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0:00 The thoughts views and opinions expressed by this podcast as well as its hosts offer entertainment purposes only I Repeat it 0:08 is not serious. It is not real. No 1 is exposing revealing indicting Or telling you 0:16 anything about themselves Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals. Do not have your best 0:24 interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Let's do it. Steal money from white people. Huh? Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? Yeah in 0:32 a minute. I want to have a talk about what we wear up here We do be bugging we get our shit off Mark him and 0:40 mark beginning a shit. Oh, we have time even so man it frees, but he's just in it now How it always hang oh, I'm glad I've got 0:48 no money on me. No, I think reason you get money for some of that shit That's what I think but I ain't even mad at that. No for sure, but I bought this But I didn't get any way from this 0:56 is what that for thousand shit for sure. Oh my I heard y'all little conversation to which 1 you 1:04 and mark had quarter on YouTube You in the spaces I ain't gonna mention the spaces but That's 1:13 the second time you said spaces. Oh, we're on. Yeah, we're recording. Oh, shit, I thought we was on. What about talk? Oh, a little conversation I 1:21 had about. What about it? I remember the talk, what about it? Okay, it was interesting takes. What did they have? What called the air? Let's bring it up in a minute. Let's bring it up in a minute. Yeah, we'll bring it up later. Come 1:29 on, DJ Scratch, Come on, man. Come sit down, nigga. Yeah, yeah, stop playing with me. Stop fucking playing with me in here. Uh-oh. Hey. Oh, that's how you feel? Get the 1:41 vibe right back up in here. What y'all talking about? Ah hum, hum hum. I am unwritten, Can't 2:13 read my mind I'm undefined I'm just beginning 2:22 The turns in my hand Ending on plan Uh-uh, uh-uh Staring at the black page 2:31 before you Oh, my dear, remember The sun that had many other ways That is not my religion 2:39 Only something in the distance Something close you can almost taste it. There goes my Here we go, here we go. It's just feel the rain on 2:47 your skin. No 1 else can feel it for you. Only you can let it in. No 1 else, no 1 else 2:55 can see the words on your wrist. Just stop for a moment. Because if you're not taking my heart away, Today 3:03 is where your book begins. The rest is still unwritten. Hey! 3:12 Make some noise for Natasha Bannick, man! No, no, no. Legend in the building, legend in the building. Yeah, make some. 3:20 Yo, she throw me up. You got some projection. You gotta come on the road with me. Oh yeah, nah, I'm trying to find a new gig 3:30 Right now. Now, Flip, okay, Natasha, first of all, thank you for joining us. Thank you for taking 3:38 the time out. Honored to have you here. It's an honor to be here. I mean, I'm with a legend. This is legendary, and this whole thing went viral. Like 3:46 I, so many people were sending me you guys singing my song. Did you see us sing? I did. It was amazing. It was so much joy. It's the best. That warms 3:54 my heart. Flip, I'm surprised at you because she kind of did freeze you up Like you were star struck. Yeah, yeah, 4:02 yeah, I mean, you know. But this is your shit. This your joint. You know the words, but you couldn't get it. Long to train a thought real quick. She came in here in velvet, I 4:10 think. I don't know. Oh, she look like that? I feel like. You forgot what she look like right there. Yeah, I forgot what she look like. I'm gonna write it on your 4:19 skin. Oh my god. Oh shit. Bitch. Natasha, I want to ask you I 4:32 want to ask you how it feels, because I was at a Knick game recently, and this came on, and 20, 4:40 000 people went crazy. Also, they play Pump It Up in Knick games, and it don't get that, it don't. There's levels. There's levels. There's levels. 4:48 There's levels, But 20, 000 people just started going crazy. How does it feel to have like an all-time classic? 4:57 It's really cool. It really is amazing. You don't hate it? A lot of people hate their hits. Including this guy hated pumping up free hits. You hate your hits? You do? I 5:06 love your hits. It's just 1. It's just 1. Well same as me then. How 5:15 many of y'all got collectively? This show. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We'll take the show as a guess. With regards to what? And I ain't talking about it. How many of 5:23 y'all got? How many of y'all worked on it? How many of y'all in the park? Why you ain't talking about it? As a collective, because that's my man. That's why. Regarding that's why. Because that's my man. Which type of head? What your music, 5:31 though, I noticed is that you've influenced so many other people as well. Like, as I've been listening to the songs that you released, I can hear so many other 5:40 relevant artists that have been, have learned from you and have been inspired by you. I really could feel that. Compliments so great and damage. Eminem? 5:48 Eminem. I was wondering if you got like Gold Digger, like I was wondering if you got like any publishing on Gold Digger, because that 5:57 was, there was some reminiscent stuff in that song. That's interesting. That's not the first time that I've heard that. Get down, go get here, get down. Yeah, that's not the first time that I've heard that before. Yeah. 6:05 Oh shit, she really dissected it because I ain't even think about it. Are you serious? We finally have real musicians. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I thought she fucked it up. Nah, 6:14 she fucked up. She don't know she's... No. She took this guy ain't... No, she took... No, she took my... I get it. Get out musicians. I get it now. I get it now. 6:22 Are you fine? You thought I thought you was funny? I thought you fucked it up. I thought you were- She's like, oh. Yes. I'm joking. You're my girl. 6:30 We cool. Thought you was Jamie Foxx. You thought I was doing like, I liked you in the Matrix or something? Yeah. Oh shit. Yeah. That's good. No, I just heard that the melody 6:39 is the same as Pump It Up. Yes. I just said what you said now and then. I was fighting. Call your people, man. Worth it. Still time. Call your people. Shit, I'm still fighting for 6:47 the pub on my own. You have a pub on this record? Yes. Oh my God. So there's 3 people who wrote Unwritten, 2 6:55 people with me, and the guy who did the music, I heard you doing some beats on Unwritten, some scratching and stuff. That's 7:03 what he does. He's a DJ and he actually scratches records. So he was scratching all over that song. His name is Wayne Rodriguez 7:12 and then Daniel Breesboar. So yeah, it was cool. How much pub you get for scratching? Shit. Well, he did the music. He did the beat. Did those shit? Oh, he's out 7:20 of here. Yeah. He's out of here. Have you seen, have you seen, cause your record is? Timeless. It's timeless, but it's kind 7:28 of like having, being given like a new life almost today. Like have you seen an uptick from 7:37 TikTok? From some of the- The uptick from the TikToks, so I can like a real lyric writer. Have you ever wrote 7:45 a rhyme? I'm a, oh, well the way I write my lyrics is like I think like that. She's a hip hop fan. 7:53 She gives you that. It's all about word play. And a lot of times I write kind of dirty versions first. I don't know if you do that when you write, but like it's 8:01 like kind of like. It stays dirty though. Huh? It stays dirty. It stays dirty. For me, my brain is so dirty, but my songs are really pop, so like I have to 8:09 find other outlets for the dirty stuff, or I'll like change it and clean it up a bit. That's so interesting to me. What does a pop star do when your 8:17 mind is really... Yeah, like I'm the 1 who told Nicki Minaj to do songs about her butt. Seriously? Yeah. I was like, you need to do a song about your booty, you know, 8:26 your bottom. Wow. It worked. It worked. Thank you. It worked. Anyway, yeah, that's songwriting is 8:34 fun, but it's kind of like get past your like super, like you know the correctness, like sometimes the way to be inspired is to kind of like 8:42 just mix it up. Natasha, how hard was it to break in the US? Because you started out in Britain first. It 8:50 was really hard. Really hard. What was the process in that? So first, I had some hits in England. And then everyone was telling me it can't be done. There was 8:59 another artist called Kim Wild from England, who like 19 years early broke through, but there was some huge artists in England, Robbie Williams, Kylie Minogue, 9:07 who couldn't break it here, and then my label's like, don't, I don't think, just don't get your hopes up, that's a very English kind of way to 9:15 think about things, like don't, you know, it's probably impossible, but just kind of put your time in and with Unwritten, it was like 6 months. It 9:23 was a very slow build. Yeah. That's not slow. Well, it is. Usually songs kind of like, you know, if they're a hit within that 9:31 first month. The only song that I know of that was a slow build like that was All of Me by John Legend. It just like went up 1 spot every 9:40 week, which that's what happened with Unwritten. And I guess that's how you know if it's going to be a long burn. 20 9:48 years ago. 21 years. Were you prepared for all the success that came with the song? Were you 9:56 prepared for it? Or did it like, you know some people, they do music and they, and they're not 10:04 really prepared for the success and how it comes in. Because sometimes you may be an introvert, it may not be something that you just want the world to 10:12 hear you. You didn't necessarily want the whole thing that came with it? How did you handle that, or how did you feel about that? It's a really good question, because I think, like 10:20 an athlete, I pictured it. So I pictured it, some part of me knew it would happen. So I wasn't that surprised. I 10:29 was just like, you know, when you picture yourself winning. I knew I was gonna meet a president 1 day like my mom told me you're gonna meet a president 10:37 and then when I met President Obama I was like that's the right president. But 10:46 I wasn't totally prepared though because when I met him I didn't have anything to say. You just did. I was like, hi. You like that? So 10:55 I didn't change the world when I met the president. I don't know. But I wasn't prepared 11:04 for the fame part. That's kind of rough. You give me that. You give me that. I'm an introvert. What did you have to adjust 11:12 to when you started first touring the States? I think that you just kind of work out early on that there's like an altar of fame that you're 11:20 going to be willing to bow down to or not. And for me, it was like you have to date a famous person, a few famous people, which I just 11:28 like that I don't care about that. Like, you know, like I wasn't willing to tell the paparazzi where I am. So for me, like the fact that's why 11:36 the song became more, more famous than me, which I'm very happy. What am I so? Yeah, I'm hating on that too. I'm so jealous 11:44 of that. Right. That's so awesome to have a song be that big and yet can still be some places where 11:54 the song is bigger than you. Maybe some artists hate that. For me I would love that and loved it when it applied to me because I wasn't, it didn't get past 12:02 me. Yeah, but it depends on what your intention is. If your intention is to be known, to make great art or if your intention is to be 12:10 the most known person. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I like this song, These Words. Yeah, oh thank you. These words are 12:18 my own, from my heart flowing. I love you, I love you, I love you. You got your voice back, 12:26 yeah. So 1 way to know if it's... Listen, listen, I'll be respectful. But if Natasha just walked in the building like that, I just froze up. 12:35 It's not Natasha, which is cool. Hey. But that's not it. That's the ball. That's not it. Come on, bro. 12:43 I know, because I'm wearing the EEM version. 1 way to know if a song will be a hit, as soon as you write it, then sing it, pretend that you're drunk. Okay. If you can 12:51 sing it. He doesn't drink. Or pretend that you're an English soccer, football person. Hooligan. Sing it. 13:00 Hooligan, sing it. Hooligan. Just be a hooligan. I think we need more British slang in this podcast. Hooligans. Hooligan. 13:09 Chat shit. Sounds like a good band name. I thought that was our shit. All right. There we go. OK. There 13:18 we go. All right. That's my favorite. Hang in my lip together. That's rap shit right there. She's a rapper. 13:27 Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Hey. Hey. Yo, we scratching again. Down for you. I tried to 13:35 focus. Very boom-back. Yo, this is only boom. This might be boom-back. It is. It is. It is. 13:45 It's definitely a classic. You can tell 13:53 I'm a Lauryn Hill fan, right? When you hear this song Oh, for sure I'm a huge Lauryn Hill fan Brandi, India Ari, Stevie 14:03 Wonder So, like, you know, like, yeah It's such a label head thing to say, hey, 14:11 don't get your hopes up kid. That shit will never break over there. I mean, I'm listening to it with the gift of hindsight, but this shit 14:19 sound like it's a hit. It's a smash, regardless. And this is around what year? This is 2004, 2006 maybe? 2006 when this 14:27 record drops, right? So around that time is kind of the era of- Whereas The Love was huge. Yeah. 14:36 Then it ended up as a theme song too, right? Wasn't it a theme song of... What I... I'd written was a theme song of The Hills. 14:44 The Hills, yeah. But the big thing for me, that was my second hit in England, the big deal was, 14:54 so I just had brain fog. I don't remember what the big deal was. You had a, I won't say conservative, but you had a very 15:03 like, very girl next door type of vibe. Yeah. Was that push or was there like any push for the industry to kind of make you feel like you wanted to be like a sex symbol? 15:11 That was the push. Yeah, that was from the label because their artist before me, their most successful artist before me was Dido. So they really really 15:19 wanted me to wear jeans. Got it. I really hated jeans so yeah it's interesting. Did 15:27 you ever want to rebel against that? Did you feel like? I just chose my battles like I did rebel against that but like mostly I didn't know I was being controlled at that point and 15:36 I was like just grateful to be a songwriter and to have that much influence on the music. When did you realize you were being controlled? I found out when 15:44 the stylist told me that they were like going in there and telling her like I'm not allowed to wear certain things. I didn't know until later. I'm like, why did you 15:52 know you just you don't have a room full of stuff and you're like, okay, I got to throw something on. You know, it's it's kind of like, after you saw the certain amount 16:00 of albums, did you say, get the hell out of my face and wear what I want to wear yeah yeah like they say that the pop artists here Christina 16:08 Aguilera said something like that like they would making her like what a girl wants and all them songs that she hated them they made them make and then after the success she was like 16:16 get the fuck out of here let me do what I want to do. Yeah. And once you get the answer to 1 of those kind of questions, the artist mind just get to going and you get inquisitive. 16:25 You get really inquisitive, you start asking around, looking around differently than you were before. Well, that's why no 1 knew I had a butt. Until recently, My butt went viral over 16:34 the COVID. Yeah. I mean, that's peace. How did you say that? I mean, yeah. No, because they 16:43 just, like, they just, everyone wanted to look like Kate Moss back then. Like, it was like, you know. I'm glad she said it. Was 16:51 that? Oh, you noticed it. That's why I froze up. I was trying to be like respectful, singing 16:59 song artist to artist. Y'all was looking at ass. No. Y'all was looking at Natasha Billefield's ass. No. You're a jerk. 17:07 It's not, It's not unusual. It is a thing. It has a... It has a... Alright, let's get down to business. Let's get down to business. I'm chilling. 17:18 Put your O on your side. I'm chillin'. You said? I'm good. All right. You're a fool. I'm not offended. Did you ever feel any, You 17:26 always had ass. Always. Always. My whole life. Yo, Monty, Come on with this professionalism. I'm from New Zealand. That's a thing. You have to ask your own wife. I'm from New 17:34 Zealand. I'm not English. I'm from New Zealand and everyone has a butt in New Zealand. I didn't know that about New Zealand. Like Americans, you know? How you want to continue? Okay. 17:43 All right. I'm going to take us away. Tell us. Did you ever feel any animosity from the the US artists when you start to transition over? 17:52 Did you ever feel like there were certain women or certain artists from the states that kind of pushed against you? Yeah, I Couldn't say who 18:00 but but I was surprised. I was surprised how competitive people are, especially women. Yeah. Yeah. Why? Why 18:08 did that surprise you? I want to know what Google's search ish ish is going on right now. I think I know it, but I'm not going to say it. I don't think music can be... I don't think you can 18:17 really... Even winning awards on music, it's hard because it's like if people like it or I don't know, I don't think it's such a, I don't see it as, I guess I did say 18:25 it is a sport and you do want to be number 1, but I don't know. But there was a specific artist that you had experience with? She's not gonna say no. You don't have a say? Yeah, 18:33 yeah. Okay. Yeah. On tour? In New Zealand they don't do that shit, Imani. I don't know. What they do? I 18:42 just think that I see it as art, so I don't know. I got you. I'll tell you 1 thing. I'm going to New Zealand. So when you're not Musicianing 18:51 What are you doing? Like what is a regular day like Currently like today like I 18:59 wake you wake up. What's happening? I'm writing I'm really love writing big money. I 19:08 just love it. So that's what I would do for free. And I have a kid. I have an eight-year-old kid. 19:16 Boy or girl? A boy. She has a size. So I'm training up some good man for the future. Does he like 19:25 music? Yeah. Yeah. Really? Is he writing? Is he helping you write? He also doesn't like some music, like there's some songs that he really doesn't 19:34 like. Oh, I feel him. You know, which is great. I'm happy about that too. You know, like when your kid has taste. You 19:42 are. Do you, oh go ahead. Do you live in New York still? Yeah. Did you like living in New York? Or do you like living 19:50 in New York? I did you. Do you like living in New York compared to living in Europe? I like everywhere I've lived. Wherever 19:59 you lived. Sound like a politician. Yeah, you answer things so- I love being at home, so I'm a homebody, and everywhere I've lived, I've lived in LA, 20:08 I've lived in London. All the writer places. Yeah. I love Paris. Living with other writers, I love collaborating. I 20:16 haven't lived in Paris. It's a writer place. Nashville. Yeah, we're hanging on. I don't love, is that okay to say? I don't really love, I did live in Nashville 20:24 for a minute. I didn't love that. Really? Yeah. Okay. Where have you lived? New York, New Jersey, North 20:32 Carolina. That's it. Nowhere else. Nowhere else. You 20:40 mentioned your son. There was something that you guys were dealing with your son at a certain 0 yeah, 20:48 yeah, yeah. Did that, did you look to music to kind of like seize or like ease you in that moment or was it something that you stepped away from? Well he was 2 and 20:56 he had a brain surgery and it was like never explained what it was but it got completely fixed. So it was an amazing 21:05 experience to see, be in a hospital for 5 weeks and to see just like how amazing doctors can be, nurses 21:13 and everything. It was just, that's definitely life changing and it puts perspective on things. Because I think music industry people, we think 21:21 that music is everything. And then when you go, oh man, like life. Real life hits. So it helps with decisions and stuff. Yeah. 21:31 Did you step away from music at that point or were you like kind of like run to it? Run to it. Probably was in the, like anyone who goes 21:39 through like a life changing, like when someone's dying or someone's nearly, they don't think of every, like everything stops in that moment. 1 thing I 21:47 did realize that, like if somebody's in hospital, you never need to ask them like, what do you need, what shall I bring? You just bring it. Because they can't even think, 21:55 they don't think about food. Like you don't eat, you know. And bring it from before you get to the hospital, 22:03 not the gift shop. Yes. Oh, the gift shop is a trap. That little gift shop, though, I'm up there dying, you come bring a little balloon. Nah. No. 22:12 Little teddy bear. Nobody want that bullshit. No flowers. No. Yeah. When I was in the hospital, people would be like, fuck it, you need me to bring some food? And they would 22:20 come to the hospital cafeteria and bring an oil bar pan joint. Hospital food is so gross. That's fine. Yeah. That's 22:29 a lovely deep question. Thank you. Well, research. Going through something like that, you 22:37 try and hold on to it and be like I'm gonna help everyone when I get out of here and then as soon as you feel better you're like I don't even want to like 22:46 think about it. You know, but it is great to have those things that you feel you can connect and you 22:54 learn about stuff. Where you at with music today? What are you looking forward to or doing? I've got new music. I'm 23:03 just like working out how to get it out. I'm excited about that, yeah. Collaborate. I love TikTok. I love collaborating with 23:11 people. I think it's so fun how it's connecting everybody. For sure. You know, yeah. So you're meeting like a lot of musicians and other songwriters and stuff 23:19 there? Yeah, yeah. It's a good community. It's a lot of, it's not just dancers, but there are a lot of great dancers too. For sure. So you don't have any issue 23:27 with like writing with a team versus writing by yourself? I always write with a team. Really? Yeah, I love it feels like 23:35 being in SNL. Like I feel like a comedy writer. And you just kind of like tease each other and you end up with a song at the end. You know, I love it. In America, that would never 23:44 be the case. What do you mean? Greed would overcome artistry over here. No, but you just have to have exactly equal splits. R&B 23:53 splits. Yeah, you do splits. Pop splits. Pop splits. Anyone who's in the room, unless they're an engineer, is a writer. The sad part is, in pop 24:01 world, that is a thing that's just common. Like it's literally, I won't say just the urban thing, but usually within hip hop or R&B culture, 24:10 the split sheet is out, everyone's out. You got 12% of this, you got to, it's- It just ruins the, because it, it just ruins it because 24:18 then, like the best idea should win, not the loudest person, the most convincing person. Yeah. 24:26 What do you stand on as a writer, what do you stand on contributions from AI? I think it's stealing. Yeah, 24:38 I think I was going to do amazing stuff. You think I stealing from humans or humans are stealing from AI? Both. So some people are using AI and then 24:46 getting the musicians to play what the AI did. Yeah. I think there are these interesting tools, some 24:54 called Image and Heap. She's like really talks about how it can actually be helpful AI and like she's kind of the first person I've heard to be kind of hopeful 25:02 about it from a creative perspective. Yeah, for me, I also just love, sorry, I love the 25:11 process of writing. I don't need, don't need it. Or just building with the team and coming up with something fire at the end of the day you guys can feel. What 25:19 if AI was going to do a podcast? Like do you think everyone would listen to that? I think people like stuff that's got soul in it, that's got experience. Like 25:27 I think you can recognize it. I think we'll be able to see through it. You got emotion. Something feels weird. It has emotion. Yeah. They want to feel the emotion. Yeah Yeah, I think 25:35 correct. I think AI is a great tool I do also think that has potential to ruin things like social media like podcasts like music Because if people aren't invested 25:43 which they won't be because it's not a human Mm-hmm, they it ceases to exist like I think social media in particular is going to have a really difficult 25:52 time with AI. Because if everything that you see and interact with is not human, why am I here? Like I even find that with myself today, like why am I going to tweet 26:00 anything? I'm going to be talking to bots. Yeah. I think you just get like a fatigue, like it's like the filter fatigue. It's like suddenly like the next generation, they don't want 26:08 filters. They want to see your pores and your skin that, you know, they want to feel the sweat. Right. Yeah. Like what if you had AI sports games? 26:17 Like how boring would that be? Trash, it's trash. That'd be so boring. And they do need to get like the AI rules together. Like I hear when the 26:25 AI song is using Bryson Tiller's voice or when it's using Ariana Grande's voice. And there's that whole thing about 26:34 the estates after you pass away. And they do need to figure that part out. But think about Motown, those 26:42 old days, they didn't have all the laws that protected the artists or the writers. Right? And then somebody did, some lawyers 26:51 were like, let's, it's kind of like boxing or UFC, like UFC, like there's not good insurance for people who get their face busted. Like, 26:59 so somebody's got to protect those people, even though someone's making money. But I guess in all those areas, they kind of work out how to make it 27:07 kind of make sense. Yeah, in real time. They'll cross that bridge, but by the time you cross that bridge, it's billions of dollars that have already been stolen from 27:16 your respective artists. And many artists, in any area, you're going to have to deal with artists willingly signing away their rights. 27:24 So many artists are just going to give away their AI rights for people to just do whatever the fuck they want to do. What 27:33 do you do about writers block? That's why I just make some dirty jokes. What? 27:42 And what's the longest you've ever had writers block? You know what, if I get blocked on a song, we usually stop what we're doing 27:50 and start writing a new song or and come back to it. We'll go and eat some food or go to a club, you know, go out and then come back. 27:59 Sometimes come back the next day and then the idea comes back. So you write daily? Yeah. If you listen to it the next day and you're like, I don't even, it's not 28:07 even worth it. Do you find that there's a difference between how your ears hear things in the evening versus the morning? I 28:16 mean, I find my ears, like if I go on a flight the next day, my ears are different from flying. No, 28:24 no flying. Like sometimes I would leave the studio in the night time and something would sound 1 way and by the time I woke up, it would sound a different 28:32 way. It doesn't sound different. Do you think it's because you've heard other things so your ears are like tuned differently? I don't know. I think it's 28:40 something with how your ears are tuned and how you hear at different points of the day. I don't know the science behind it. All I know is that's happened 28:48 to me too many times. I feel like it's like a toffee apple. Even when I'm listening to music, like I've seen a lot when we're reviewing music up here, it's like, I listened to this in the morning, 28:56 it was not hidden. The next day I was doing it, this shit was great. But have you had a toffee apple? Do you have that in America? A who know? It's an apple covered in toffee. Oh, 29:04 a caramel. Yeah, candy apple. And when you eat it, the apple tastes disgusting. Because the sweet stuff is so sweet. That's the worst 29:12 apples of everything. But it might be a good Apple. So I think music is like what you're listening to as well. For sure. Next 29:21 to it. Don't you? That makes sense. Yeah. To me, there's no life without music. It's the best thing ever. Yeah. It's so 29:29 amazing. Yeah. Did you find it hard, because you have 2 pretty big records, 1 record is a super smash. Did 29:37 you find it hard because after that point people probably try to uphold you to giving that level of product and then after that maybe not producing another 29:46 smash to that level Did you feel like there was a transition where? Well, it's funny, because these words was always the biggest song in America. These words, right. These words, 29:54 but then Unwritten has eclipsed it because it's a longer, it's a copyright, like it's just, it's a classic somehow, it's just like carried on and it's become something 30:02 for people. I think now that I'm writing new songs, it's funny every time I'm like, I'm going to release it and then another song goes viral, 30:10 an older song goes viral again. So it's like my little babies are like, hey, don't forget about me. I don't want you to have new ones. 30:18 So I think I'm fighting with my own stuff sometimes. That's why America's so depressed. Yeah, but we need happy stuff. I think it's also happy music, people 30:26 want it, but it's also hard because you don't want it to be cheesy. Yes. So it's a very delicate thing and yeah like 30:35 I think does that what people do is that what people want from me? Happy music? I think it is. I think we hear your 30:43 name and we attach it to a happy feel. Yeah like if I released a sad song you might be a little bit disappointed. I still 30:51 do want to hear what the dirty song sounds like. I have a whole alter ego. Do it. What's her 30:59 name? You have a name for the alter ego? I like my brain is not letting me remember it right now. Go 31:07 brain. It's like protected like lock and key, you know, you should put a whole album like that. But the album will be called Natasha's greatest tits. Yeah, 31:17 Some thought has been put into this. You're going to drop it too. You sure? It's funny, she named all the places 31:25 she lived and I had the same reaction as you, Flip, when I found out that she was in the New York area. But meeting her and just kicking it, it's very New 31:33 York. Yeah, you can say that. I love New York so much. What's your favorite New York place to go to? She can fit in. I love it. I lived in LA for 15 years. And 31:41 it's just, people have so much tolerance for realness here. Like, Let's talk about some, let's talk about you in hospital. Like it's so much more real and 31:49 I love it. And they're like, I've seen your thing and I'll raise you some mold in my house. Like let's commiserate, let's complain together. Let's go 31:57 to some spots out here. Look at you. Yeah, I know. Let's all give me a hug. Just go up into, hey! You feel me? 32:06 You should tell me I'm the 1 that's new. Yeah, I'm married, but I'm the new New Yorker though, because like, I don't know all the spots. So you're gonna have to show 32:14 me. Where would you recommend? I wouldn't say 1 here. I'll tell you after this. Okay, smart man. Smart man. Don't make the spot hot Yeah 32:26 Yeah, he would hate that yeah Keep things a secret. I like quiet places You seem like You seem 32:34 like you like quiet places, you like time to yourself. That's very important to you, right? You put that over everything. You talked about different situations, like 32:43 leaving the label once you found out that they were trying to control you, you talked about, you just seemed like that type of person. You seemed like you're just going to 32:52 a quiet place and just have time to yourself, no matter how long it takes. Yeah, and then I'm an extrovert and an introvert. It's probably like a 2, is it 33:00 called omnivert? Yeah, it seems like You didn't let the industry change you or motivate you to become something that you 33:08 never wanted to be. You seemed like you just stayed grounded. It's going to change you. I remember when I first started and people were like, don't change. I'll be like, don't worry, I won't, but It will change you. It 33:16 really changes you. For the better or would you say? I mean, you get bitter, you get like, I mean, bitter and better. Okay. Like, I mean, it changes 33:24 you. Like there's no way to not change. If anyone who doesn't change, you're getting old. Like you've got to keep changing. Adapting. Adapting, yeah. 33:32 Evolving. Yeah. Innovating. Yeah. All of it. Yeah. It's great. The more money you get, the losses you take, all of 33:40 that stuff will change you in some way, shape or form. If you add a new addition to your family, now your 1 kid might have grown up when you were coming up. 33:49 Now the other kid you already up. So that's, it's going to be some modifications in that just life is going to keep life. I think if you like your, your, what you 33:57 kind of your intention, like it changes a lot. Like if you're like, how do I become loved? How do I fill that gap and be loved and the most if 34:05 I go on stage like that It can make me very nervous But if I'm like, how do I connect with people? How do I make them feel moved? How do I make them feel something that changes everything for me? 34:14 And makes the whole experience so fun the same whether it's good or bad that yeah Feel something They could feel 34:22 disgusted. They could feel elated. Do you like performing at big venues or small venues better? The bigger the better. Yeah? Yeah, I 34:31 did something in Poland recently and I was like, now we're planning. It was just like, ah, you know, I feel like Bono or something. And then they were like, oh, that 34:39 was 200, 000 people. Oh, that feels great. But you don't see people so much either. Yeah, you become 34:47 disconnected for sure. And the stage is usually bigger, so you're like. The worst is just like just your grandparents or something. You're like, that's 34:55 the worst, and you can see people's faces. Did you pick up the nasty American eating habits? What's that? Well, no, 35:04 no, just saying because I think our food over here is just totally different comparison to where. She don't want to rest on wrong recommendation. I know your tricks. She's 35:12 good. She's good. Can I, can I? Get your shit off. Like holding food with your hands? Americans eat like shit. We eat like shit over there. Fast food, real beef. 35:21 Fast food, real beef. Very nasty. Glucose. What? Glucose. Glucose. Glucose. What? 35:30 Did you pick up any of that US habits in any way? You've been here a long time though. But you know the only 35:38 1 I have is being very LA, which is like having no gluten, no dairy. So French people would 35:46 just be like rolling in their graves if you don't have bread or you know being very fussy. Yeah. Okay so you picked up the good, you just have 35:54 it. Oh it could be, some people might think that's bad. LA is. Salad and wheat. I love that about LA. Weed and salad, that's their whole diet. 36:02 Yeah, no wheat. I said weed. Oh, weed and salad. It's weed and salad. It's all green. Yeah, that's it, that's all we got. Protein shakes. 36:10 Yeah. It's very smoothie. So your new music is coming when? I don't know yet, very soon though. But soon. Yeah. When you 36:18 say you don't know how to put it out, why don't you just put it out yourself? I can just put it out. Yeah, fuck it. I know, I feel like, just want to do it, find the right partners for it. 36:27 Gotcha. I like team, you know? For sure. Are you your toughest critic? Yes, yeah. Are you? No. 36:36 No. No? No, not even that. What? You're not? Not even. I didn't know you liked that. What do you mean? You love everything you do? I don't love everything 36:44 I do, but I just go out and do it. However you process what I do is on you, I just go out and do it. Because I don't want to live in regret. 36:53 Because my regretful stages are more harder than me than me actually doing it. I don't want to be in that bubble where I'm thinking like, damn, I should have did that. 37:02 So that's a good key, you're good at moving on. That should take days to process and get over that. I don't like that feeling. So once I realized 37:10 that, my thing was just do it whether you like it or not. Even if the feedback is not good, if I feel like I kinda agree, I might take it down, 37:18 I might start all over. There's always a process for me. That could be a good thing or a bad thing. You know what I'm saying? So much about turning up, showing up. 37:27 Yeah, that's important for me. Yeah, showing up and just leaving your imprint out here in society. That's what's important. That's what I like that. We're so chill. 37:35 Yeah, yeah. That's your vibe. Come on, you need to go on your show. You just bumped into her and bounced and started talking, right? Yeah, yeah, she's like a great coffee date, 37:43 or like Just somebody to bump into at the Trader Joe's or some shit. You're such a killer. Or New Zealand, right? Yeah, fuck, no doubt. 37:52 No, I'm going to New Zealand. Auckland. Fuck, you heard that, right, boy? I did. Question for you. Being at the 2 songs, I 38:00 don't want to keep saying 2 songs like the rest of your songs aren't those, but those 2 mega, mega, mega hits. Do you kind of find yourself chasing the 38:08 hit every album or is that like a bar that you feel like you have to meet on the next project? I 38:16 think that I write like a like my voice. Well, I've tried different styles, but my voice is a pop voice I 38:24 don't know what I'm gonna say. It's just it it I Like writing pop I like and pop to me means popular. 38:33 It means like everyone can sing it. So it's kind of like how I write, but like I have songs like Pocketful of Sunshine and 38:41 Love Like This, Sean Kingston. I have a lot of those kind of songs. So, I don't know. But you're not chasing a hit anymore. You're 38:49 just- I'm going to write more hits. You're just going to write what you write. No, I'm going to, I'm not chasing a hit, but every song has to be a good song. A good song is a good song, and it's not going to be released if it's not. So yeah. And when that's the baseline, it may be it. Yeah. When 39:06 the baseline is this has to be good. Yeah. Yeah. Natasha, I know you're saying that like, that, you know, people are in the labels with trying to control you, but what 39:15 else, I don't want to put the word negative, but what else, I guess negative things you dealt with in the industry that you can remember? What 39:24 have you dealt with when you was like, I don't want to be a part of this anymore? I think there's 39:32 so much. It's almost hard to there's so much positive and so much negative, so it's a hard 1 for me. That's a good question though. 39:41 I got you, I got you, I got you. What have you found that's negative? Do you find, I guess I would say, do you find that when 39:49 artists come on, have you had artists come in here much? Like do you find that they're a bit traumatized? Like they're a bit kind of, I guess the 1 thing I noticed with singers is they kind of have a barrier up 39:57 sometimes. Like they're kind of fronting, kind of be someone, and they're not necessarily connecting. I guess 40:05 I noticed that. We had a couple of artists come up here. Initially. They'll have a wall up initially. A wall, you see the wall come down. I can 40:13 understand why though, because in the industry and especially in today's time where everyone's just looking for something for a headline, clickbait, you want to 40:21 be very careful what you give. I do think that this platform allows people to come up here and be themselves. But for the most part, if you're in the industry, any 40:30 artist, rapper, singer, producer, you're going to assume that whenever you go sit down with someone, they're looking to get a headline out of you. Yes. So it's a little tricky. 40:38 And you guys must be like absolute like geniuses at getting those short sound bites. I think we're 40:49 okay. But I don't think we don't lean for that. We don't lean for that. You know what? From each other, yes. But from 40:57 when a visitor comes or another artist comes, we don't attempt to even try it. But with each other, we do it on a daily basis. That's true. 41:06 But artists are like sound, like really, a lot of artists are soundbite, like queens or kings. Like, I mean, like Lady Gaga is like the queen of the soundbite, like it's just 41:14 like, it's so, She's already decided what she wants to do. Yeah, I was about to say, they would have to almost come up here with that intent. It wouldn't 41:22 be our intent to get that out of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so many artists today, because of the power of social media and the 41:30 virality of shit, they're more cognizant of the sound bite. So a lot of people 41:38 come up here and kind of protect against it. Yeah, it be either way. Some of them, they are. Some lean in. Yeah, some of them they know, I'ma go up here 41:46 and get 1 off and it's gonna do what it do and the other ones I put the wall up But my goal I get a lot of fucking slam My goal is always to make the artist 41:54 feel as comfortable as I possibly can I don't know if that's the culture today No, no media? No, but yeah, I'm not 42:02 I was artists It never felt good, but they always kill me for not asking like harsh They'll get mad. True questions. We've had people 42:11 get mad. I'm not here for that. Yeah, that never felt good. People have been disappointed. As an artist, sometimes you don't want to get out of bed to come 42:19 do some shit. Sometimes you have to be convinced to go to certain platforms and I get here and you just, no, I'm not. We've seen that. We've had the opposite. 42:27 We've seen artists that they'll come in and tell us, you know, I got a flight. You know, the old flight. The flight line. I got a hard out because I got to catch a flight. I got a flight to catch. But 42:35 then, do you miss it? It's kind of like dating. Yes. I only have the babysitter for 2 hours, but the dates start going like, what 42:43 happened to you baby? Oh, no, no, we good, we good. Are they a meal, like just have a drink date, not a meal date, right? Yeah. Well, we can 42:51 manifest something. What is your ideal person that you want to come on here, that hasn't come on here? If you 43:00 had David Chappelle. Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder. I'd love Stevie Wonder. I want to look him in the eyes. I got to look at him. I would take Dave Chappelle. I would 43:08 take Dave Chappelle in a heartbeat. He's somebody I don't see do a whole lot of. That would be great. I could see that happening. Let's manifest that. I could 43:16 see that. I think Barack. Yeah Barack would be great. Is that what you said? Yeah. Which is funny because me and... Or Michelle Obama too. 43:25 I don't want to meet Barack. I would interview her. I could care less about me and Barack. Me, don't go naming people for me. 43:34 No, no, she asked the wrong. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, there's no president that I would want. I'm not, I'm not Mr. Political. I don't 43:42 kind of look at him like a president, that's why. I think he's bigger than the office. And I've heard his other interviews and he just seems so down to earth like he just kicking 43:50 it with the homies. See, I have the total opposite opinion. I think Barack, let's give it up, I think Barack is at the top of the food 43:58 chain of being trained to not tell you shit. Yeah. Which is why I wouldn't want to speak to him. That's true. I've heard him do 44:06 some pretty entertaining interviews. Yeah, like he did... But he's just entertaining and cool and smooth and great. When has he ever given you something 44:15 of... But most megastars aren't gonna do that anyway. A lot of megastars are already... That's why I don't like talking to megastars. 44:24 I don't... Give me something real. Give me something from you, from the spirit. It's just so presidential though, but it's just such a relief. Like 44:32 anytime he talks, it's like, thank you. You know? That's the thing. He has that. Yeah. I cried when he won now. Yeah, yeah. And 44:40 Stevie Wonder came on, so I did cry. Stevie Wonder is amazing. He's actually a wonderful person. Like his name fits him 44:48 because he's like delightful. Like a childish joy, like amazing. That would be cool. 44:56 Yeah, when you name drop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a pretty big name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She don't name it no mixtape. No, that's a good name drop. No, I mean that 45:05 was my most exciting 1. But Stevie Wonder told me not to name drop. Too 45:13 late. Sorry Stevie. No disrespect. Whenever you decide how you're going to release your new music, I'm 45:22 so glad that we met her. Yeah. This is dope. I'm telling you, it seems like you're just kicking it. Somebody walked up on you at the bar. This is dope. And bounced. And you just 45:30 start chopping it up, watching the game for 2 hours. Whatever. Do you get that? Can you go do normal people shit? Because you said like your songs are more famous maybe than 45:38 you are. Can you just go to the bar and it be cool or you got it? Yeah, I can kind of like do Marilyn Monroe where I can turn it on and off. You know, 45:46 I can kind of, I can just blend in. You can come in the room or not. Just look like an ordinary blonde girl. That's good. Yeah. But more 45:54 times than not, you would choose not to. Like, is it on or off? You know, I love when I meet 46:02 someone who doesn't know who I am because I kind of get to see the real them I really enjoy that. Yeah. Yeah. Do you yes. Yeah, 46:10 it's my favorite thing to do Yeah, people will ask me are you Joe button and I'll say no Yeah, I feel 46:18 like if you don't know, then. Like on an airplane. On an airplane. In Walmart recently. I turned Walmart up at 9 in the morning 46:26 in South Carolina. This might post you on TikTok. I saw her taping me. She took the picture and all that. I saw her taping me from far away behind 46:35 the paper towels. Gave her a picture. I gave her a picture. I gave her a picture. I'm not a big picture person. Well, in my career I wasn't a big picture person. In podcast 46:43 land, I'll take a picture. Yeah. Cause I'm introverted. Yeah. So it's like. You're like, I didn't put my makeup on. I ran some 46:51 pictures in New Orleans this week and I was like, I'm fucked up. I can't. But I had some sunglasses. The fans will catch you shit face. No, 46:59 that'd be no world. Joe, I have a question for you. Seeing as you had your experience with the industry as well 47:07 and seeing Natasha as well, can you understand that? Because you also an introvert. And how 47:18 did you not let your experience with the industry affect how you was moving forward? Oh, I didn't. It affected how I moved forward. Well, you're here now, that's what I'm saying. 47:26 Oh yeah, but I'm so jaded and not pure anymore. Oh my God. I mean, it's the truth. That's what you say a lot. 47:34 That's what fucked me up. As I say, you got the cracks to let the light through. 47:42 The cracks let the light through. So you might be even more, like What I notice is when I get broken in life, it's like sometimes I'm like, I can't do that. I feel 47:50 too broken. And then it ends up being the best show of my life. So it's like for some reason, the soul actually comes through in the harder things. Natasha, I 48:00 was reading something, and then you went through different stages in life. How 48:08 did you overcome the depression stage? Like how did you fight that? Oh, I'm not really a very depressed person. Okay. Yeah, I don't really. 48:16 I think that- Where'd you read that at? No, I think I was talking about childbirth. Oh, that's what it came from Yeah, yeah, I think I was like such a like that but like I'm that's the 48:24 first time only time I've actually experienced that or during while you were pregnant. Yes Yeah, but I I'm I am a pessimist 48:34 Realist which is funny because my music is very optimistic. Pocketful of sunshine? Yeah, my music, you have to go through that stuff and then 48:42 you get the gold, you know? Got it. Okay. But most of my songs start sad and I really write like 3 48:50 times more sad songs than happy ones. You know. That's interesting. Just based on life. You kind of like getting through them like just. 49:00 That has to be frustrating a little bit though, to be that type of artist, but to the public, to the general 49:08 public. And I like things like Rage Against the Machine. Like I love music that's like, ah, you know, like I'm a rock and roll. Do you feel like you're misrepresented as the true 49:16 artist that you want to be from what's been put out there? I think every artist has something that they speak from where it feels like it resonates, like a sweet spot. 49:24 And I think for some reason I have an unusual sweet spot that people can receive it. They 49:33 don't feel like throwing up when I say something positive. Which is like such a, it's an amazing gift, you know. 49:42 That's good. Yeah. That's your sound bite. There we go, got it. I think we got a bunch of sound bites. Thank you. This 49:50 1 we do. I think again, whenever the new music comes, our door is open. Thank you. You have friends in us. We would 49:58 love to see you again. Where do people find you? I, TikTok. 50:08 Yeah. It sounds like that's where you're most active and interested. TikTok, Instagram, yeah. TikTok. 50:16 Snapchat, I'm working on Snapchat. But let's take me to the best spot. I want to see. Yes, I got you. Yeah, we're 50:24 holding you to that, buddy. He's a good, he's a good, he's real good at that. He is. Like the great spots and stuff. He's a great host, he is. Great host, amazing. Are you still 50:32 making music? No. No. No, no, my soul was beaten bad or something. No, I'm retired 50:40 in 2016, 2016, No more. You felt really happy about it? I 50:49 did, actually. I did. It was tough, because music was the only thing I knew how to do. So I had to grapple with the decision 50:57 to retire. What is that going to look like for me? What am I doing next? Oh, shit, I don't know how to do anything else but music. 51:06 What are my fans gonna think? It was tough. It was tough. But once you do it, there's a power in it that I can't explain. But 51:16 if you would have asked 21 year old Joe, hey, do you ever see a life without music? I would have said no, like take me off the planet 51:24 if I'm not doing it. By the time I did it, I was like, you know what? Music did what it did for me, which was helped 51:32 me live. And I did that, so I almost owe it to music to go through something. So 51:41 yeah, it was empowering for me. It's amazing because also when we were coming up, radio was the king. And they were telling 51:49 all those radio DJs, they wanted to talk, but they're like, no, people don't like it when you talk. Just play the music, play the music. Stop talking, play the 51:57 music. And it's amazing how you've proven the podcast, this format, like people want to listen to you talk. Oh yeah. They want to hear what your opinion is 52:05 and... I tell the story all the time that the president of my record label, when I was on radio just talking in 52:14 2003, was like, No, you can't do both. You can't do music and talk. Pick 1. Why all 52:22 these rules? It's so weird, right? Because especially with hip hop and rap, it's so much about having an opinion. It's really like, 52:30 it's really brave as a genre. It's like really like saying it as it is. And sometimes like messages 52:39 are hidden in there that are really important messages that you couldn't even say. Yeah, yeah. No, it's true. I feel like so much of the stuff that 52:48 we fought against or like the musicians of that time fought against, like we passed the baton and the artists 52:56 today are able to do freely without those. I almost feel like you walk so the next generation can crawl. 53:05 Like I say all the time, I used to play a lot of unmixed music, like unmastered, unmixed, straight out the studio 53:14 publicly. And they hated that. And the labels would be like, what are you doing? Like they would be livid about 53:22 it. Today, oh, it's the hottest thing ever. It's the hottest thing ever. So I'm happy for the artist today. And I'm glad that I don't have to rack my brain with, 53:30 hey, how do I get this song to do something today? That would be a nightmare for me today. I think that's 53:38 the hardest thing is that you know you love it and then when you put it out, if you don't put it out in the right way, if people don't hear it that week, it can color 53:46 the way that people hear that song. That feels unfair. Because songs, like you said, they can change from the morning to the night, 53:55 or what's going on in the world at that time. Yeah, no, it's true. And then my songs weren't 54:04 sometimes the happiest song pockets full of sunshine So then what? So way after the recording of the song and the success or non-success 54:12 of the song when it was time to tour and I no longer felt that way Anymore. Yeah, it's like that's so long and the fans love that song 54:20 Listen, my girl cries. I just came back from a family trip down south and everywhere I went, somebody stopped to say, Hey man, you saved my life. Hey man, you saved my 54:28 life. They do that in front of my dad. They do. So my family got to see it. And they're like, oh my God, you've touched so many people. 54:37 And I'm like, awesome. But when they say that to me, you saved my life, you saved my life, I say you saved mine too. Wow, 54:46 that's amazing. I love that. Yeah. It's a tribe of us. Okay, don't try to make me cry here. It's awesome. Does anybody have any 54:55 last questions and last words? She's awesome. She's great. She's absolutely awesome. Thanks for having me. You're 55:03 amazing, each 1 of you. Thank you. Put the music out. Don't worry about it. Yeah, put the music out. I could just say that I feel like with 55:12 all the ups and downs and with like young people rediscovering my songs or this or that. I feel like, I feel 55:20 like the black community have known about Unwritten, for example, for a long, long time and have kept it going all through even the times where it wasn't up. 55:29 I don't know how to get that message out of just how loved, how special I feel to be welcomed and 55:37 especially even in this room. Thank you. Thank you so much. You're welcome. She's fucking awesome. She is. And it's coming from a place of deep respect. So Thank you. 55:46 Thank you. Nah, thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, oh, gentlemen. Ladies out there. Ladies out there watching. Ladies 55:54 out there watching and gentlemen, make some noise, Natasha Bittingfield. Thank you. Woo! Woo! Thank you so much. We'll 56:03 be right back. Don't touch that down. Why'd you do this? Natasha Bittingfield was 56:11 absolutely amazing. She was great. It was great for her to come by. It really reminds me that when I'm here with most 56:19 of the room not with my tribe Is a musician 56:28 tribe with a lingo and a shared experience When I'm here with most of y'all, it's just like 56:37 regular friends. It's just like showing civilians. As your friend can ask you something. What's up? Next time we're 56:45 having a guest and that guest happens to maybe be white, Like let me know so maybe I don't wear my still I still from white people shirt 56:55 That was crazy That's funny though. That's pretty funny. Thank gosh. You got sense of humor. Yeah That's what Made the guest feel very 57:03 awkward. Well, well, you bring up a point. So, yes, I can do that. But a conversation at 57:11 some point should be had about workplace attire and what we should and shouldn't wear period just like work things 57:20 to wear that are workplace appropriate right like at some point we'll get it is the shirt not workplace 57:28 shirt not workplace appropriate appropriate I'm uncomfortable. Clutching my wall and everything. I'll hook in the door. Oh 57:37 my God. She was great. She was dope. She can hang out. This year's 57:45 been pretty good with the guests. I would say. This year's been really good. I've enjoyed every single person that's came up here. In 57:53 the past you didn't? I think in the past if some people felt forced, some people was just true, but this year just feels like just natural 58:01 flow. It hurts that we gotta slow down with the guests we probably won't be having as many guests in the future. Oh, that's peace. That's cool. Why not? What 58:13 happened? I don't like that. I don't like him. He's a man. He's going to try and guest 58:21 interview his way to the change. I'm getting a little sick of it. I see the new trend happening. 58:30 It's fire, so I ain't going to hate and step on it. They're trying to milk the system. Yeah, enough of him. Wait, what are you saying? So Natasha, 58:40 your son went through. Oh. If you care to share. We got to research. You got to research it. Well we need to know they coming to research. 58:48 Your son had an experience. That's all I keep saying. It's not true. So glad you asked it. How the fuck I'm pulling the research out of him? Brain search. Hey, I could've... That 58:57 was a good 1. Dude, this nigga pulled out the... Right. That's true. Nah. And then he responds. That 59:05 shit works. That's what I'm saying. He's trying to take the game to like a new level. But I'm respected. I'm respected. Yeah, that's respected. But 59:13 whatever. Knock it off, you know, whatever to make the cars and then later on and now I got to deal with fucking flip money. Listen, 59:25 how have you bought depression, depression, never been. Actually hate. When 59:35 you read that flip. It said that but she cleaned it up. It was parental. Parental depression. They spelled her name wrong. 59:43 Yo. No, it's in there. It's in there, yeah. I ain't know she was I ain't like that. I Had no idea 59:51 this lady looked I just know the song. No, you know If I I didn't know so much that 1:00:00 with her publish this walk, man with her publicist walk in. You thought it was her? I was like, holy shit. Oh shit, all right. Yo, yo. I was 1:00:08 like, all right, fat. All right, we gonna do this. I didn't do it. That's fucked up. Holy shit. That's funny. But I've also 1:00:17 mastered the art of talking to people that I have no idea. No idea. Figuring it out through the conversation. 1:00:26 But she was, she was fly. She was dope as hell. But Ian told me, Ian told me, yo this girl is like you. Yeah she's cool as shit. She's 1:00:34 cool. She could hang out with her. For sure. Yeah. For sure. She fits in New York and here and everywhere. I promise you, before 1:00:42 y'all said it and she said it, Yeah, I worked with her a long time ago too. I wasn't looking at no ass. Oh no, niggas saw that. By the time, I 1:00:50 didn't see nothing. By the time y'all said it, the thigh was in the, it was like, oh, all right. I peeped it on the walk in. Yeah, niggas saw it on the walk in. Anyway, ass. 1:00:59 Salute to her. Shout out to her, man. Yeah, salute. Shout out to her, she's awesome. That was really dope. She can come up here anytime. I got a beef with you man. 1:01:08 He be trying to buy, yeah I know you do. I'm telling you yo. He read that shit and he's trying to buy that shit. He's not low yo. Hold up, hold up. You got it. 1:01:16 I didn't tell him neither. So the first thing he said today is, and again, because the audience be getting to me, oh, it'd be nice if Joe could tell him about that, but that's not gonna 1:01:24 dick. She was only supposed to come and sing the song with us, but she was so fly. Yeah, that she kicked, okay. That I was like, nah, we 1:01:33 gotta just chill. So there was never supposed to be an interview. Got it. Yeah, but when I saw Armani he was like Damn, 1:01:41 man, you could at least told us that Natasha Bedingfield was coming So I'm expecting him to be as unprepared as everybody. This nigga pulled their brains 1:01:49 out. I gotta fuck you. It's a brain search. He pulled it out quick too. This nigga's crazy. We're gonna talk about it. I read that part. He's fine though, he's fine. Can I get back? Wait, what's your 1:01:57 beef? Oh, so I went to the Boys For Life tour this past weekend, right? Would you consider yourself a Boys For 1:02:05 Life? I guess so. That's the B2K battle. Yes, and I did not think I was going to enjoy it as much as I did. I really had a really good time. I 1:02:14 liked all the sets. And I'm listening to you talk to her about, you know, just removing yourself from music and all that. Cool, 1:02:22 I get it. But there are certain moments where you can still touch the stage and just celebrate some of that old success. So when B2K did their set and everyone has their solos, 1:02:31 Jaybug does perform to pump it up, right? And I'm looking, I'm looking at Prudential, I'm looking at how packed the crowd is, and I'm like, 1:02:39 I'm like, yo, Joe, at some point, there's nothing wrong with stepping on that stage and enjoying that moment. Like, I was mad that- 1:02:47 Even if you don't rap it, even if you don't rap it. I was mad that at some point in your own city that you have not taken an opportunity. I mean, he claimed Jersey. That's 1:02:57 the problem though. If there was maybe an arena in Jersey City, he might feel a little bit more comfortable. We got the armory. We got 1:03:05 the no sleep. But yeah, but any moment I was like, damn, this would have been a fly moment for Joe to just come out and just get your flowers off of that record. 1:03:14 He's too cool now, bro. I don't like that, though. He's too rich now. I don't like that. That's a go ahead and end a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I don't like it I don't like y'all doing that. I don't 1:03:22 know if that's I don't think that's true. He turned out mad at him She's you they asked me to do it And I'm saying I don't think you should do it every time someone asks I get 1:03:31 that But I do think for what that record represents, especially with that film. Them asking me to do it is different because of the film. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. I thought 1:03:39 that would have been fly. What they did for the record and what the record did for the film. Yeah. Both ways. So you're right. It would have been fly. But why you got to be for me? I agree. It would have been 1:03:47 fly. Because I think you can still enjoy those moments even though you're not in the music business the way you were before I think you can 1:03:55 find a way to enjoy your your moment and Still be on stage to some degree. I agree with you. So why are you beefing with me? Because you ain't 1:04:03 doing it. That's the beef. You didn't do it. Well, I wasn't available. That wouldn't have changed. You weren't available. You're right. But I wasn't available. I 1:04:12 was down south. I wasn't even here. Okay. Okay. All right. You could have been at home with nothing to do and you still wouldn't have did it. I don't know. 1:04:21 We know Joe. 80%, I lean that way, but I don't know. Listen, when some other people have asked me, I really considered it sometimes. 1:04:30 So I'm not against it is all I'm saying. I know you consider it. I definitely considered it, especially here. If it's going to be the Barclays or the garden or Hulu 1:04:38 theater or just anywhere over here with somebody that I get it. Yeah. Well, I know I know Nikki asked you who else asked you 1:04:46 if you don't feel my share. I mean, I'm not I'm not going to say a lot of people. I didn't know that more so people ask for versus More 1:04:54 so people ask for a pop out verse. But I'm not telling them that, yo dog, 20 people in the last 6 months have asked me for. So it's not really 1:05:03 a pop out. If you do 1 verse. It's just that crowd. It's just that crowd and what that crowd represented and the energy that was 1:05:11 built in the room. I saw the footage, it was fire. Fire, fire. It's absolute, absolute fire. Bow out. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that I'm against it 1:05:19 in another world. Maybe I do it. How was the rest of the show? Really good. Really, I have no complaints at all. Who spoke? I'll be 1:05:27 honest with you, all of them. All of them had a really good set. It wasn't too long. You didn't have to wait too long for the next person to come out. It flowed very easy. A 1:05:35 Marie, B5, Young Jock, The Franchise Boys, Crime Mob, Pretty 1:05:44 Ricky. It sounds like a fire show. It was fire. Bow Wow had to me the best set as far as energy wise and back to back hits. 1:05:52 I can see that. Bow Wow was a dope performer. Yeah, he is. I never got a chance to see him perform. Dope performer. Pretty Ricky had a great set. Pleasure 1:06:00 P sounded great. B2K had a great set. I roasted the Razz B shit with him doing the Michael Jackson shit. I 1:06:09 didn't like that but outside of that it was fire. Anything Michael is off the table for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he still was good but you know me. I'm just going to hate on some Mike shit. 1:06:17 But yo, it was a great, great show. I know people talk about, oh, these older groups is trying to relive the moment. No, Niggas was in that crowd loving every moment 1:06:25 of that shit. And these older groups got fans that's right there with them that been with them from their run. It ain't reliving shit. They also have slaps. Slaps are always going to work, 1:06:33 bro. And you know what I liked? I got there at about, show started at 7. I got there like 7 15, right? So 1:06:41 when I'm walking there, there's really nobody outside. So I'm like, damn, this shit might be dead. I got in there, everyone there was super early to see the very start 1:06:49 of the show It wasn't like people saying I'm gonna just walk in to get to the middle of the shit niggas was there from the start of it Gone crazy to the very end you want to 1:06:57 make if you go into that show You kind of want to see everybody that's it's all in that same time frame. Right. Yeah. You don't want to miss it up there. Amyree look 1:07:06 great. And I ain't going home. And she does. Yeah. She look great. Shall I say Amyree? What do you want to say? Say it. Nothing important. 1:07:14 Just say it anyways. And the women that were out when those songs were out are 1:07:22 now our age, singing those songs outside, putting that shit on. I enjoyed seeing 1:07:31 them my age singing the B2K, singing Pretty Ricky. Pretty Ricky set is when 1:07:39 they go crazy. Specifically I pay attention to the audience. Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. Because B2K, y'all could be 106 1:07:47 and Park fans, and them my niggas, they got the slaps. Bow Wow, he got hits. Pretty Ricky 1:07:56 hits are different hits. Yeah, they are. Number 1 was fucking. You have to look at the audience during the Pretty Ricky. You do. They was 1:08:04 fucking. It was the same way on Millennial Tour. Yeah. It was gonna be other niggas to come out with bigger records. Not gonna have the same effect. Different hits. 1:08:12 I think I said that same thing about fucking the Ging Ging Twins at the Millennial Tour. Y'all niggas can come out with y'all songs your hits 1:08:20 been radio diamond Oh, we're waiting yin-yang twins come out. Where do you see my dick comes on? There will be a clear separation And 1:08:29 how do you songs they hit? Yeah, but it was really, it was really good. All of them. All of them. All of them. All of them. 1:08:37 All of them. That's that shit. Oh my God. Yes. 1:08:46 When Diamond from- Them niggas turned C-World up. Diamond from Crime Mob did her verse. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That whole motherfucking- It was crazy, right? 1:08:55 What? Oh my god. It just felt, I'm not gonna lie, it felt good. It felt like good energy. Everybody that was really there to enjoy themselves and they really appreciated it. Even those are Diamond, not Diamond. Princess? Yeah, we knocking them buckets. 1:09:04 Princess. Yeah, it's Princess. No. Whichever 1 it is, Princess, Diamond, both. Is it Princess first? Whoever. I forget. Every time they rap. That first though. 1:09:12 They went crazy. They went fucking crazy. So it was dope, man. Solution of a great tour. I'm gonna get the cannon, I'm gonna get acting the fool. I think this haters gonna get comfortable with this. 1:09:21 Who'd you go to show it? Me and my homegirl, me and Felicia. Oh, okay, don't, don't, don't. Yeah. Did anybody recognize you? Yeah. 1:09:30 Nice salute. Yeah, that was cool. Wait, why you do that face? Of course the niggas recognize him. Yeah, it's nigga Imani. What's wrong with you? You know what's funny? I like no- 1:09:38 He had the AEO he had on. But when I do- I had it on. He had a shirt on. I'm Imani, yo. It's me, Imani, yo. Nigga put 1:09:51 a picture of himself on the JBB hood. Now I like, that just lets me know the commitment to certain people recognizing 1:10:00 or even coming up to me saying, yo, that take on whatever, because they're paying. Most of the people who are going to recognize me are going to be from Patreon. So I like knowing 1:10:08 those people are. Those are people that are paying for this shit. So I like that. You got the chain, bro. That's a good point. You got the chain. Nah, nah. You 1:10:16 got the chain. Know what niggas do? Know what niggas do? Hey yo, yo, yo, I'm a Patroni. You know what I'm like. Hey, my money nigga. He always win. Oh, okay. 1:10:24 He always win. They do. You trying to endorse him? It's the fifth you try to endorse him. I have that. It's crazy. Oh my God. You trying to beat y'all to it. They could be begging. 1:10:33 Who? Huh? Who begging? It don't matter. You know what's so funny, isn't it? It's Joe and Mark that do the most begging. Yes. Exactly. What? It's Joe and 1:10:41 Mark. Mark more than Joe though. No, Joe and Mark. No, no, Mark does it more than Joe, but. I'm open to that theory. Them niggas be dope with the fans. Oh, hey! I'm 1:10:50 on fire today. Yeah, come on. You hear me? You hear me? No, I'm hot too. We just show up to work, baby. What? Oh, that was my joke with mark. We just want to work Lord. All right, let's 1:10:59 work So who does have the most robberies? Hold on, before that, Michael Jackson's joint coming out, right? Yes. Are 1:11:07 you excited? When's it coming out? 22nd for me, 24 for other people. Oh, you got an early joint. Are you dressing up? He's 1:11:15 in with the Jacksons. I don't know. What happened? Hey, E, I'm with you. Fuck the movie. What's up? I said, what's up, bro? That might be the corniest shit I ever heard. Yo, that 1:11:28 nigga said, yo, what date does the movie come out? You know, for the 22nd. The 22nd. For the Meant to Mortals. The 24th. For the niggas. For Meant to 22nd. For the rest 1:11:36 of you bums. He said, rest of you niggas, yeah. How do you get early access? A lot of people got early access you just have to go ahead and apply for the 1:11:44 early access and you got noticed. You got a notice. Wait, slow down. It's different when they give it to you. Slow down. It's different when you apply. This thing is so stupid. Yo, 1:11:52 all right, in a minute, he gonna get the chain. If he keep doing it. Wait. You applied. You go ahead. It's like a raffle. 1:12:01 You go on to IMAX. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You wait. I thought you had to go on mike.gov.org. You 1:12:10 just went on regular. Okay, apply was the wrong word. You have to go ahead and sign up for early notice. 1:12:18 Wait, this is getting worse. You signed up. Yeah. To get notified when the early pre-sale tickets go up. 1:12:27 They made it a day where certain people that caught that notification, you get early access to the theater. It's like when the Jordans go live or something. 1:12:36 Are y'all surprised as much as I took my mic up there? No, no. I know that's your bag. Yeah I'm fucking there. Are you dressing up? No, no. Why? 1:12:44 No, I'm not that big of a fan. Yeah, he really not. He's not committed. I'm going there to literally watch the movie and not be bothered by the movie. How long is the movie? 1:12:53 I think it's 2 hours, 2 hours and 15, a little bit, 2 hours and 15 minutes, I think. Yeah, he's not committed to the gig. Not at all. Not at all. Look 1:13:21 at them niggas dancing too! Oh man. Oh You 1:13:30 know some funny he's laughing but he would do all this for Prince. Oh 1:13:46 my god. That's that cute little ass nigga? Yeah. Oh my god. I would not do it for Prince. 1:13:54 Yes you would. You would do the early pre-sale tickets for Prince. If there was a Prince film, Prince biopic, you would 100% 1:14:02 do that Joe. Stop. He said he wouldn't sign up. He probably would go over his... No, no. If there was a notification saying sign up here for early so much 1:14:10 up here where somebody will be telling you the truth about themselves no we think you're lying that's the point but there's a lot of lying that goes on up here too yeah Joe 1:14:18 what the fuck I'm not saying you're lying in this case. We probably are, but like, thank you, we all lie. You get nothing that is 1:14:26 like a why even waste your lie on this life? We've podcast. We've wasted our lives on less. Let me ask you something And 1:14:35 let me preface this with I'm gonna start keeping track of lives right now. Thank you Do you think Prince has never thrown like a raffle? 1:14:44 He's never had a giveaway Like you don't think there was ever a contest to go to what's the name of this fucking house? I got a brain freeze. Paisley 1:14:53 Park. Yeah Paisley Park. You don't think it's odd that I've never been to Paisley Park? Okay well I'll ask the same in response. You think Michael has 1:15:01 never done anything that I never went to a concert, I never went to a pop-up show, I never went and did any of that? You ever went to Neverland? 1:15:11 No. So I'm just saying, I've never went, the only thing I've ever went to was the memorial in Indiana and that's when we had a show out there. Play that record. Why 1:15:19 didn't you go to Neverland? Play that record. Why would I go to Neverland? Because it's like the people go to the- It's like Graceland. Graceland, that's what I was trying to find. 1:15:27 Why- and you be a bitch ass nigga too. Why'd you be looking for any moment to jump into the joke he making? That's what I said about him. I'm not hitting it 1:15:35 because you my man and I'm not saying that. Play that fucking record, this burn ass nigga. Play it nigga. I would just think it's... I got a question cause I 1:15:43 really need to know, do you ever get tired of being a bitch ass nigga? Oh go ask me. Shit's fire nigga. I don't 1:15:51 think it'll be. I love you but chill nigga, fuck you nigga. I think all of us have somebody that we would I've been embarrassed and shit 1:15:59 when it came to print So, I mean I identify with that part, but I don't think you sign up and going on IMAX.com I couldn't see myself. You do it for hope. 1:16:08 No fuck I would not Y'all 1:16:17 was arguing about that right? I was thinking about who has the most robbers. Who has the most robbers. Look at this shit. Niggas argue over this. No, why are we arguing 1:16:25 about this? Because Flip said he had the most B&E's over you. No, that's not how that feels in the heart. Sorry. I 1:16:34 don't steal nothing. I steal y'all bitches' minds. That nigga eat smooth as fuck. Yo, 1:16:42 Parks, how you deal with it? You know what I like about you? You are really his friend. Me, I'm not. Because when he do bullshit, you just look. 1:16:51 That's what I meant. And you hold a lot of shit in. That's what I love about you. You respected. We've been through a lot. We're centering. No, I'm not centering. 1:16:59 So let's open this up. You're doing that shit with the fans. You dog-whistling to them niggas again. And I told them, I'm coming for you. They don't give a fuck. We all do 1:17:07 bullshit. 1 week is you, next week is somebody else, nigga. We all do bullshit. Stop dog-whistling to them niggas, nigga. Stand on bullshit like we on. What do you mean? Explain. You 1:17:15 know what they say and they said, and we gonna send to you, niggas, we want to. I'ma send to you because I want to, nigga. You know why? You are at the center. You know why? Yeah, because I had nothing to contribute. Yeah all that good shit 1:17:23 I think I want to send you I think I got no contribute. I'm trying to live through you I'm hating on you all that That's 1:17:35 his insecurity yeah, I'm insecure cuz he let me let He let them affect how you think. That's all that is facts. I'm gonna send to you, nigga. Well don't do 1:17:43 it. Oh you're correct. You got me. Redhead. But why do that? We don't have to get to that. But I just, okay, we don't have to get to that. But why? No, no, we 1:17:51 have to. You brought it up. Because I'm a bitch ass nigga. No, he right. I got more B&E's 1:17:59 in this nigga right here. Then who? Him. Come on, man, he not the B&E King. Yo. He the B&E King. Well why you wanna be the B&E King over here? I don't wanna be the B&E King, but 1:18:08 he don't- It sound like you wanna have the most, like you brought this up. Nah, cause I was saying- This ain't even something I would brag on if I felt like it. B&Es was here, B&Es was here. Cause Ish told 1:18:16 me, Ish whispered to me, like, yo got more beanies than that nigga. He whispered that. Because you definitely don't have more beanies than me. That's just a fact. What do you base that off of? Listen to me, 1:18:24 this nigga's lying and ratting that thing. I'm a lying rat? Lying and ratting. No, I'm just saying, I don't 1:18:32 think, nah, I was getting to it, man. Like you were just probably just running this shit, and that was in your pre-T-Mobile days. Yeah. What year, what 1:18:41 year was you was B&E'ing? He can't fit no windows. You know how bright you gotta be to do a B&E'ing? Oh shit. How bright, how bright, I got him, how bright. I'm 1:18:49 doing that. They got French fries on the table. Oh, see? See? Hold on. Let's go. You did B&E and projects. 1:18:57 You, nigga. Never did. No, I did not. Running into 18 houses in a building don't mean nothing. Suburbs. Houses in the suburbs. What's the signs you look for 1:19:05 nigga? Tell me what houses you know to go to. That shit was like calculus. That shit was almost too complicated so you had to stop. 1:19:14 What if people are home? What if there's a family? What if they awake? Dog? What if there's a pet? What if it's an AR-15? 1:19:23 What if they fight back? Flip you the camera heights and all that? That's what you do with demons? I look for certain 1:19:32 things. Valley stream. What you look for? Depending on the flag that's outside. The flag, the type of decorations 1:19:40 they got. Some of the houses you knew definitely they were golden there based off of which country they came from. A lot 1:19:48 of the people that came from the countries, they always represent their countries outside their home. They have a flag. 9 times out of 10, you going in there, all 1:19:57 the time niggas got a gold Buddha. Oh, see, we very different niggas. I was robbing white people. Like us. You 1:20:06 was stealing from niggas with the Caribbean flag the susu money Joe 1:20:16 sound nuts You know how much gold is in there, boy? And a lot of foreign niggas don't fuck with banks. That's what I was saying. You can tell y'all niggas ain't do nothing, yo. You heard me. YG 1:20:24 got in trouble for that shit on his album. Yeah. Find a sh-t in the neighborhood because they don't believe in bank accounts. What you talking about 1:20:32 robbing houses? You a boy died if you had to. This shit is real. It's real. Now, the Chinese people you robbed, there's 1000 of them niggas in there. 1:20:40 You're going to get your ass whooped. Oh, 5 of them left. That's like 10 more. Oh, 0 shit! Yo! 1:20:50 Yeah, they don't believe in calling the police? They will lock that door up! Heya! Yo! Yo! 1:20:59 Yo! Yo! I had to come out the window and they'd fuck you up. They'd fuck you up. First floor window 1:21:07 too, nigga. Oh shit. I called my man Lou, I called my man Lou, I was like, what? They're like, damn, 5 of them left. How we good? Nope, 1:21:15 5 more of them niggas in there. The niggas kick you like Chris Tucker. What you want to be on? Nah, they don't really kick you. 1:21:24 It's not about karate. They use, like, sticks and shit. Why they want to beat you like that so much? They could beat you in bamboo shoes. And 1:21:32 you don't know. And they can't say... They're not saying, get out, Nipah. They just... They hit 1:21:40 you a point to the door. They're like, I'm trying to leave. You are bare boot shoes They're not saying get out You don't wanna leave? 1:21:48 Give it! Go! You go now! I'm trying! You have to unlock the door! I 1:21:57 can't get out! Yo, this... He at the top trying to unlock the shit. Yeah, 1:22:08 yeah, I get it, stupid. Yo, something wrong with you. Hey, you remember at 1 point where the Chinese told you to put on the bulletproof glass and the 1:22:16 niggas was booking them shits all the time. They started to fight back at 1 point. I used to feel bad when niggas used to go out and call the delivery dude and he used to jump 1:22:24 that nigga for the food. Yeah, that was whack. Yeah, that was whack. I agree with you. Niggas was whack for that. That was whack for that. I don't know about him with the jail for that for actually doing that shit. But, when 1:22:33 they meet you, it's funny, man. Go ahead, what you got? Hehehehehe. What you gotta add? Absolutely nothing. 1:22:41 What I'm talking about, Joe? I'm just listening. I'm just gonna beat you with a hot pot. Alright. Hehehehehe. Ah! Ah! Ah! It 1:22:49 burned! Go! Open the door! The latch! They want you to escape to the fucking hole! I can't get out! 1 time I went back 1:22:58 there for a skit. I went back there for a skit and they locked me back there, Pops. I can't leave. J-Hawk, 1:23:06 tell them niggas, J-Hawk. Today, today, today, under 1:23:14 the lens of today, they make some of these crimes be have racial undertones yeah but when 1:23:22 they were being committed nigga how much it targeted the Chinese It 1:23:30 was who has the money to gas station niggas. It wasn't but so many choices. 1:23:40 Oh my God, yo. Oh, that shit's funny, son. Thank God we've matured. Indeed. So we never got to the bottom of who had the most robberies, 1:23:48 but I think that's good. Yeah, we should we should think that's good. Yeah You got him He's a just go to some robbing 1:23:56 the gas station attendant Are you robbing all of them? He got money on him? They were 1:24:05 all fucking gas stations. It was only 1 nigga there. That's why they came together and jumped you that time, nigga. Word. Oh, look. They all was in 1:24:13 with their ass. You were a fucking ass. Bitch. Bitch. See, it's your nigga. 1:24:21 You bloody bitch. Oh, man. Y'all know this is what Joe talk about. We're pretty good up until there. We're pretty good up until there. Y'all know this is what Joe talk about that story. He don't 1:24:29 get the full details. That shit. That bitch beat that nigga with a book. Let's see, 125. It's racist. 1:24:38 Pause. They beat him with a bat. He in my slippers. Oh, man. She'll never get the details about it. Yo, he said 1:24:46 I just went over there and blood dog, I would have moved. I would have left New Jersey. I think it's stand up, after you jump you stand around. I 1:24:55 think it's stand up, you stand right there. I ain't going nowhere. 1 time we were in these white people house, and there was a dad was in there, 1:25:04 Told white Mikey, hey go tie this nigga up in the chair. He tied the nigga up. True, true. We go rummaging through the house. That nigga was gone. 1:25:13 Oh my God. So now, Heist found him. Thank God. They get the token. Butte through Heist big as hell. Like yeah, We 1:25:21 got the fuck out of there. That's crazy. Hell yeah. Bro, that's why I ain't never do that. But you look at things differently, right? 1:25:30 You saying that you never stole from people, but you didn't mind stealing from establishments. Yeah, cause I think he got the most robberies. Yeah, and I had an argument with a lady about that. I told 1:25:38 her. Yeah, yeah, you better cough. That's all he said. Yeah, you better sneeze, boy. I told a lady that crime is crime, and she was like. Nah, a little shoplift today, so bad. No, no, no, but this is what I told her. 1:25:46 I said, crime is crime. And she's like, no, I ride from the government because they have insurance, but it's still a criminal. Hey, that's not the government also. You my pick, boy. 1:25:55 You don't think so? Hey, that friendship vibe is over. You're still from a story. You're back to old times. Yeah, you're wrong. You still a criminal, bitch. In 1:26:03 the eyes of... The law. The same white people that steal in every fucking day they get the opportunity to do this. Tell it to the judge, Ishmael. And 1:26:12 it's... Listen to this. I remember my grandma say that. Tell it to the Marines. If you take something from a store or from an establishment, it's different 1:26:20 than if you take something from somebody. If you go in somebody's crib, that could be somebody's college tuition money. That could be money for somebody's operation. 1:26:29 That could be money saved up for a specific purpose, and now that no longer happens. If I go and motherfuckin' Neiman Marcus and crack they head, who the fuck suffers 1:26:37 because Neiman Marcus already got insurance based on that thievery? However, whatever else you sleep at night. State of New Jersey versus you. 1:26:45 You still taking money out to shareholders, the shareholders, kids. No you don't. Again, they are- You have to explain your theory. 1:26:53 You're not taking money from shareholders. You're not taking nothing from a shareholder because stores like that, they already have insurance that covers all of their losses. Whether they meet the threshold 1:27:01 or not they still gonna pay the same exact dollar amount in insurance so you're not taking nothing from no fucking shareholders money good you do you think you're taking something from your 1:27:09 character that you can't replace you can't wish no I don't care how you justify you going out you can't let me 1:27:17 talk and clunk side his hand we at 3 in the morning to make a decent little family you need to be ashamed of yourself ish 1:27:26 I was 01:28 is free and 15 and 16 and 16 and 7 and 1:27:34 17 88I was away when I was 17. Came back, got right back to it. By 18 I was doing different things. You 1:27:43 were an adult going into Home Depot. Not Home Depot. With. Not sure if it was more. With 30 1:27:51 Home Depot cards. He think I don't know his little Home Depot card trick. Oh, yo. But that's where he was, boy he was lit. Oh, I was tearing his 1:27:59 ass up. What's your point? Yo, y'all is crazy. Yeah, I think he's got the most robberies. I didn't do that. He think he different because it's corporate robberies. Let me ask you a question. If 1:28:09 a TV falls off the truck, you stole it? Wait, how did I get on it? I'm asking, not you, I'm saying anybody. 1:28:17 If a TV falls off of a truck and someone takes it, you're saying. Every year we get people in our camp that send around the 1:28:25 Louis Vuitton, the motherfucking YSL, the Dior shit, every TV's, boots, whatever the case may be. You make us 1:28:33 sell like pieces of shit. No, bro, you connected. Nigga, the streets is going top. Yo, dawg, so you look at that as committing a crime? Yes. 1:28:43 Yeah. Technically. Yeah. In a technical sense, it is. Yes, because we're receiving stolen property. Can we just all agree that all of this shit that we're talking about is a crime? All of it. Some 1:28:51 of us gave up the life of crime. Crime is a construct. Some of us. Oh, yeah, my nigga. Some of us. Yeah, see, we're cooking now. What? 1:29:00 Crime is a construct. Yeah, Certain crimes are a construct. Still a crime. In the eyes of the white man. Yeah. Are 1:29:08 you still doing it? Uh-oh. I think I'm picking up what he put down. I'm not. Are you still moving? If 1:29:16 something fell off the truck, you think I wouldn't catch it? You know what your fucking mind. Y'all all sitting here frontin'. Y'all all who? Oh, pardon. Oh, I know. I know, I know. 1:29:25 Crazy stands. Yo dog, everybody in here, if this right shit fell off the truck at the right price, they would definitely, and who? 1:29:33 No, you're right. I just know that once I do it I am a part of a crop. I don't know how you got it. I don't know how you got it. He keeps trying to feel safe in his 1:29:41 if you happen to be around when something fell off of a truck which is different from scouting the trucks, scouting the drivers of the 1:29:49 trucks, staying in touch with the truck circuit, having a network of people that operate in the trucking business, getting the 1:29:58 call when it, but that's very different. Unlike you, Mr. Biden. You are organized crime, nigga. You are. Unlike you. Regardless. 1:30:06 I'm petty street theft. No you're not. You are blue collar. You going to MDC, nigga. 1:30:15 We ain't even gonna be in the South, we'll be in the county. No you not. You gonna be away. You gonna be right with me. Alcatraz, nigga. Yo, yo, yo. 1:30:23 Let's go, open it back to me. You gonna be in a 23-in-1, boy. You hear him lying, right? I'm telling you. Yo, let me ask you a question. I'm gonna be able to go outside. You 1:30:31 know what Grand Theft is? Yeah. What? Well, they changed it now, but it used to be... Go 1:30:40 ahead, nigga. Slow down. It used to be $1, 000. Grand Theft over $1, 000. Slow down, okay. Okay, so every TV, Every 1:30:48 whatever that has fallen off the truck that you have been a recipient of is Grand Theft Yeah, why he keep making me 1:30:56 the recipient of the I don't know welcome Dano I don't get that you try and say you can jersey is falling in there. You try see you got some hot shit Because 1:31:05 every nigga in here has been the recipient of something stolen. That's what he confused me said grant that grand loss me Yeah, and it's not 500. It's not I said it's a 1:31:13 stat No, it was it was a stat actually 100 to a stat when I was up. It's like There's more yeah Wish 1:31:22 your point anyway good to not live Good to not be criminals today. Yeah. Jesus, 1:31:30 Mary and Joseph. I was bringing up something early in the episode before Natasha came here. Big Natasha. So 1:31:39 it was to her. You and Mark were online having some conversations about how the podcast- 1:31:48 I wanna hear who you're talking about. How the podcast at some point, because there are people who are attached to this that reap the benefits of it and outside in Denver's, that 1:31:56 maybe there's a world where you should receive profit from it, or you should be paid. I know these niggas ain't say that. That you should be paid for some of that. 1:32:04 So I listened to it on YouTube and thought it was an interesting conversation, interesting take that people had. I kind of want to see we can get your real full 1:32:12 opinion on it. Mark's not here. So. Mark me just bored. 2 bored dumb niggas. I know this thing ain't say that 1:32:20 a lot. My man ain't say that. No, no he didn't say that. There was a conversation going on. No he wouldn't say that. The king. There was a conversation going on. Mark was pretty much defending 1:32:29 the notion that no he doesn't think that that makes sense. Oh, I shot him off. I took him down. But I did think it was an interesting conversation that we could probably have 1:32:37 if you were willing to go into it a bit more. I'm willing. Come on. Okay. So, 1:32:45 Do you think it is feasible for, let's just say, unknown people? Well, first of all, before we continue, let me let my brother Ish know I did not say what he's saying. 1:32:54 No, he didn't say it. No, no, no. Because you're looking at me a certain way. Hold up now. Yeah, him was in my face, but I did look at you too. Oh, my God. So, let's just take 1:33:02 some of the people up here who are pretty unknown before coming to the platform, right? Whoever you want to choose, viewership, 1:33:10 do whatever, right? And let's just say they get here and they do their work, they put their time and they put their years in, right? Sure. And they now develop 1:33:19 their own brand outside of here. Is there a world where that person should kick back some of those profits or 1:33:27 kick back some of that to this platform because this platform is pretty much the platform that gave them the light in the beginning. Did that person sign a 360? 1:33:36 Let's go freeze. I'm asking a question to your hypothetical person. Well, no, let's make it realistic. The contract is 1:33:44 not set up for that in the beginning at all. It's not spoken to that at all. But do you see a world where the person should be able to come back and say, hey, you know, you're 1:33:52 doing pretty well in this brand. A big part of why your brand is this because I've given you that level of exposure, you should kick some shit back. No, I 1:34:00 don't. And I say that because again, this is business. So if that were the case, that should have been in a contract. The same way a person can say, me 1:34:09 joining, not me, I'm just saying whoever's joining, said brand or said podcast, might have taken it to another 1:34:18 level. Are they now entitled to more from there? No, why? Because that was not negotiated, that was not in your contract. It's the same 1:34:26 thing. Everybody helped each other. You come to work, you do your job, you get what you negotiate. And the same thing with your job. If they wanted a piece of that, 1:34:34 they should have negotiated that. Let me ask you a question. If the 1:34:42 addition of somebody bought the Joe Button podcast 20, 30 million dollars in revenue, 1:34:51 but you signed for whatever. It's kind of similar back to the Scottie Pippen shit. It's the same so same thing so so so On 1 1:34:59 side somebody might benefit on the other side somebody might benefit, but you sign what you sign. And so, whether you are the beneficiary 1:35:09 of the blessing, or the other person is the beneficiary of the blessing, or both of y'all are beneficiaries of the blessings, you still sign what you sign. I think 1:35:17 he is just talking about rights. Yeah, I'm not talking about you. No, he was saying like... Of course you sign what you signed so in any instance you have to abide by 1:35:26 what you signed. That's a fact. It sounds like you're just talking about... I thought he was saying like morally should you just wanna No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, 1:35:34 so I'll make, I'll even extend it. Like for example real quick, when we talk about Flip with the casino, when he said, dude gave him 20, he put that at 1:35:42 the casino and made 4, 000. 4, 000 dollars. And we would say You should kick back some of that to home that gave you the 20 out morally. I'll change it. Never mind 1:35:50 the moral shit I'm gonna use you as I'm gonna do it anyway Slide you after let's just say tomorrow. Your 1:36:03 contract is up. Don't speak on my contract. And now it comes time to now come back to the table and now talk to ownership about what a new contract looks like. You've 1:36:11 done whatever you've done from that point to now and you've established some stuff outside of here. That's becoming profitable for you. And now the 1:36:19 company sees it and says, yo, you know what, I see the growth, I see what's going on, I feel like a lot of what you have going on on that side we're kind of responsible for, 1:36:27 we're gonna now add this new term to this new contract. Do you feel comfortable signing that? I want to talk to my people and we'll have a conversation and we'll go from there. 1:36:36 Okay. All right. Sorry. But what did you want to know from me? Well I was asking 1:36:45 Where do you stand on that? I've been public about my stance on this. Your question is... Loaded? Yes, 1:36:54 it's tricky. Typically when this comes up, it's not a 50-50 relationship. It's not both sides 1:37:02 are coming to the table with equal share and normally in that situation 1 side feels like without that 1:37:11 side you can't but in entertainment you paying for well everybody has to decide 1:37:20 how and when they'll pay for an access that they don't have, right? Like I recently 1:37:28 told a company who had access to a company that was looking for me. I don't have access. 1:37:39 But this company that had access to a company, huge company, that was looking for me. And 1:37:47 at some points it felt like Gatekeeping was going on. Yeah, how he was. Yeah. Yeah, it was like it was I Can't confirm or deny. 1:37:56 I'm just telling you how I felt still a price somewhere in feeling like that. I said Yo, just get it 1:38:04 done I'm kicking it back. Yeah, take your fee. Get it done, kick it back, work out the details. Like I ain't 1:38:12 just, so I just think it's on everybody to decide when and where that's appropriate. I always use the fucking VH1 example 1:38:20 where it was 1 of them shows where a girl made a beverage and the beverage or somebody made a beverage and the beverage 1:38:30 took off. Went off. Yeah. And when the company saw it happen, they was like, oh shit, well, that beverage don't take off without it being here. 1:38:38 Let's kind of try to rectify that so it don't happen. So VH1 changed the rule, maybe somewhere after Cardi B. But 1:38:47 if in the 1 in 1000000 chance you are Cardi B Witness willing to do yeah. Yeah, then yeah, so I understand both sides 1:38:56 I understand being on the creative side saying you know what fuck that I'm gonna take the the alternate route is a long 1 but it'll get me to the same place. And 1:39:04 I understand kicking back and paying when you see it appropriate for your brand. Makes sense to, yeah, especially if you're still 1:39:12 trying to grow a brand. It's an assessment that you're allowed to do as a person. I thought it was a good conversation only because I don't think there's a right or wrong. I think it's a situational thing. I think 1:39:20 depending on the person you are and what you need at the moment, I can see a world where, hey, if I understand that this platform is giving me this amount of eyes 1:39:28 that can help me grow a business that will be harder to do on my own, and all it's going to cost me is to kick back a percentage. What's the kickback to? You know 1:39:36 what I'm saying? I don't see a world where like at first listening to it was like this sounds crazy but then when you step out of it it's like it's not. But like take yourselves out of it right and y'all 1:39:44 wasn't never in it but because I'm I say that because I'm not start talking about the part take yourself out of it because everybody's been here 1:39:52 -> 100:01.260] for long enough but for the person that didn't like for the person that is a relatively unknown