01.180] So I could literally be in the bed with my girl. And you would've watched porn. I could be in the bed with my girl, looking good, she ready to fuck, and I would be like,
—[127:01.180 --> 127:09.560] no, to go watch some porn. Like with a girl. Of course. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Not mine.
—[127:09.560 --> 127:17.560] When he had a girl. Yeah. It's even worse when you're in a relationship because at that point, your wife wants you to connect with her in that way but you won't. You'll go ahead and you'd rather settle for
—[127:17.560 --> 127:25.560] the porn. You're not really attached to the actual porn. You're not. There's some other deeper shit. No, I'm not being funny right now.
—[127:25.560 --> 127:33.700] I'm saying, what is it? I was going to ask you, what is the thing that's pulling you? It's always, For me, it always was riddled in some level
—[127:33.700 --> 127:41.760] of self-worth, some level of not confident, some level of not being satisfied in life a certain way. You went to therapy to figure this out? I had
—[127:41.760 --> 127:51.180] to literally sit, somebody's dad sent me somewhere to go literally sit and talk through it and yeah. Somebody's dad found out you was whacking and shit to me? I'm
—[127:51.180 --> 127:59.580] sorry. Was it a girl's dad? I'm being honest, my ex's dad spoke to me because we wanted to have a conversation about before getting married,
—[127:59.580 --> 128:07.620] what were some of the things that you need help in your trouble then. He's a very religious guy, he was ready to pay for the wedding and everything, and I had an honest moment with him about some
—[128:07.620 --> 128:15.660] of the things that are a problem for me. My kids, not being- Way too honest. I ain't never gonna be that honest. I respect it though. Listen, My kids
—[128:15.660 --> 128:23.720] not being a part of my life was a big part that he was worried about yo I can't imagine how you're gonna marry my daughter and you don't have a kid new kid
—[128:23.720 --> 128:39.120] certain kids a part of your life That would be a reflex. So he said I need you to fix that Clear as Dallas.
—[128:39.680 --> 128:47.940] The ill part about him though is that he understood because he had fucked up a prior marriage based off of certain addictions. Not that, but he understood where I was coming from.
—[128:48.260 --> 128:56.280] Gambling addiction is just the same thing you say. So the fact that I felt open up to like, tell him that he gave me some insight on how you can go
—[128:56.280 --> 129:04.860] ahead and change it. But your porn addiction is not something that you're trying to fix, right? I don't, I don't watch porn like that today. Like that? Or you still watch it? No, if I, if I, I'm going
—[129:05.100 --> 129:13.500] to be honest with you, if I do watch it now, I'm most likely going to watch it with a girl and let it be the motivation for how we do something. But I know it's just like, if you
—[129:13.620 --> 129:21.780] have an alcohol addiction, At no point can you just say, all right, well fine, I'll just have a drink 1 day and I'll turn it off. No, you can't do that. So I'm
—[129:21.780 --> 129:30.000] clear about knowing that that is an addiction, that's something that I just should not lean into because it's more deep rooted than just me busting a nut. So you know that as you go to the porn
—[129:30.000 --> 129:38.500] awards and the porn convention? It's the same thing if I'm an alcoholic, but I still go to the bar with my friends. It don't mean I have to be there to drink. I
—[129:38.500 --> 129:46.580] don't have to avoid the atmosphere. It's a little different. It's a little different. It's an industry that I think is profitable. It's a mixture.
—[129:46.580 --> 129:54.700] Oh, you were trying to invest. He was trying to be a part of it Are you are invested? I'm definitely working to some degree. He's invested my phone. I'm trying to be an actor
—[129:57.440 --> 130:06.840] He's trying to be no Talent I do I do think are you gonna start your own porn company in face of angles? No I'm
—[130:15.060 --> 130:25.680] I'm your manager. I know. I think it's a bad idea. I heard people say that. If
—[130:25.680 --> 130:33.820] I can get to the point at a bar where I don't consume alcohol and I just go, which happens, cool. The problem is when you're at a porn convention,
—[130:33.820 --> 130:41.940] you are kind of consuming porn in a certain way. There's things you're consuming. When you're managing OnlyFans or you're cutting footage or you're whatever. Wouldn't be doing that,
—[130:41.940 --> 130:49.940] but let's just say if someone has a alcohol problem and they have a big platform, does that mean they should no longer do business with liquor
—[130:49.940 --> 130:58.100] companies? That's all I'm saying. I think it's more like bartending. I'm worried that you're becoming a bartender. Yeah, if you alcohol, a bartender is a
—[130:58.100 --> 131:06.180] little different. A bartender would be somebody who is actually doing the scene. No, no, Bartender doesn't take the alcohol, but they're around all the time, chatting up E's, I'm
—[131:06.180 --> 131:14.280] saying, how worried about you being that invested? I get you. Little liquor spill on your hand, you just... That's what I'm saying. That's gross
—[131:14.280 --> 131:22.360] as a metaphor. That is a horrible metaphor, yeah, word. It's a wish-real in a tweet. There's just so many other things you could do when
—[131:22.360 --> 131:30.360] you're so talented. It just seemed like if porn is a thing that's raw. No, I know. That's why I don't think you need to do it here. But here, man, what do you say? You went last year, though. You
—[131:30.360 --> 131:38.860] gonna go this year? No. We invited Sony. We invited again? No. He invited us also. Oh, you just went? Yeah.
—[131:38.860 --> 131:47.140] No, last time I was invited. Oh, I thought you said us. He's the plus 1. No, by the event. Yeah, that's right. Not just by 1 of the boys, Not by Debbie.
—[131:47.320 --> 131:55.440] I was invited by the person who does the convention, the expo out here in Jersey. Yes, sir. I was invited personally by the person who does casting
—[131:55.440 --> 132:04.580] and relations for it. Gunshot. Would you like that phone call to? No, we don't need that. He ain't just calling everybody. I
—[132:04.580 --> 132:13.240] got you. Oh, you didn't. Yeah, nigga, you do. That's on the other phone. Go ahead. Nah, man. How'd you beat your porn addiction? I
—[132:13.240 --> 132:21.900] don't have a porn addiction. Never. What would you... He said he thought he was a sex addict. He said... I never said it. Because
—[132:21.900 --> 132:30.220] I asked the question was, have you ever done anything that you would think. You did say you had a sex addiction. You said you thought he was a sex addict. No, he said he felt like he did something that could be
—[132:30.440 --> 132:38.460] equivalent to something that a sex addict would do. That's what the question is on. You did. Yeah. You too, baby. Don't start,
—[132:38.460 --> 132:46.760] bro. Don't start. Have you ever had a sex addiction or anything? Good talk. Great
—[132:46.760 --> 132:54.960] talk. Is it OK to? Sex addiction is real. He said what? Addiction period is real. Addiction is real. Sex addiction
—[132:54.960 --> 133:03.060] is definitely real. I'm happy that everybody overcame their addiction in here. I never had 1. You didn't. So if you were close to being addicted to something, what would it be if
—[133:03.060 --> 133:11.080] it wasn't sex? Food. Yo. Oh, shit. It's okay, it's okay. That's crazy. You gotta let a nigga try to stand out, you know what I'm
—[133:11.080 --> 133:19.180] saying? What's my nigga name? The nigga left him in the dust already, so you gotta let a nigga try to come up the ranks. Oh, yeah, that's true. You know what I'm saying? Y'all
—[133:19.180 --> 133:27.260] don't think this room's like jokes too hard? Nah, it's fine. Listen. Y'all, y'all jokes be running like. Mean. That 1 was mean. These niggas are telling mean jokes. That was from earlier though, Flip. That
—[133:27.260 --> 133:41.080] was because I had to get them. I was addicted to sex at 1 point. You know what I'm saying? Really? I'm sorry you went through that. But you gotta, you know, whatever it was at. Well, he didn't say he went
—[133:41.080 --> 134:01.000] through anything. He just said he was addicted to something. Were you fulfilling it? Yo It's
—[134:01.000 --> 134:10.140] the cleanest town in America. You know that? Look at the nerds. Look at the nerds laughing with each other. Look.
—[134:10.140 --> 134:18.460] What's your problem? At 1 point, yeah, man, you know, and then you just gotta fight it, man. When you were at your worst in your sex addiction.
—[134:20.380 --> 134:28.800] We can't talk about that. Possibly. What did it look like? T-Mobile came through. I can't say.
—[134:29.620 --> 134:37.740] Okay. Like 2 a month, 3 a month. No, I can't. It might not even be volume, it just means like. I just can't say it. It just doesn't, yeah. Say like, alright, I wanna put you on the next 1. Why did you
—[134:37.740 --> 134:46.140] even start saying that? Well, because sometimes ego allow niggas to talk, but then I realized that there's some eyes and ears and I wanna be respectful.
—[134:46.340 --> 134:54.480] That's a fact. You know what I'm saying? Because if I do say I would like to... My girl is listening. Turn up on... Yeah, I like to turn up on everybody. Anything y'all say, she
—[134:54.480 --> 135:02.620] gonna hear it. So I'm gonna be respectful. Yeah, but I mean, it was crazy, but you gotta fix it, man. We'll figure it out. What is the fine line between addiction and need? Addiction
—[135:02.620 --> 135:10.680] and need? To me, when you start to do things, 1, when you don't feel in control of your choices, and the evidence of that is when you do, because
—[135:10.680 --> 135:18.740] to me, significant harm to yourself. Not just physical harm, I mean, again, when I heard these sex addiction stories, it'd be like, like
—[135:18.740 --> 135:26.820] I said, I'm at my daughter's birthday party, we about to blow out the candles, but I gotta pull this girl in the bathroom real quick. It's shit like that. I'm gonna miss work. I have a job
—[135:26.820 --> 135:34.840] opportunity for the job I've been waiting for, but I need to fuck. Shit like that. Shit that like, like literally, like getting in your own way and you can't help yourself. Well addiction period,
—[135:34.840 --> 135:42.867] like you could be at the blackjack table. In your flight leave in an hour and you're like, yo, a couple more hands, couple more hands. And you miss your flight.
—[135:42.867 --> 135:51.300] You know what I'm saying, to play blackjack. Shit like that. I consider a need as something that you need for survival. A
—[135:51.300 --> 135:59.340] need is a necessity. Like I buy sneakers all the time. I don't need them shits. It's funny I don't be seeing you wear that many sneakers. You do,
—[135:59.340 --> 136:07.560] you do. Cause you clock me, you do. It's cool though. You buy sneakers a lot? I see you with the same, like you
—[136:07.560 --> 136:15.820] rotate. Yeah. He got like, what, 300 pairs, right? Said the whole room. You clocked me you do Yeah 300 pairs right set a whole room. Yeah, you got a whole room of Snickers. Yeah
—[136:15.820 --> 136:23.880] big that's an addiction. You get money. You did the shopping, yeah. Oh shit, you see
—[136:23.880 --> 136:31.980] me? You see me? This should be called a be lying. You don't have 300 sneakers. You got money? You don't even have a place to
—[136:31.980 --> 136:40.000] store 300 sneakers. You got money? On me? Period. To lose? Yeah. Oh, let's make this bet. How much? This bet
—[136:40.000 --> 136:48.160] in the water bet. Whatever you want bet. Let's make it 1000. Let's make it 1000. Something like 300 sneakers. He's going to prove to you he got 300 sneakers. He's going to go on video tape him. I don't believe that. All right, you know, thousand 300
—[136:48.160 --> 136:56.500] pairs sneakers Let's hear the price that he said don't whatever you know what he said Pastor in front of our 20 dollars
—[136:57.260 --> 137:06.360] Why can't be willing to lose 220? I'm cool cuz he can't be enough I got I got sneaker boxes the what you call it boxes Oh
—[137:06.360 --> 137:14.640] the container store bottles. They stack 13 high in my room, right? Like
—[137:14.640 --> 137:22.740] containers 13 containers I realize that this is when people get their pod lies off. Like I want the room to be clear that these the same
—[137:22.740 --> 137:30.800] niggas that said they had 200 pairs of drawers, fucking 500 socks. These niggas just be saying shit. Oh no, I was
—[137:30.800 --> 137:39.060] serious about the amount of drugs. It wasn't 200, but it was a lot. All y'all, y'all don't have that stuff. Everybody didn't say that, Joe. No. Well, anybody said it don't have it. I was the 1 that said
—[137:39.060 --> 137:47.300] I keep like 50, 60, 70 pairs of drugs because I don't like to do laundry. He about to shit on you too. I just buy new ones and then I send laundry every couple months. About to stun you. I send it out and get it all done. This is lazy.
—[137:47.720 --> 137:55.940] Woo. That ain't even a full wall. That's looking like Foot Locker. You keep your picture. That's not even a full wall. Let me see. Stop talking to me. He looking like JD. Oh, shit. He's looking
—[137:55.940 --> 138:06.020] like JD. He is looking like JD. Those are all the kicks I've seen. Man. That nigga racked up in JD. 13
—[138:06.020 --> 138:14.360] high, what? Like once, so sneaker boxes, they go 13 high. You know how you start getting a lot of sneakers and you keep them in the old boxes? They crush.
—[138:14.380 --> 138:22.440] So you're a hoarder? No. Because how many of them are fire like wearable joints like he I wear my sneakers Joe She tried to save their anything fight.
—[138:22.440 --> 138:30.520] Yeah, it's 13. Hi, but what's it across? I Will buy no third as it's more than 20 rolls 20
—[138:30.520 --> 138:38.740] times 13 is 260 right there. Woo! That's a way of mathematician. That's heavy. You know math, you just don't know sneakers. I know. He
—[138:38.740 --> 138:46.760] got more sneakers than you do. What are those? No, you got more sneakers. Shocks. I'm not a sneakerhead. What are these? Shocks. You ain't had these when they was out?
—[138:46.760 --> 138:54.940] I'm not a sneakerhead. You ain't had these when they was out, I said. Probably not. If he got a pair of Vans or something in there, he can't count those, cause you don't consider. I don't count Vans. I'm just saying, I'm just giving an example. Like if a certain-
—[138:54.940 --> 139:03.060] Joe, it's a cheat code. I got- There was a whole van. I got 30, 40 pairs of Chuck Taylors. Why? Because back in the day when Chucks was Chucks.
—[139:03.060 --> 139:11.140] So you don't throw out old snickers? I had Chucks. No, I just had Chucks. I asked him if he was a hoarder. I had Chucks at all colors. We don't wear them no
—[139:11.140 --> 139:19.200] more like that, but I still got them. They damn near brand new. You can't wait for the shit to come back and stuff. Yeah, he outlived a couple of trades though. But you never going to wear them again, so
—[139:19.200 --> 139:27.200] why not just... I know, you never know what's gonna happen. So you pull out the retro's a lot. I be wanting to get- You see a Chuck Taylor? You pull out a lot of retro's.
—[139:27.200 --> 139:35.300] Or you see all modern scenes? That's my mom. No. That's my mom. No. Y'all got over 100 years of reference. I don't joke with that reference, damn it. Oh no,
—[139:35.300 --> 139:43.340] these are all quality kicks in here it's all quality Yeah, yeah Alright, yeah
—[139:44.100 --> 139:52.300] Before you go. Let's just talk about this Jay-Z stuff for a sec. Yeah, yeah, real quick. So wait, what's your best pair of sneakers right now? Top 3. Or favorite,
—[139:52.300 --> 140:00.620] favorite. Bro, I be wearing a lot of shit over. Jordan 3s
—[140:00.620 --> 140:08.800] is probably my favorite sneakers. Like, if I could get Jordan 3s, I got a bunch of Jordan ones. I easily
—[140:08.800 --> 140:16.980] got 20, 30 pairs of Jordan ones. I think Jordan threes is probably my favorite. There's some Air Max. What size
—[140:16.980 --> 140:25.140] you wear? 10. I just bought a pair of sneakers this morning from Keith. All right, cool. From who? Keith! This morning. I'm coming to get some sneakers.
—[140:25.340 --> 140:33.580] Am I lying? I'm his size. You're a foot group. You a 10? I'm a 10. You say it's foot group? Because
—[140:33.580 --> 140:41.860] Joe 1 time I told him by me appear Air Force one's you know Air Force one's 1 But yeah, so you're not 9 and a half no I got so he bought you them jokes
—[140:41.920 --> 140:50.240] no Here we go. I'm saying from earlier. You said gift or by He gave me some sneak I
—[140:50.240 --> 140:58.280] think they're the same If he bought me a pair of sneakers and gifted them to me, or if my man bought a pair of sneakers and gave them to me, I look at it the same. They're not the same. I
—[140:58.280 --> 141:06.600] thought you was gonna pay me back. You never did. It wasn't a gift. And I think I did. Myda Page was who? He did. Bitch, that's the thing. He definitely did.
—[141:06.740 --> 141:14.740] OK, so I have this Jay-Z capitalism clip that I wanted to play for Mark. I like this part of
—[141:14.740 --> 141:22.800] the interview, actually. Great, Myra. Yeah, it was interesting. Yeah, it'll do well, I thought. The whole interview, I think, was fine. Frazier did a great job. Yeah, and they just dissing him and I
—[141:22.800 --> 141:31.080] think it's unfair. They dissing Frazier? They have to make him some child. They dissing Frazier because he's got a baby face. Yeah, he just looked out. But people have 0 idea
—[141:31.080 --> 141:39.220] how long Frazier's been doing this. Some of the reputable companies he's done it for, some of the people he's interviewed. This is back to my complex days in 2017.
—[141:39.520 --> 141:47.700] Bro, but even that, how he interacted with Jay-Z, how he knew certain lines, how he knew certain verses, he killed that shit. It was a great interview.
—[141:47.700 --> 141:55.760] He killed that shit. Yes, like he killed that shit. I like the fact that he was. What was the other group that killed him? Yeah, he wasn't tap dancing
—[141:55.760 --> 142:03.900] for the nigga. Yeah, he got the most info out of him. Oh, Elliot did a 101 with him. I only need the 1 nigga. Yeah, I think Elliot did 1. Hey, What the fuck is going on here
—[142:03.900 --> 142:12.040] man? Why isn't that dope that Jay actually let someone new to us, not new to us, but new to the world like sit with
—[142:12.040 --> 142:20.140] him. I think some people felt like. Bro you damned if you do you damned if you don't. Correct. That's fine, give the new up and coming
—[142:20.140 --> 142:28.260] guy. He's not new. He's not new. So the rest of the world, I'm not saying to us, but the rest of the world is very new. Everybody say he worked for GQ. That was a GQ thing. Everybody
—[142:28.260 --> 142:36.300] that, I don't want to do that because it sounds like I'm cheating on Frazier, I'm not trying to do that, but that was more so I'm sitting with GQ. Yeah. And Frazier's at GQ. He's
—[142:36.300 --> 142:44.460] the head guy at GQ, so I'm going to sit with him. And I also feel like Hov was trying to give off the fly. You know what I'm saying? In the middle of the interview, he got
—[142:44.460 --> 142:52.740] different photoshoots and stuff like that. That was probably just the setting that he was trying to choose. When you somebody high up, you could pick what type of interview you wanna have. Come on, say that stupid Memphis
—[142:52.740 --> 143:00.860] Bleak shit you said. I didn't say Memphis Bleak, but what happened was, people were, what was going on the internet was, people said, like how would you have your man
—[143:00.860 --> 143:09.300] have a podcast and you do it for GQ when Bleak just started a podcast. But outside of Bleak, the bigger argument for people was
—[143:09.940 --> 143:18.000] there's a lot of independent folk, there's a lot of black folk. If you're championing black entrepreneurship, black self-determination, all this other shit, Why would you do the 1 interview you're gonna do in the next 5 years?
—[143:18.000 --> 143:26.080] Why would you do it with GQ and not with somebody from the culture? That was a lot of people's criticism. Damn, Frazier is the culture. He's an employee
—[143:26.080 --> 143:34.360] for GQ. They gave him a cover. They did a photo shoot. It makes sense. Yeah, but The question wasn't so much like, could you do it with a, why'd you do it with a black
—[143:34.360 --> 143:42.540] reporter? Yeah. So what are you going to do? It's about the outlet. So black for black beat? He's going to do it for black beat? He's going to do it for, you know what I'm saying? Here's the thing,
—[143:42.540 --> 143:50.880] if you're Jay-Z, I mean, I'm not necessarily, I'm not that invested in the argument, but Jay-Z's gonna get 1000000 views in a day no matter where he does it.
—[143:51.140 --> 143:59.160] So GQ's not doing Jay-Z a favor. I get why some people go to the big outlets because they need to look. If Jay-Z came here, if Jay-Z went on my platform, if Jay-Z
—[143:59.160 --> 144:07.240] went on your platform, wherever, like yours, whatever, like he still will get the same views. Mm-hmm. I don't know about that. Yeah. I don't
—[144:07.240 --> 144:15.360] like that argument. I agree with Mark. I don't like that argument. Jay-Z could go to talk to my next door neighbor. The quotes are going to go viral. I agree with that. But it's going to be a big difference between
—[144:15.360 --> 144:23.380] 1000000 or 2000000 views and 300 million. If he goes and sits with Shannon or us or Nori or something, it's going to get bigger numbers off of
—[144:23.380 --> 144:31.540] him. Just because of the size of that platform already. Boom. So why not do that? I'm not saying he should, but I'm just saying why we shouldn't. Because he can. I think it was the
—[144:31.540 --> 144:39.640] setting. I think it was I think it was just a setting that he was looking for Yeah, we don't come along with photo shops and pictures and a
—[144:39.640 --> 144:47.700] spread. He had a spread in GQ and also it's a whole He sat down with Ellie and B. Dot. He sat down with New York Times. He
—[144:47.700 --> 144:55.800] said that he's done a breakfast club. Vanity Fair. All of them. He's literally done almost all of them. So I mean, how hard at what point can he not just pop it, get his
—[144:55.800 --> 145:04.180] shit off, get his art shit off? Yeah. The moment- I'm not mad at GQ Trace. I'm just telling you that we were just talking about before the show what a lot of the responses
—[145:04.200 --> 145:12.660] to word to the interview This is a fight. I think the moment is too big right now It's anniversaries for 2 projects that are really important to hip-hop
—[145:12.740 --> 145:20.940] I think you have to go sit where it's gonna make you already Bro, You went inside with the New York Times. Yeah, that's it. That alone is enough for me to say,
—[145:20.940 --> 145:29.060] all right, this moment is here for me to take this type of shit to this platform. There might be another time, like you said, he's done, B. Dot and Elliot, he's done the
—[145:29.060 --> 145:37.140] shit where he's giving back. This moment is too big for us to play around with us considering him branding another podcast All that all that crit the deck criticism
—[145:37.280 --> 145:45.560] about fucking you supposed to be pro culture, but you sit over here Yeah, I understand it when it come to Kendrick and Sism Yeah,
—[145:47.260 --> 145:55.340] those are 2 motherfuckers that you're gonna see on all the white outlets and never see what yeah Jay's like when I told him that I told all
—[145:55.340 --> 146:03.340] the TV niggas that that's how I feel about it Yeah, but hold like like you said, you know, it's that would everybody. Yeah There's a clip you wanted me to respond
—[146:03.340 --> 146:12.180] to? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got the clip. This also value legacy brands too. For better or for worse. Love you guys, this show, you're the star. Wow.
—[146:13.280 --> 146:21.380] Hey, hey, hey, hey. Thank you, no, nigga. Yeah, I think she knows already. And this is why you got to give them a warning talk before you get here. Dope. You ain't buying nothing,
—[146:21.380 --> 146:29.380] you won't touch nothing, you ain't getting nothing. Here we go. Like the things that you do for the culture, the ways that you put on, the ways that you try to protect and move
—[146:29.380 --> 146:37.540] forward, but kind of the pushback that you get sometimes about like people throw capitalists at you in a derogatory sense. You know, I think
—[146:37.540 --> 146:45.840] in that verse specifically, the only thing I heard coming up was the American dream until we started being successful. And it was like, wait
—[146:45.840 --> 146:54.160] a minute, you're selling out because you're making money. That was the first thing that was put on musicians. People had this law for the struggling artists. That's a mind game.
—[146:54.180 --> 147:02.500] What we were called back in the day, it was trikinology. It was like, no, I'm not going for that. Like, no, no, I make art first, and
—[147:02.500 --> 147:10.640] then I make sure that I'm compensated for my art. I didn't take advantage of it. I didn't get here by taking advantage of people. No
—[147:10.640 --> 147:19.720] 1. No 1. That's not my reputation. That's not what I do. I didn't get here by taking advantage of people or taking advantage of the
—[147:19.720 --> 147:27.820] loopholes in the system or some wrinkle in a capitalist structure. That structure exists. And I just see the world for
—[147:27.820 --> 147:36.080] what it is, not for what I want it to be. I'm a realist, it's not idealistic. People speak about the world
—[147:36.080 --> 147:44.480] how they want to see it. You're never going to win like that. I'm with him on that. Couldn't have said it any better.
—[147:44.840 --> 147:53.160] Facts. I agree. If you're an American, capitalism is your birthright. I think the biggest problem that I have a lot of friends that are anti-capitalists and
—[147:53.980 --> 148:02.000] my biggest problem With the thought process is it's often confusing how Americans treat corporations versus capitalism.
—[148:02.000 --> 148:10.060] I think capitalism itself is not evil. I think that the fact that Americans give capitalist corporations more power than individuals and more rights
—[148:10.060 --> 148:19.080] than individuals is the problem. I think that we confuse or we automatically correlate and associate capitalists
—[148:19.240 --> 148:27.700] with greed. And so back to our couple of weeks ago conversation, definitions and words mean things, and we define
—[148:27.700 --> 148:35.780] words how we emotionally feel about them. That's not the definition of capitalist. The definition of capitalist is somebody that engages in practices
—[148:35.980 --> 148:44.480] for profit. That don't mean you being a greedy motherfucker, you want to starve everybody else. That just means you run in a business. You want to turn the profit with your business. And
—[148:44.480 --> 148:52.800] so we, Again, we conflate the 2 things. And so I think that, especially with us as black people, I've said this 1000000 times, I think that to his point,
—[148:52.900 --> 149:01.240] they be putting this evil connotation on making money, dog, to kind of dissuade you from trying to be the best that you could be or trying to make more money
—[149:01.240 --> 149:09.380] while they go out and make fucking zillions of dollars and control you and keep you down. They don't want us to get to a certain place in society, so they
—[149:09.380 --> 149:17.520] try to play this mom fuck on you and these white kids that are being brought up in these families, they not learning that. We learning that shit, like more money, more problems
—[149:17.520 --> 149:25.600] and all that other goofy shit that we learn like, all right, give me the problems. Because I damn sure want the bread. Facts. You know what I'm saying? So that's my opinion when it comes
—[149:25.600 --> 149:33.780] to capitalism and people's definition of capitalism. Yeah. Capitalists is, there's nothing wrong with it. I think people only hate capitalism if
—[149:33.780 --> 149:41.800] it doesn't benefit them. No, I don't like it because sometimes there are certain people, not the system, there
—[149:41.800 --> 149:49.900] are certain people that in their version of capitalism, they control weight or like step on motherfuckers.
—[149:50.120 --> 150:01.360] You don't have to do that. But these are the guys that say billionaires shouldn't exist Why
—[150:01.360 --> 150:09.380] should do you know why shouldn't they they worked hard worked hard for their money And if you are really good at
—[150:09.380 --> 150:17.420] what you do, you should receive the benefits from that. If you create something that is that profitable, you create some type of organization or some type of
—[150:17.420 --> 150:25.520] business structure that actually takes advantage. I also want to just bring back to what Hov said too. He didn't get there by taking advantage of somebody or
—[150:25.520 --> 150:33.860] by finding some loophole and exploiting that. I disagree. Yo, that's what I'm saying. I disagree with both of these. If you look back at his story He pioneered
—[150:33.960 --> 150:42.040] a lot of that stuff a lot of the decision of different things that he was doing It's not a Rockefeller with drug money, right? Allegedly is that that's not taking advantage of people what being
—[150:42.040 --> 150:50.120] a silly crack to drug addicts your own community isn't taking advantage What you would you would you could deem as taking advantage somebody somebody else may
—[150:50.120 --> 150:59.380] look at a survival so You survived by taking advantage of people. They're not you by supplying demand. Yes, if you supplies Literally,
—[150:59.380 --> 151:07.380] I think that's a way that's not what made you That's not what made a billionaire though. That's what I'm saying though. That's no, but the fact. So y'all made like 10 arguments. Let me, let me
—[151:07.380 --> 151:15.750] respond to a couple of them. Listen to this. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna break it and simplify it. If I start, if I start a t-shirt line, right?
—[151:15.750 --> 151:23.800] And I sell $10 t-shirts And I sell 100000000 t-shirts. I'm a billionaire. Now we can go say, yo, yeah,
—[151:23.800 --> 151:31.860] you made this money off these t-shirts, but there's somebody in Pakistan or there's somebody in Portugal. So there's somebody in China that
—[151:31.860 --> 151:41.600] may be working under adverse conditions that are not United States standards. And so as a result of that, you are still, I
—[151:41.600 --> 151:49.980] guess, taking advantage of somebody. Like if that's the case, then anybody that reaches millionaire status, fuck billionaire status, by somebody else's morals,
—[151:50.120 --> 151:59.720] is still corrupt. Got you. So, okay, a couple things. First to what Jay-Z said. He
—[151:59.720 --> 152:07.840] said that the record industry kind of makes you feel like you're wrong for making money off your art. I think that's right. I think you said society. Society, but sure. But it's really the industry
—[152:07.840 --> 152:15.920] people, right? When you want to, when artists try to monetize their shit, like Jay-Z did, they look at you, agree. And they're often even bigger fish trying to stop you from
—[152:15.920 --> 152:23.980] getting what you want. But again, that's part of the predatory nature of capitalism, is that it's always trying... A small group of people with a lot of resources are always trying
—[152:23.980 --> 152:32.340] to take those or hoard those resources for themselves. They'd rather themselves have all of it or most of it at the expense of everybody else. Those record company execs,
—[152:32.520 --> 152:40.760] they didn't want Jay-Z to get rich. They didn't want Jay-Z to have millions, much less billions. So I agree with him at that point, at that level. I don't have an issue with artists
—[152:40.760 --> 152:48.820] making money off their art. I don't have an issue with people making money or profit. Capitalism isn't the only system where people make money. That's why sometimes when people go,
—[152:48.820 --> 152:56.880] ah-ha, you made some money and you say you don't like capitalism. Oh yeah, there's other social systems where people make money. Give me some. Socialism, you can still have a
—[152:56.880 --> 153:06.180] profit in socialism. So it's not that there's no system where you can't make money. The question is to what extent, and I agree with you, if defining
—[153:06.180 --> 153:14.240] the issue isn't the definition of capitalism, it's the consequences of it. And so I would say, I would ask somewhat rhetorically, but whatever, right?
—[153:14.240 --> 153:22.380] Like, is there ever been a capitalist system in the world where there hasn't been a huge gap between people who have and people who don't. I have a question. Hold on, just let me finish
—[153:22.380 --> 153:30.860] because y'all said a lot of things. I just don't want to forget. I'm old. I'm just old. I'll stop here. To the billionaire point, the issue, I'm
—[153:30.860 --> 153:38.940] sure Jay-Z works hard. Jay-Z may work harder than everybody up here. Cool, let's just assume that. The issue for me isn't that, but that kid, to use your example,
—[153:38.940 --> 153:47.120] in Indonesia, or that kid in Latin America or wherever, is also working hard. And it's not just like an arbitrary U.S. Standard of comfort. If you're working for a dollar
—[153:47.120 --> 153:55.260] an hour, or if you have to work in a factory at 8 years old instead of going to school, I think most human beings would agree that that's an untenable set of circumstances. The
—[153:55.260 --> 154:03.340] issue with extreme amounts of wealth is that that wealth depends on that kind of system. You sell 100 million t-shirts, it's
—[154:03.340 --> 154:11.760] hard to sell 100 million t-shirts without someone's labor being exploited. It's hard to get 1000000000 dollars, maybe not by putting guns in people's head, but by investing
—[154:11.760 --> 154:19.760] in systems and companies that do do those things, whether it's private security companies, whether it's places people to exploit labor. And that's my issue. I'm not saying, because Jay-Z kind
—[154:19.760 --> 154:27.900] of made a strongman argument in that interview where he's like, well, so a millionaire is bad, but 999, 000 is good. It's not that, it's not about the individual people. It's about
—[154:27.900 --> 154:36.100] the system. And that's my issue. The system itself doesn't allow for that. Theoretically speaking, then they are
—[154:36.100 --> 154:44.620] equivalent. If you are speaking from just theory, the dollar amounts don't matter. Somebody getting, if you own a company, any,
—[154:44.620 --> 154:52.680] and to your socialism point too, I disagree, but because the government is getting rich in socialism the government is the private wealth though and as you can buy and
—[154:52.680 --> 155:00.960] sell things I think you're thinking of communism more maybe I'm thinking of communist no I'm talking about socialism we just googled it but capitalism
—[155:01.040 --> 155:09.220] is private ownership right cool whatever the case may be but again you own uncle bobby's Let's say Uncle Bobby's franchised and had 50
—[155:09.220 --> 155:17.280] Uncle Bobby's around. Now it's relative that Mark is making this certain amount of money, but somebody that's selling the books and Uncle Bobby's is quote unquote being
—[155:17.280 --> 155:25.560] exploited. Now that exploitation is relative because that person that works at Uncle Bobby's might be happy as fuck making $25 an hour working at Uncle
—[155:25.560 --> 155:33.580] Bobby's. But somebody else could come and look at him and say, Mark is only paying you $25 an hour? That's bullshit. The same way somebody in China or Indonesia can
—[155:33.580 --> 155:41.600] say, yo, I'm happy as fuck to have this job. But by our standards, they are being exploited. Is there any standard where we could probably as a community agree? Yeah,
—[155:41.600 --> 155:50.000] when it comes to kids and shit like that, I'm just not on board. But that's their way of life in those countries. But you can't make these Nikes without that. The ones I'm wearing too.
—[155:50.660 --> 155:58.980] True. We can't do that. So if we say, well, Lebron's a billionaire. Yeah, but for the world... There's our standards. And that's where I'm disagreeing. I'm saying that to suggest that it's
—[155:58.980 --> 156:07.120] arbitrary, $25, 000 an hour versus 15 might be, depending on what the economy says. But a kid having to work in a factory, instead of going to school,
—[156:07.120 --> 156:15.140] just having to work in a factory isn't. Somebody working below a living wage where you can have food, clothing, shelter, even a little bit of recreation, those things I think are reasonable standards that
—[156:15.140 --> 156:23.540] we can all agree people should have. It's the state of New Jersey. But LeBron might become a billionaire because of the Nikes, but he's not the 1 that's setting that up or exploiting that kid in Indonesia.
—[156:23.560 --> 156:31.560] Exactly. You're making my point. But I just don't understand how that makes him such a villain. But what about? I'm just more so understanding. It's not necessarily a much I'm trying to make up. I'm just
—[156:31.560 --> 156:39.740] trying to understand what you're saying. Here's my response. That's why I don't villainize the billionaire. I'm talking about the system that creates the billionaire. It's just like if I said schools are fucked
—[156:39.740 --> 156:47.880] up. When I say police are fucked up, policing is fucked up, everybody gets it. Nobody gets mad when I say fuck the police. But if I said fuck the teachers, y'all would be like, no, I know some great teachers. That don't mean
—[156:47.880 --> 156:56.160] the system ain't fucked up for me It's not about the end of it The individual is about this the kind of system that creates the situation where for me to get this billion
—[156:56.160 --> 157:04.320] dollars somebody else has to be Fuck what about what about what about since we're talking about artists and music. What about someone like Drake who mostly
—[157:04.320 --> 157:12.480] existed in a non-physical medium where there's no sweatshop labor involved, there's no exploitation in that manner, maybe someone didn't get
—[157:12.480 --> 157:22.480] paid that should have got paid, that's possible, but Is he a bad person if he's a billionaire again? I'm there was no exploitation of I
—[157:22.480 --> 157:30.540] think that becomes a distraction to the point right? Yeah, Drake could be a great person bad person Whatever isn't about Drake or any other billionaire in particular for me any more than I know great
—[157:30.540 --> 157:39.180] tops, right? Right. I know I know great prison guards people wonderful people. It doesn't mean it's speaking against a system I know great soldiers it right these
—[157:40.440 --> 157:49.240] systems are designed in a way where my success depends on your failure. There has to be winners and losers. I understand. And winners and Losers is fine for Potter the month, I'm coming. Winners
—[157:49.240 --> 157:57.600] and losers fine for sports, but when we start talking about social outcomes, where my winning at a certain level, not all level, at a certain level means that somebody's
—[157:57.600 --> 158:07.440] not gonna get a house or somebody's not gonna have healthcare, which is what happens. Most of the wealth in the world is consumed is held by a very very small number of people It
—[158:07.440 --> 158:15.640] could be different I agree it's greed that's great that's why you need mechanisms in place But capitalism at its purest doesn't have those mechanisms At
—[158:15.640 --> 158:24.560] the beginning I think the biggest problem is not the Capitalism is the way that our country in particular, but I'm sure other countries give these corporations Special
—[158:24.560 --> 158:32.700] privileges that they do not give the individual. So here's I hear this Isn't that at the birth of this nation? Yes, sure. That's what I want to speak to free market
—[158:33.220 --> 158:41.280] free market that needed a whole race of people Was birthed from the cotton economy
—[158:41.280 --> 158:49.480] which came through the enslaved Correct, but what I'm saying is in your circumstance In your
—[158:49.480 --> 158:57.620] circumstance I feel you like in the sense of winners and losers. I personally, I mean, I just feel like that's life. Life is about winning and losing. That's survival. I feel like
—[158:57.620 --> 159:06.500] that's caveman times. And I understand where you're coming from, from an idealistic circumstance. It would be nice if everybody was getting everything. But I mean, that's more
—[159:06.500 --> 159:14.820] survival than I'm saying you just removing personal like circumstances and all that different stuff. And to Isha's point to like our only like
—[159:14.820 --> 159:23.240] our view of wit, like a wonderful life is and like what's the quality of life is is different based off where we live. How we live in Jersey is not the same how they live in Indonesia.
—[159:23.240 --> 159:31.240] So to his point, not to say kids, we not saying kids, but somebody, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying to his point somebody making 4 dollars or a dollar or something
—[159:31.240 --> 159:39.300] like that, they may be, there's the system that they mom did, and that's how they live and that's how they survive. The same way somebody being a janitor, not to put it at a bookstore, not to
—[159:39.300 --> 159:47.620] put it on your journal, is how they take care of it and they pay for their family. So like from an idealistic standpoint, I understand, but reasonably, like I don't think that works. But it's not idealistic.
—[159:47.780 --> 159:55.840] And that's the thing, and to pause it. Can I just ask you before you go on, because it's my only question, like what country or continent has a system that
—[159:55.840 --> 160:04.020] None? That you fucking with? So, and this is a great question, right? I think the best example are the models where we see example for example,
—[160:04.020 --> 160:12.100] you go to Canada you see a socialist model of health care it works because People everybody has access to health care now is the line or is the
—[160:12.100 --> 160:20.280] line longer? Yes, it's still based on capitalism and that is an idea a lot. No, but that's the point. Let me finish. Because I agree with what you said,
—[160:20.280 --> 160:28.420] is that you're saying it's not just capitalism. It's how it's being managed. Yes. Well, all the things that are done to manage capitalism. Are because of capitalism.
—[160:28.680 --> 160:36.900] Yeah. Yeah. I get it. OK, well, let's make the corporations pay more. Let's make the rich pay more. Let's have the poor pay less. Let's make public education so that everybody,
—[160:36.900 --> 160:45.060] no matter how much money they have, you know, can still get an education. These are all anti-capitalist moves inside of a capitalist system. These are
—[160:45.060 --> 160:53.100] forms of basically socialism that we're installing to keep capitalism at arm's length. So that's the point. So it's not that capitalism is working, it's that the things that
—[160:53.100 --> 161:01.400] are working are things that are the least capitalist about the system. But they're still fake, yo, in a theoretical, they're theoretically cute. My girls
—[161:01.520 --> 161:09.760] aren't just passed away in Canada because they have universal health care But it's still based on how much money you got So if you got a certain amount of money you go to a different
—[161:09.760 --> 161:17.800] hospital and you can be seen immediately With the universal health care my girls people sat in a fucking ER for like 14 hours and
—[161:17.800 --> 161:26.180] didn't get seen because they didn't have no money and she bled to death in the ER. And think of all the people in the United States who can't even get to the hospital or who can't afford to get out.
—[161:26.280 --> 161:34.380] But also let's not make, and rest in peace, because Canada is not my point as much as their European models of social. I was just touching on your point. That's a fair point. In Portugal, they got
—[161:34.400 --> 161:42.440] universal, it's still based on money. The motherfuckers with the bread get seen first and they get better care. So that's across the board. So what would be
—[161:42.440 --> 161:50.580] better? But again, that makes my point. Y'all making his point. No I'm not. Yes, yes you are. What I'm saying is- The system would be better if money- I'm asking a question. The system would be better
—[161:50.580 --> 161:58.700] according to what you're saying if she got seen despite not having enough money. Which is an anti-capitalist. But Mark- At the start of this nation, at the start of this nation, the birth
—[161:58.700 --> 162:06.780] of America, they utilized a certain level of the system and they took what they needed to take from it to make it seem like it's actually operating for
—[162:06.780 --> 162:14.800] all of us, and it's not. So we, ever, it's never. That's been the consistency of our nation. I'm not saying that there's anything
—[162:14.800 --> 162:22.860] wrong with someone becoming a billionaire, But at some point we have to address the system from day 1 has been fucked up and it's not there to help the lower class or
—[162:22.860 --> 162:31.200] anybody from that point proceed forward. And because there are people who know how to play into the game a little better than others, you always shit on the little man.
—[162:32.300 --> 162:40.300] And that's just the system of capitalism in respects to the United States of America. And that's my point that I'm trying to make. That's not
—[162:40.300 --> 162:48.380] a United States thing. I agree. That is a world thing. Right. Capitalism is global. That's the problem. That's a world thing. Can I bring it back to the whole goal? To Jay-Z's
—[162:48.380 --> 162:56.580] point, yo, I'm not living in an idealistic society. I live in a real society, and I'm gonna play by the rules that society have set forth, because
—[162:56.580 --> 163:04.620] Antoine Marby is not gonna live long enough to rewrite the rules of society, So I'm not gonna be mediocre for this moral ideal and have my
—[163:04.620 --> 163:12.740] children be mediocre for this moral ideal that I might find Unfair no if I play basketball and the nigga tell me I could take 3 steps for my layup Guess
—[163:12.740 --> 163:20.820] what the fuck I'm gonna take I'm gonna take 3 steps. I don't say no yo It's it's you only post it. It's a fight I think everybody up here wants to be able
—[163:20.820 --> 163:28.860] to take advantage of the moment and do what they can do. But you can also point out, now I don't agree with Mark was saying, there should be no billionaires, but you can also point out that we live
—[163:28.860 --> 163:37.200] and we deal with it a fucked up system. What I'm saying is, you're trying to point. I'm thinking more to the system. 1 time you said, yo, you don't think that there could be a
—[163:38.620 --> 163:46.660] billionaire that's good, or something along that point. I don't think you become a billionaire with that in an entirely ethical way is what
—[163:46.660 --> 163:54.740] I'm saying. And that's still my point. It's not changing. What I'm saying is though, people focus on that and then they focus on the individual character of the billionaires and
—[163:54.740 --> 164:02.780] it becomes a distraction to the more important point, which is the system. I'm not, I still hold on to the point I made. But actually, no, no, the system is broken. I'm not sure. But to the topic
—[164:02.780 --> 164:10.800] of the conversation, his whole thing is, and Manny brought up a great point of what he said is, he doesn't see the world. Joe Farr has a great way to keep me here. Well, no, he's saying he's not seeing the world. I
—[164:10.800 --> 164:18.880] know what it's like. I know what to do. He's not seeing the world for what he wants it to be. He's asking about capitalism in front of his wife. He's operating. He also says that. He also says that. He bodied in front of his wife
—[164:18.880 --> 164:26.920] too. My fault, I ain't dying. I ain't my fault. I'm not gonna lie to you. You bodied in front of his wife. All I'm gonna say is- He was on fire. He was on fire. He went like
—[164:26.920 --> 164:35.141] this. He went like this. All I'm gonna say is- You should have known that when they said about feminism. Oh, shit. Oh, boy.
—[164:35.141 --> 164:43.240] Yeah, that's crazy. All I'm saying is, Jay, at every point also, and correct me if I'm wrong, it seems as this. At every point when he had an opportunity
—[164:43.240 --> 164:51.460] to reach back or correct the system when it was taking advantage of somebody or he could lift somebody up and give them an opportunity or give them a chance, he went out his way to do that.
—[164:51.460 --> 164:59.640] So I understand what you're saying. It's a system thing. It's not him personally. He's speaking on him as somebody who came from the lower class that also now made it to billionaire
—[164:59.640 --> 165:08.060] status trying to understand, well, y'all didn't think I was a bad person when I was in Marcy Projects. Now y'all saying I'm a bad person because I'm doing all this stuff and he's using his situation
—[165:08.460 --> 165:16.720] to put other people on which, in my opinion, is more so, I'm not gonna say it's influencing billionaires because I know billionaires do what they wanna do, but I'm saying he's showing,
—[165:16.720 --> 165:25.180] at least when you get on, how you carry it. There are certainly better and worse ways to be a billionaire. There's no doubt about that. You can't. I just don't get him on because he speaks against
—[165:25.200 --> 165:33.420] a system that he operates. Yeah. That's no trope. That's what I do. That's all Jay's saying. No, but Jay's not. That is what he's
—[165:33.420 --> 165:41.580] saying. I understand what he's saying. I'm disagreeing with what he's saying. He's not just a helpless cog in the machine. There are lots of things you can do when you have billions
—[165:41.580 --> 165:49.580] of dollars other than just be somebody with billions of dollars. But also there's a level of- You don't think he's doing them? Some of them, and some of them he's not going to. And I'm not, again, I'm not saying make the black
—[165:49.580 --> 165:57.980] billionaire the first dude that has fallen on the sword. Again, that's why I'm focusing on the system. What are all these things that he should do? Like give the money away.
—[165:57.980 --> 166:06.040] No, you can't change the system. Ask the Palestinians. You can't change the system from being outside the system. You're about to get an extra fire.
—[166:06.260 --> 166:14.480] Bro, listen. I'm not in that 1. No, listen. You can't change the system from being outside the system. You're about to get an extra fire. Bro, listen. Bro, no listen. You can't change the system from outside. You gotta go, yo. You have to get inside the system to slowly make
—[166:14.480 --> 166:22.540] modifications. So like dismantle the clan from the inside. I agree with what you said. You said there's some things you can't be. No, I'm saying some systems
—[166:22.540 --> 166:30.660] so evil you can't... But Mark, even leading to your point, the way you got into the system, we could look at as, like you said, you utilize a lot of the shit that you was
—[166:30.660 --> 166:38.720] doing, which would be deemed as fucking up the community, to actually put yourself in this position to become this billionaire.
—[166:39.340 --> 166:47.540] To me, your start already is kind of fucked up. That's my point. And that's why I said, I mean. That's what I'm saying. Cause like, if he doesn't sell Girl Scout cookies. It's 1 thing to say, I'm gonna go ahead
—[166:47.540 --> 167:03.480] and make t-shirts and then there's gonna be someone else that might not get the full Pay worth doing it then saying I'm gonna start my brand by selling drugs fucking
—[167:03.480 --> 167:12.460] tired of people just judging people like nobody's fucking perfect. That shit is so crazy. Hold on, hold on. It's
—[167:12.460 --> 167:20.560] not a whole thing. I love y'all. I'ma go. Peace, peace. But I'm saying, bro, we can't just be
—[167:20.560 --> 167:29.380] judging people by the worst parts of their story or the worst parts of their character. I think it's commendable. I'm not gonna get it off. And that's how I feel. He's
—[167:29.380 --> 167:37.540] supposed to be on Boots, son. Yo, I think it's commendable that I was doing this 1 thing. I saw the deficiencies in the system and I'm
—[167:37.540 --> 167:45.540] trying to correct the system. Y'all picking and choosing. Let me explain why I think you're picking and choosing, right? We had a conversation up here. Thank you
—[167:45.540 --> 167:53.580] B.Dot. Peace B.Dot. We had a conversation up here where we clowned somebody for doing what we felt he needed to do to try to get himself out of his
—[167:53.580 --> 168:01.640] rut, right? Sadly enough for him, he got caught up in the midst of it where he's not able to actually see the fruits of that come to life, right? And everyone
—[168:01.660 --> 168:09.860] had the whole conversation of I don't know me either the Geechie Gotti shit Okay, right. So when everybody started to talk about it, there was 2
—[168:09.860 --> 168:17.980] sides people sat on we sat on the side of yo That's just what he has to do to kind of get himself out of a rut Oh, I didn't sit on that side. Joe
—[168:17.980 --> 168:26.080] didn't. You didn't, I know, but I just saw you were just shaking like when Ziya said what he said as far as holding somebody to the worst of their stories. I don't think that's the case what
—[168:26.080 --> 168:34.440] we doing. We just pointing out the fact that that is a part of your story and what got you to this point. There's also a lot of billionaires who did not go that route. And
—[168:34.900 --> 168:43.340] they did not affect the community in that way. Now I do think Jay's effect on the community positively outweighs anything that he might have did negatively
—[168:43.340 --> 168:51.740] in the past. But it is something worth mentioning if we're going to go ahead and criticize a lot of other people who are doing the same. Not to me. I don't agree. I
—[168:51.740 --> 169:00.080] totally disagree with Mark about he has no choice but to operate in it. What else can you do? He doesn't have to. Yo dog, let me tell you something.
—[169:00.180 --> 169:08.380] My nigga, if you look at somebody's story, and we all know these people, so this ain't even a foreign concept. I know people that at 13 and 14
—[169:08.380 --> 169:16.830] years old, my man told me when we was little, he went home, they only had a head of lettuce and a bottle of ketchup in the refrigerator. This is a true story. So
—[169:16.900 --> 169:25.040] my nigga, I can't because I've never went home and didn't have food. I can't now tell this kid what choices he should
—[169:25.040 --> 169:33.220] and shouldn't make from a morality standpoint. It is bullshit. So if this person- You're never coaching. Yeah, basically armchair quarterback. So if this person now
—[169:33.220 --> 169:41.400] at 14 years old goes outside and they can say, yo, I'm gonna pay you $50 a day to be a lookout. You got 2 sisters, right? Now I can feed my sisters with this $50.
—[169:41.480 --> 169:49.880] We got to have some food now. Survival. And now, now I start getting older and older. Yo, take this package over there to blah, blah, blah. Tell him he gonna get you, come back with that.
—[169:49.940 --> 169:58.000] Yo, as a result now, you can't tell this person at 15, 16 years old that they could go get a job. That sounds like that Republican bullshit that they tell
—[169:58.000 --> 170:06.300] you, yo, you coulda did make better choices. Yo, dog, when you 15, 16, you live in these communities, my nigga. You get what the community offers. You can't
—[170:06.300 --> 170:14.560] go outside of your community and make other options or alternatives to put food on your table. You gotta take what's given. What you do at 15 and 16
—[170:14.560 --> 170:22.560] also stares you into the path that you end up leaning into. But I also, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. True, but you saying- I would love to finish.
—[170:22.560 --> 170:30.580] No, go ahead, E. I was speaking, but you come here, go. I go ahead. So when you 15, 16 years old, you saying that put you on your path. I've been trying to talk for
—[170:30.580 --> 170:38.800] the past album. You said that put you on your path, right? But you can't now hold that person to a standard saying, yo, you built your empire on drug money.
—[170:38.940 --> 170:47.120] That's what he did. What I was saying, I think is 2 total differences between you saying someone utilizing someone else's labor
—[170:47.120 --> 170:55.260] in a certain way in comparison to someone pumping drugs into the street. I'm not saying 1 should be highlighted more than the
—[170:55.260 --> 171:03.540] other today, but I do think it's 2 totally different things when we start talking about it. I just felt like if the system is broken, we shouldn't judge the niggas that figured it out.
—[171:03.660 --> 171:11.760] But we've had all. No, no, no, no, no. We shouldn't judge the niggas that figured it out. Why would we judge them and not judge the system for even rewarding it? Like it's
—[171:11.760 --> 171:20.060] a, it's a, it's a, But I'm saying we shouldn't judge the niggas who did not figure it out either. Us winning in the system is a loophole in the system. Exactly. And we figured
—[171:20.060 --> 171:28.220] out the matrix. And I don't think you should judge a nigga at 42 about a decision that he made at 15 to survive. To me, that's the weirdest shit of
—[171:28.220 --> 171:36.280] the whole thing. I don't think we should judge anybody at any point based off what they're doing to survive. And as people who have sat up here and done that on both sides, I'm just like, we have to pick a side.
—[171:36.280 --> 171:44.300] I'm judging that shit, Gigi Gotti did. And see, that's my point. I don't think that you should be allowed to do that. But that's not fair though. That's not fair though, Joe. That's not fair. That's what I'm saying. Because
—[171:44.300 --> 171:52.460] we don't know what situa- And that's what I'm talking to you. When caffeine had the situation with battery, that nigga was making 50, 000, 40, 000 a pop. You go from that caffeine leave,
—[171:52.460 --> 172:00.640] now you're not making as much, you're not battery as frequent. You're not making nothing. And you gotta do what you gotta do. Now maybe we can say, well you shouldn't have invested your money properly, maybe
—[172:00.640 --> 172:09.000] you could say you should have saved your money to what I'm saying because I agree with the you got to do what you got to do I just don't think Geechie Gotti falls
—[172:09.000 --> 172:17.060] in that boat The point Joe May period just because
—[172:17.060 --> 172:25.380] that he made it that far to be Geechie Gotti that he could have other resources He had other options that was Joe Geechie Gotti could have called my phone Like
—[172:25.380 --> 172:33.860] and of course he wouldn't know to do that and I wouldn't tell him they're gonna do that But I'm just saying like He could have called your phone and did what? No,
—[172:33.860 --> 172:41.940] and I'm not trying to be funny. I'm like, for real, like, because a lot of people don't even know that they have access to maybe just some information. So let's just say at bare minimum, he just
—[172:41.940 --> 172:50.480] needs some information, right? Before I go, Rob, to CBS, I'm talking about me now. I'm not talking about Gigi Gotti. I am calling Zaire, Corey
—[172:50.880 --> 172:59.160] Keith, Mona. I'm calling any nigga phone number I got to try to not do that. Like
—[172:59.160 --> 173:07.240] I'm exhausting my options. Joe, that's you. They're saying you don't know nobody's, and we're probably going circling now,
—[173:07.240 --> 173:15.320] But they say you don't know nobody position so I don't want to sound like the guy that's out of touch I get it you don't but I just don't think you G Goddy was in that and this
—[173:15.320 --> 173:23.620] wasn't about him So let me take him out and I hope he's doing well, too, by the way. I hope he's doing well, shout out to Gigi. I think for you, maybe you just having a little more insight
—[173:23.620 --> 173:31.720] and just having a little more comfortability reaching out to people, you'll be able to do that. I look at people in that situation, ask someone who's been in
—[173:31.720 --> 173:39.760] that situation. Niggas don't like hitting niggas for nothing. Niggas, I'm- I get it. No point. People like asking people for anything. That's the whole thing, being uncomfortable. It don't matter if
—[173:39.760 --> 173:47.820] you like it, because you also not gonna like going to jail for another 10 years real quick. But some people would rather take that risk of doing some shit that
—[173:47.820 --> 173:55.840] they know that they can do on their own than having to come to someone and ask them for something and then either getting denied or getting the wrong information. I'd say all the
—[173:55.840 --> 174:04.180] time, before coming up here, whatever the fuck I was doing, I shouldn't have been doing. And at no point did I feel comfortable to say to somebody, yo, you got
—[174:04.180 --> 174:12.200] a spot, you got a joint, boom, boom. And I know niggas. I know a bunch of niggas I coulda hit up. But in my brain, that wasn't an option for me. I'm gonna go
—[174:12.200 --> 174:20.220] do it on my own because I shouldn't have to. I'm telling you, I'd like it to be an option before you rob CVS. Hey Z, whenever y'all play the Colts, whatever week that is, put
—[174:20.220 --> 174:28.320] me right in that will call, boy. Just write my name on will call. I need you outside in Chicago, in the mean. Oh, we lit, Chicago
—[174:28.540 --> 174:38.560] Pets. Yo, we out there for that. Fuck them niggas talking about the beers. It'll be nice. Yeah. I
—[174:38.560 --> 174:46.940] think people's views are a little fucked up. No, we did it. I think we did it too, fellas. Yeah, we did a good job. I think we did it. A round of applause for y'all. A Round of applause for
—[174:46.940 --> 174:55.120] yourselves. Great show, yeah. You right. Round of applause, yo. But the rest, we love y'all. We love y'all. We love y'all. We love y'all. The
—[174:55.120 --> 175:03.260] niggas got a mid-joy and left, nigga. I think we did it. Well, B. Dot was only supposed to be here for 10 minutes. Yeah, I know. And I stayed. He was scared to get up. Then I wanted to get at that nigga
—[175:03.260 --> 175:11.320] about the hate, but I'll get him next time. Well, hate on you? Nah, I hated on that nigga. You hated on him? Yeah. Did you hate his face? Yeah, when I came in. Said B-Dot
—[175:11.320 --> 175:19.440] shouldn't get part of the money. He'd just be hating. He needed to be hating. He wasn't even getting any hate on him. B-Dot ain't getting no part of the money. They took me an inch out of the joint. How you put a beat
—[175:19.440 --> 175:27.440] out of this shit? It took you 2 niggas out. They took us out. No, what you got to talk about? On an AI picture. No, no, on an AI picture. It's an AI picture. It's a bad AI picture though. They
—[175:27.440 --> 175:35.580] got you looking like Deezus from Deezus and Mero. No, they don't. It look just like him. No it don't. I don't look good in no pictures no more. But it's AI. It
—[175:35.580 --> 175:43.940] ain't. In the real shit. Yes you do. You look like you be bodying nice. Joe you're handsome. You be looking nice. I ain't gonna lie. You be standing over there and I was like you shrunk up.
—[175:44.760 --> 175:53.140] And I think you're more handsome. Joe I think you're more handsome at this age than as a young boy. I think you look good like this with the salt and pepper. You look handsome. Fuck
—[175:53.140 --> 176:01.160] you up. Say something. Fuck you up. You're not on nothing. Where the fuck you going? Nothing, nigga. Where you going? You're too lazy. You're
—[176:01.160 --> 176:09.220] too slow. You're too slow to box with God. Never. This was a great day. Let this nigga close it out. This was a real good day. Niggas Keith said he had a car. He
—[176:09.220 --> 176:17.360] knows. Mona got these niggas. Big Keith! Niggas Keith said, Mona saw something like shit, that nigga was like this. Yeah.
—[176:18.080 --> 176:26.080] He was like this nigga. I like this nigga. Because his 45 not likey means it's loaded and locked. Hey. I'm talking about shit that nigga like this. Yeah. You like that with this nigga. Yeah, cause his, cause his 4 or 5 not like he mean it. It's Lord in lock. Oh, he's burning
—[176:26.080 --> 176:35.860] me up. Hey. Hold up. Bell, come on man. Get that off you good, you good. I'm playing. That man nigga was shooting blanks. Watch
—[176:35.860 --> 176:43.980] your mouth. Ray Ray gave him a blank gun. Look at Blank Man. That's my man though. That's my man. That's my man. Ray Ray is available. Ray Ray hits on the first ring.
—[176:43.980 --> 176:52.420] What up my nigga, E-Manny! Good, I'm good. Remember that 1 fall when he pulled the gun out in the projects? That's a good nigga right there. Sign us out. Hey,
—[176:52.420 --> 177:00.600] listen, all the hoes is confused. The niggas is going to sleep in t-shirts and no drawers. This is so not my sign
—[177:00.600 --> 177:14.500] off. I don't know how to do it. I think you're doing great The niggas is what the niggas are doing Course
—[177:14.500 --> 177:23.620] shut your ass up. You don't really know. Oh Man, oh shit. It just dawned. Yo, bro. Don't start that shit 68
—[177:23.840 --> 177:31.840] degrees today Friday night. It feels good out there. Are you going out for real? Yeah, I'm probably going out for sure. For real?
—[177:31.840 --> 177:45.200] It's freedom day. I ain't gonna lie to y'all. I told my girl it's freedom day. It's freedom day. I'm sure she'd love that. I wanna go out with you. It's freedom. I know she hates that shit. But it's definitely crazy. So When
—[177:45.200 --> 177:53.460] she was here, it was jail day. He don't got that many freedom days left. Yeah. It's been such a good day. He don't have that many freedom
—[177:53.460 --> 178:01.760] days left. You know, the funny shit, that's a fact. You really don't. So I'm trying to get my shit on. The funny shit is, all the flights was fucked up, so she was stuck. But
—[178:01.760 --> 178:10.160] I also know she got a thing like it triggers her when she leaves and I immediately go out that
—[178:10.160 --> 178:18.160] do so. We had a problem because now you're not in control of your flight situation. So you left on a Wednesday.
—[178:18.820 --> 178:26.820] That's my mother fucking night. But she was watching me like, oh, I know you're going out tonight. So I chilled just because she was watching me. Then Thursday
—[178:26.880 --> 178:35.040] came. That ain't my night. Another night of rest. Yeah, rest up. Oh, I'm in the crib killing it. Tonight. Bed by none. Tonight.
—[178:35.480 --> 178:43.680] Don't make up. I might be home at 67I might spend the night somewhere. There you go. Just sleep in the car, right? Yeah,
—[178:43.680 --> 178:51.880] we just gotta see what's going on. Baby, I love you. Mwah. All right, so before we go, the Michelin star. Yeah,
—[178:52.020 --> 179:00.320] come on, y'all. Everybody get up. Get up, y'all. Just everybody get up at the same time. Y'all don't care about this Michelin star shit. Flip said 5, you mean?
—[179:00.320 --> 179:08.940] He said nigga fire me. He said 5, you mean? He said we had no time. Flip is out. 3. 0, shit. Oh, bro. 3 in 10 minutes. All
—[179:08.940 --> 179:17.047] right, Patronis. I guess, I guess. Michelin star, I'll have to wait. 3, 2. Damn. I Flip this out ego 3 and 10 minutes Hi Patronus, I guess I guess
—[179:17.047 --> 179:25.160] I have to wait Patroni until I get a staff that's willing to do some work until I get a staff that's willing to do some work. Until I get a staff that's willing to fucking work for
—[179:25.160 --> 179:33.200] more than 12 hours. Then some Premium content will come your way, but until then
—[179:33.420 --> 179:45.560] let's just blog this blog in my camera This crew don't give a fuck but you know these love you
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