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0:00 The thoughts views and opinions expressed by this podcast as well as its hosts offer entertainment purposes only I Repeat it 0:08 is not serious. It is not real. No 1 is exposing revealing indicting Or telling you 0:16 anything about themselves Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals. Do not have your best 0:24 interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. What you talking about? That shit was funny, dog. This nigga still wiping his ass. Dog, 0:33 That shit was funny. You good? You all crying. Contact lenses is coming out. And you know the 520 niggas is 0:41 funny. That shit is funny, bro. Oh, man. It's just different high in the high chair. High in the high chair. 0:50 Oh, man. Ladies and gentlemen, honored to be here with you guys today. We have a 0:58 very very very very special guest. Friend of the show. We have a friend of the show. We have someone that I've 1:07 worked with. We have someone that used to throw amazing parties in houses in Los 1:15 Angeles that I would sneak into. Oh, man, we used to be a time. You still have those? We 1:24 have, they're more so events now, at venues. Wife-dette-dette, huh? It was a personal choice. I'm a smart man. Yeah, hey, 1:32 smart man. Ladies and gentlemen, please make some noise, none other than Eric Bellinger in the building. We 1:41 back. E, what's up, man? Feeling good. I'm breathing again. New life, new energy, new chapter, new era. What 1:49 does it mean when artists do that? Yeah, what does it mean when artists say new life, new chapter, what happened? That means something happened. New 1:57 deal. I went the old in with the new deal. Old money out, new money in. Nah, I think it seems cliche for sure, you know? And 2:05 some people, when they say have less weight than others, you know, but for me, it is just 2:14 coming brand new, coming different when it comes to the music, the sound, the strategy, and 2:23 most importantly, the authenticity and vulnerability in the music. All right, why the need to have a new all of those things? What 2:31 happened? Nothing happened. I think I got to a place where I did everything that I wanted to do 2:39 that was Eric Bellinger's idea. Like I'm super creative. I have a lot that I wanted to get off, whether it's Afro-Beast music, whether it's R&B music, 2:48 whether it's trap soul music, whether it's songwriting, you know, I just kind of was doing it my way for a long time. But this is 2:56 the first album that I sat signed with a label, did a deal, and now I'm pretty much seeing 3:04 someone else's vision with my gift. Just a collaboration with Rodney, right? Yeah. Is he revamping Tamela? Yeah, Rodney Jerkins. 3:12 Rodney Jerkins. So you guys are revamping Tamela, you're the flagship off of that. Exactly. So Tamela is the label that acts 3:21 like Stevie Wonder and all the greats. Marvin Gaye, Tammy Terrell. So now they got Rodney 3:29 to revamp the label and it's under Motown and it's powered by Capitol so it's just 3:37 dope to have all of these hands involved in Eric Bellinger who has been the independent soldier now linked 3:45 up with an army. Okay It's been a long day for me, right? 3:54 So my mind is working slow. Let's talk slower. Let's light 1. I forgot how much of a fucking 4:02 pro you are and how long you've been in the game So I gotta find different ways to ask What 4:11 the fuck you try to say what the fuck To the new album back to the new album. But what? I wanna know. 4:19 Rodney Juergens. You didn't even want to talk music yet. Motown. Congrats. Hey, that's great, you guys. Yeah, that's the vibe. 4:27 Okay. But. Before we got here. Was anybody fired before this? Nah, it wasn't 4:35 nothing. It was just time. Like, I've done so many different things. You know, I got over 40 albums Yeah music that like I said, it's just 4:43 doing in my way, but I feel like now it's more so my story, you know what I'm saying, more so than just music. Bedroom 4:52 music. Do you think your story has not really been told the way it should be? Yeah, I never really 5:00 told it. Why? Like I said, I was just making music that I thought was dope. You feel like the industry 5:08 never let you just really just be an artist that got that full support like you always had to be, like you said, you've been independent, been more known 5:16 as a writer. Yeah. So. Nah, yeah. I think with the songs that I wrote, they was always pushed by a major label. 5:25 You know what I'm saying? So, when you listen to New Flame or you listen to Let Me See or you listen to Right Here, it's like they got the machine behind them. My music 5:34 was definitely always, you know, by me for the people that follow me on Instagram. It 5:42 wasn't just the same reach, but It was just like I was just doing it out of passion and I feel like only doing it for my crowd, not really 5:50 worrying about nothing else. So what's your goal with the new music? To reach the masses, to try it out with stadiums, to 5:58 go big, just to see what it's like for my fans, to see me on the way that they see me in a house the way they see me in a mine to 6:07 see it tangibly in the world you think you think you the most hold on let it play for a second it's beautiful that's 6:15 the bedroom we outside What year is this? 6:23 This is ages ago. That's 2013, 2014. 2014, that's the rebirth. Yeah. This 6:34 is a joint still. This still does it. I ain't gonna lie, niggas got some ass off your music. That's what I'm saying. This is nude for the newbies 6:42 out there, but this is 1 of those... You know what the just code is Just code is, yeah You know 6:50 what the just code is Just code is You gotta be nude If you know, you know. Oh man. 6:58 Yeah, let's just go for a second, man. God 7:07 damn. Yup. That 1. Yeah, yeah. It's beautiful music. What's up the joint, R&B singer? It's beautiful music. Come on, R&B singer. That 7:15 was... Niggas was tight, you ain't make that into a full record. We did! When? Y'all released that? We definitely did. Oh, that's right. That's 7:24 right. Let's get a few things tucked away. You feel like you're 1 of the most- I seen your ex doing that, they said, hey! I can bet you could put this on that. I'm gonna alarm you, whatever you take the pros in, you gotta take the cons in. Wait, no, I gotta find it down, man. 7:40 What you saying? Now, just speaking on that, do you feel like you wanted to, not 1 of the, do you feel like you're the most underrated R&B artist at this point? 7:49 Do you feel like you get- I think it is, if you know, you know. I think, you know, it's not underrated when people hear it 7:57 and they get a chance to listen. It's just like, you don't know if you don't know. But based on your ability, your talent, and all of that, 8:05 you should be, no disrespect, megastar. You disagree? No. I just 8:14 think I know the game. Like, I really know the game, and I know music, and I know that I haven't done all the things just necessary in place. Like 8:22 right now, I think people is about to see all the pieces aligned at the same time. It's just really 8:31 impossible when you are independent to go and compete on the level of a Drake stat It just gets to a point where radios not 8:39 is not only it gets to a point where You know I'm saying like the the Grammy stage or the BET stage is just like But 8:47 I think once you have a support behind you, not only does it make you more reputable, but they know that 8:56 if they do give you that stage, that you're going to be able to do something with it, because It's not just you and your homies. Especially when that person is Rodney Jerkins, 9:04 who's known for 1 of the greatest. So to know that you got that support from him. Like what's those conversations with him now? It's just creative. 9:12 Well now, man, it's crazy because we in the mic mastering phase. So, you know, it was in the studio writing on the whiteboard, he was right 9:20 there. From when we was coming with all the track list and the ordering, he's like, let me do the transitions, give me all the songs 9:28 so I can do the thing that I do when I do the thing, you know? So, and then going back and forth, he's super open, when any time I got any note, like, yo, this 1 right 9:36 here, I know I said it was the perfect mix, but can you take out the breath on that part? You know what I'm saying? And he go back and do it. 9:44 Boom, Here's a new version. Is he introducing you to new ways to record, layer, harmonize? Because 9:53 he done worked with everybody in the universe. Yeah, no, this 1 is more so on a production side. Like they got him in this seat. Like 10:01 he's the, you know, head of the label of Tamela. So on the creative aspect, it was only post-production for this project. 10:10 Got it, got it, got it. Okay, so are you still doing the writing? Yeah. Okay. So this 1 is just written by all by me, no co-writers, 10:19 just production with Oak, Harmony, Troy Taylor, KP. We have his heat around Troy's there. 10:27 And Harmony, Harmony don't get enough respect either. Yeah Harmony man, I started off with Harmony and we was doing a lot of the Chris Brown stuff, the Fame album, got 10:35 the Grammy together, and this is like the first time me and Harmony connected again to work on my music. That's dope. How 10:43 important is it in this new chapter for you to, because we know you as a writer. 10:52 Well, and artist, but there is that writer-artist kind of balance you gotta walk. But are you still gonna try to maintain 11:00 that? Like, listen, I'm Eric Bellinger, the artist and the writer, or are you going full-fledged a Marion coming out on the Rick Ross. 11:10 Nah I'm trying to write I'm trying to always write do what I did to get here to stay here you know I just reached out to Usher and we about to do 11:18 some work You know I mean, so I'm like still actively trying to get a crack and flow new single coming out featuring k1 Did that 11:26 so that's gonna be a flows a girl group from UK, right? So yeah k1 snap So, 11:36 what do you look to achieve now that you feel you haven't already? Like what's left? What's left? I mean for me it's just taking 11:44 those things that are the bucket list. You know what I'm saying? Like a Grammy, I got a multiple Grammy's songwriting, but I got a nomination as 11:52 an artist. So I wanna just get to go ahead and get the Grammy. I didn't wanna go ahead and get the stage. I wanna go ahead and do the stadium tour. I wanna go ahead and aim 12:00 for the things that are out of this world because I've already victory lapped the things that most seem unattainable. Maybe 12:11 a little toxic, but what's your state, it's not toxic, What's your state of male army right now when you when you start to look at the landscape and all 12:19 the artists? Yeah, I'm tapped in I'm super tapped in and I think a Lot of people are 12:27 doing at least like we got people in their own lanes There's not too many people that are like at the top and we sounding the same. Like, 12:35 you know what I mean? Like Durant got his sound, Chris got his sound, Leon got his sound, Lucky got his sound, Givion 12:43 got his sound, and that's what's making people stand out. Bruno got his sound like Bruno went bachata. You know what I mean? So it's like everybody is kind of in their 12:51 own lane and I don't know if it's any like superstar that's like the top runner. You don't get bothered by that a little bit? 12:59 That you someone who built the whole catalog off of R&B, and you stayed true to that sound, and you might have had moments where you've 13:07 written and done some pop stuff, whatever, but you're an R&B artist. And the fact that other people get the opportunity to play in and out of the genre and then come back 13:15 whenever they want and still be represented as R&B, when they really not that. Nah, I look at it like comparing me is just not fair because I ain't never had the 13:23 push that I'm about to have and not the world about to see. Mine is like, yo, I've been doing this off of pure passion and pure talent and pure gift and I've 13:32 just been pushing, but the budget and the finances, and it just been off the love, you know what I'm saying? But now it's kind of like so 13:40 strategic that I'm hearing no from people in my team. I'm like, what you mean no? Love that, great. And it's kind of like, 13:49 I be getting angry. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Because that's like, I normally just do what I want to do. And it's like, this is cool. 13:58 But it's so different than this is cool. And I kind of learned it by seeing and trusting it and trying. Like, ooh, okay, we 14:06 just went to Impact at Radio, we was number 1 most added, okay. Oh, Top 30 right away on the first entry? Oh, and we still pushing and 14:14 we ain't even started? And you know what I'm saying? It's just like the results are like, it's not just me, it's so many people working on my behalf that I think I owe it to myself to 14:23 see it in this way. What do you think is missing from the male R&B landscape that you can provide? Landscape that you 14:31 can provide? Sauce. The drip. Sorry. It's the also, it's intuition 14:40 on what the fans are ready for. Based off what's come in the past and also 14:49 based off what's working right now and Being able to identify what's missing because I come from the standpoint of a songwriter 14:57 first so labels and everybody was calling me for my Intuition for real to know what's next. So 15:05 this song, Cryin' From The U, everybody like it, but I did it 2 and a half years ago before we heard of a Mut, before we heard of 15:13 a Folded, before we heard of any of those songs, because this is just where I was at, but. You knew where it was going though. Yeah, I just, and 15:22 then I went and did an Afrobeat album, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, it really is, you know what I'm saying? You went through a stretch where you was putting out too much damn 15:30 music. I don't know man. It was a stretch where it was a lot it was It was a lot. I was like what the fuck is he trying to do here? 15:38 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I Understand it now. I think at the time This the leadership and guidance you you rolling and 15:46 and I'm believing like everything that we doing because it works for what we think works. It works for the monthly royalties, 15:55 taking care of the bills. It works for the monthly royalties, being able to drive whatever I want. And a lot of artists and people don't even know that because they don't they 16:03 don't drop enough music to know that you can pump your monthly up to 80, 000 100, 000 if you just drop in and you have actual monthly 16:11 listeners. So now it becomes like Chris Brown got 27 albums I mean 27 songs on his album and regardless of anything 16:19 you're still listening because it's still playing and there's still songs and there's still hours being stacked up on Spotify so you're still here 16:27 so the more music you have to listen to Now we're counting hours rather than quality. My 16:38 pushback to, you mentioned the Chris album, my pushback to it was that there was a lot of records and I love concept 16:46 albums. Don't get me wrong, I understand we're in a different era and age. You don't think at some point there needs to be a level of balance, especially from the 16:55 main acts, like the guys that we really look to. I'm not mad when you give us 27, but I also appreciate you giving us- No, I do. I do 17:03 appreciate it. That's why my album has 10 songs on it, back to my album. Yeah. 10 songs on it, and yeah. But I 17:11 just can't understand both as an artist that can be like, yo, I'm sensitive about my shit. At 1 point I was like, the Rebirth album got 32 songs on it. 17:19 You know what I'm saying? So we did that too, you know? But I think now the world is just a lot more, you know what I'm saying? Short 17:29 attention span. That's what I see a lot of. A lot of people complaining, like any long album without even listening to anything. It 17:37 could be amazing and like, oh shit, I like every song on here. Just the fact of seeing over 20 records, they check out. 17:45 Overwhelming. Yeah, it's like, I can't do this. What are we talking about? Yeah, yeah. I think they're conditioning us to do it now though. The 17:54 long album? Or you mean, I think it's the other way around. Everybody's short. But not even if you look into like TV shows or series. They've 18:02 been doing that. Short seasons. There we go. Or series short seasons here we go And 18:15 I know that she could be gone. She must have forgot that I'm an R&B singer. She must have forgot she dealing with the calls. She 18:24 found what she was looking for. You was in the car bumping this shit. I had the bitches when this was out. I ain't gonna 18:33 lie to you. He called the right nigga for this 1. This 1 I was moving and shaking. I'm tame now. I'm 18:46 tame now. Alright, alright, alright. Respect me. I'ma sing, I'ma tell you this bitch shit thinks you can't expect When you dealing with it real R&B 18:55 Sing a R&B song This is not the song I was in here looking for. I'm trying to find this fucking song. And I don't know how to work iTunes no more. There 19:03 we go. There we go. This 1. This song. This nigga was like my favorite artist in the world for a good 4 or 5 years. Come on, man. You 19:12 just sit on 1 of your moves Oh, yeah. Sheesh. This nigga got all the joints. The joints, the joints, 19:21 let's go. Make it on the couch tight move. This was the project. That's your boy your shows tight move. 19:29 Now what's the record with 7? He had an early record with 7-2, that was crazy. That's 20-20. That's 20-20. That's 20-20. That's 20-20. Nah, 19:37 that project, that was a project. What vibe are we getting on the new joint? Is it going to be joints for niggas to fuck something to? Is it going 19:45 to be joint like outside party on some fine China shit like what what can we expect? This is for man because this is for married people 19:53 this you make a married people music This is grown. This is grown. It's definitely grown Grown music, but at 20:01 the same time it's relatable music it's just real music you know what I'm saying like when you when you think of somebody that's just saying the things that ain't 20:09 nobody did a song about you know I'm saying like the records that you gonna fill them so you can't not play them like when you think Mike or 20:18 or Bob Marley when they had songs that was like a message, it wasn't just like, we fucking. It was more so like, we can play this at the barbecues, 20:27 we can play this when every day in the car on the way. Because you don't wanna hear it again and again. It's that, it's not a daily listen. I 20:35 mean, it is, it's a daily listen rather than I heard it. Interesting that you say that. What is the last concept in R&B that you've heard like that where you felt 20:43 like, damn, I wish I'd have thought of that or a concept that you were just surprised somebody thought of and saw 20:51 get traction, right? Like for me, when Leon Thomas put out Mutt and it took off, I was like, oh shit, interesting that, for me 20:59 that brought me back to the girls when Akanele put out, put it in your mouth. It's like, they gonna sing that part, and now the bitch is like, well we could talk 21:07 about that now. Like what concepts have you heard recently that have brought you there? Man, when it comes to the R&B, it 21:17 ain't too many. These niggas is weak, right? Yeah, he ain't gonna say, hey when it come to R&B these niggas is sauceless. Ain't enough drip 21:25 in the R&B scene. It ain't too many that I've heard That are intentional to that extent niggas ain't original Original No, 21:43 man, I got something to say How you feel about the the AI and the Suno and all that? I feel 21:51 like it's a way to use it, but you can't take it for like the whole thing and then that's it, you know what I mean? I think 22:00 if you're using it as like inspiration. Now you take elements that's hard and then add it to your flavor. But just taking the sumo, I'm not with it. 22:09 If you're building a tour, build your perfect R&B tour for me. All right. Chris Brown, 22:18 Usher, Eric Ballinger. Okay. There you go. I'm in there. No females? Oh, 22:28 they're going to be there. They'll be there anyway. Not backstage by Eaze room, but they'll be there somewhere. The 22:36 vicinity. Have you reached out about that? For sure. I reached out. I said, yo, what's up? What we doing? I went out. Did they read it? 22:46 No. Conversations happened. Conversations happened. Oh, they dumped the shit out of me. Conversations 22:55 have happened. Oh man. Oh man, this guy. If you get a call, alright, so now That's the conversation now, you got a project that you, you 23:04 in artist mode, you trying to make it very clear, y'all, I'm getting to that next level, but I've seen artists like you and Gene Noble and Avery have 23:12 no problem with, yo, you know what, when they call For them BGVs, I'ma go lock in. Yo dog, dog, what's BGV? Back row vote. That's 23:20 what I'm talking about. Yeah. What? You can't figure it out. It's 40 million people out here, BGV. You hear me trying to use his R&B slang. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 23:28 You know who you're stacking. You know my boys. That nigga's catching up. He's on leadership right now. Revert with the stack. That niggas catch up. Kinda hit with the stack. Revert. With 23:37 the stack, yo. Stupid. Dele Don, yeah. Dele. Nah, so if you get that call, right, and Usher, I know you work with Usher 23:45 a lot, and he's like, yo, I need you on this run. Do you go ahead and say, yo Usher, I ain't gonna lie. Artists mode now. I mean, artists mode. I got an album about to drop. 23:54 It's a question. Shit. You said run. Forrest. I'm Forrest at that point. No, I think it's a- 24:02 That's a great question. It's a great question. You setting the standards. So what do you do moving forward? I would just say I would love to, but can I also get 24:10 some joints off too? And just ask. At least let me do a solo too. She did 24:18 go, she did go. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I would just ask that. Okay, so I'm going to... All right. You're going to pretend to be Usher? Go ahead, 24:26 do it. Hello. Hello. Put that on everything. In the event that Usher says, you know what, I 24:35 just need these BCVs, whatever the fuck he, I just need these 3 CDs. I need these 3 CDs. 24:45 Then what do you do? I roll because I know I'm gonna get a boot a boot bop. It's gonna happen. I ain't 24:53 gonna hold you that situation that that but that too if I'm an rmb nigga I'll build my own stage in the parking lot I'm not gonna lie to you. I'll go out 25:01 there with the DJ like, we told my stadiums, they're going to be there. He's like, nah, I'm good, that's crazy. They got to be an intermission or something that you can let me get. 25:09 Something, at least 2 junctures. Let me introduce a song. Play the shit in his background. I'll call a DJ. Yo, yo, yo, Me and 25:17 you, we got this. Why they swap? Well, Usher's good at that. Whenever he's done Superstar, he makes it clear that you're the inspiration for the 25:26 challenge. Yeah, exactly. I went for the backgrounds on that, and that Tiny Desk thing gave me a whole nother battery. It was like shoot Okay, was introduced 25:34 to a lot more people How was the tiny desk experience? Yeah How many people was there it was at least it was like 25:43 100 people? Yeah, cuz they do they still had like a crowd in there just of the staff of everybody that was there. But it was early in the morning. So 25:51 all of that that was happening was like a 6 a.m., 7 a.m. Vibe. God damn it. He Latin Niggas cook too. Mm-hmm, it was cool though. We, 26:00 It was interesting to see we do all that with just that little bitty space, but I'm definitely trying to get mine too. Hey, how you doing? So 26:09 if you're talking to somebody out there that's an R&B artist right now and they're aspiring, Do you tell them 26:19 which is more important, the music or the marketing and why? I would 26:27 say the marketing is more important than the music. It hurts to say it. It does today. That's where it's at, but I mean yeah for sure cuz you 26:35 can make the craziest song But if you're not standing your iPhone up tall and putting the words at the bottom of doing a little performance video We're up with 26:43 a nice little hook at the beginning a tree dropping in the forest You pop up I mean shit if the movie cost 50 million they're gonna 26:52 spend 150 million on marketing. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. It can't be understated. Yeah, no you gotta play the game. Who's 27:00 some of your more slept on vocalists right now at the moment? Man, slept on, 27:08 I don't know if she's slept on, but I think Sasha Keeble slept on. Damn 27:17 right. She's great. Yeah, she's great. A big fan, she only drops every now and then, but she just dropped 27:25 a joint, Alina Baraz. She dropped a single. She dropped something recently? Yes, she did. Oh, word. She just dropped 1. And then 1 of my favorite albums. 27:34 Some more aromatherapy music. I like the R&B ladies. Her EP from last decade. Sailor. 27:42 I'm not familiar with Sailor. Listen, S-A-I-L-O-R-R. That's 1 of my favorite ones Asian. Okay, so my favorites These are 27:50 we gonna you think we get not ask it can be yeah. Yeah, it's like a can be What's that? Korean yeah 27:59 No, it's not came No, that's a real thing I know but like a pop 28:08 is real maybe I'm saying Telling you it's a real thing. Karnab Korean army. Now. They killing me and it's no 28:16 no Okay Yes That's all saying you 28:24 think you think we get an ass kick, you know, cuz the UK R&B is like And it's... No, they're not going off. Okay. It's better than K-pop. I'll tell you that. K and B? Yes. I ain't up for that. That's what I'm saying. You think we're getting our ass kicked, because the UK R&B is shining right now. I think they're serving because they take 28:32 it seriously. But really, I think they look up to American R&B heavily to the point where that's what 28:40 they were studying. You know what I mean? But they've taken the discipline to another level so it looked like it's more polished and more serious than us. We 28:48 just like take it for a joke. We see somebody go viral and try to imitate that. Yeah. I feel like they're more influenced by like soul. I was about to say, it seems 28:56 like they go to the old shit and they trying to take a lot of the old shit with a little bit of the new shit and recreate the sound. But even the layering, like a lot 29:04 of the female, like when you see Flo, Flo to me, they stack their harmonies and everything. Yeah and all that. A classic R&B group, Sasha, 29:13 very like brandy influence. Like you hear all those people studying the acts that were really R&B acts. Cleo's Soul. They are. What's 29:22 your most controversial R&B take? About the genre? Anything R&B related. I don't know. 29:35 It's a lot of people out there. I think they do R&B music, but it's just based on a surface level 29:44 place. I think nobody's thinking deeper because they haven't felt the need to. You know what I mean? They see other things working but 29:52 to actually like go back in and reset that means you actually feel there's something in you that can be better and it takes a humble 30:00 person to be willing to go back to the drawing board. Not stopping at 30:09 2020 because we in what 26 I'm not counting this decade. Rank the decades in R&B from the 70s to 30:17 the 2000s. All right, I would say 90s first, 2000s. 90s first, why? I agree with you. But 30:25 why? 90s first, because you could feel the pain and the passion. So 30:34 if it's Mary, if it's Jodeci, if it's R. Kelly, if it's Leah, you can feel it. The people that was 30:42 behind the music, making the music was heavily influenced and there was a lot more player in the 90s. Definitely 90s. The 30:51 CEOs and I think the 2000s, it like had the remnants but it got a little modernized and it was like a fire bounce 31:00 that became and it was based off like hooks and rap combined. That was crazy. I think after 31:08 that, I would go 80s just because it wasn't the edginess of the 90s, but it was still the classic feel 31:16 good. We're not worried about being cool or none of that, it was just like feel good. And I think that still remains. Before 31:24 that, then 70s because it was like, the funky vibe is like you can, nowadays we only get to hear so much of it but it was 31:33 still like the origin and then I go to the 2026 last just because like the 2020s last because I think people are still finding 31:41 their way as artists and as labels and as managers and as mentors I think everybody has the great reset when a pandemic happened. 31:49 Nobody had a job, nobody had an idea, and everybody just lost focus for a minute. So we just like rebuilding. I got the 90s first and I 31:57 got a big drop off before anybody else. I think y'all really underestimating that 70s 32:05 man. I don't count the 70s as R&B. I know it's more soul. I get it and there's a lot of disco also added into it. So I understand that and funk, but some 32:14 of the greatest music that we like, talk about Manhattan, Spinners, The Dales, Temptations, Marvin. The 32:22 70s would be my number 2. Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder. Like we, like, it's a lot of 70s shit that really... The 32:30 80s for me was more of a pop thing. Don't get me wrong, they still had elements in there. 80s was where it became, it 32:39 was shifting. The genre was shifting to me. It was like soul but with hip hop production, sort of like that early elements of it. The 90s 32:47 is like the full realization of modern R&B to me. Yeah, no, no, no, I agree. Too many legendary solo acts, the 90s 32:56 groups, groups are still thriving, too many legendary groups. I got the 90s because some of 33:04 the niggas that was lit in the 80s still had a run in the 90s. Michael Jackson had a run in the 90s. Stevie had a run in the 90s. 2010s was 33:12 fire, too. Aaron Hall. 2010s was fire. Yeah, I think in the 2000s, for me, it takes like a backseat. It got a 33:20 little weird outside of that Bobby Valentino run and T-Pain, outside of that, it got a little weird. See, I think in the 2000s, excuse 33:29 me, hip hop kind of fused with it. Infused, infused. Kind of almost, yeah. Like how you said, modern R&B 33:37 started in the 90s, and then once you infuse the hip hop, it's like it evolved into something else. It's not even. At 1 point, all the remixes was 33:45 just lazy. In the 90s we had better one-hit wonders and R&B in the 90s we had better two-hit wonders mm-hmm now 33:55 that's true you gotta know you gotta know to like the music and you know I mean like really know but in the 90s I know they 34:03 don't like it that old neo soul. Yeah takeoff is the 90s Vivian green all that is definitely a long shot Yeah, 34:11 like it's a very first tough this education is the night Fire to those today and Frank and 34:23 The 90s there's a lot of dope shit in the 2010s. Yeah I got the 2010s, probably third. That's that trap soul. Again, 34:33 it's a different sound but it's R&B. I think I go 90s, I guess I'll count the 80s. I'll go 90s, 80s, 2010s, 2000s. 34:42 Is there a way to define R&B? Before the 70s? Oh, you're not counting the 70s. I'm not including the 70s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it, got it, got it. Is there a way 34:52 to define R&B? Every time we talk to someone, we have this conversation about, oh, nah, this might be soul. Nah, this is trap. What is R&B? Today. 35:00 Yeah, what is that today? Today, I think it's just slow. It does get confusing today. To the kids, if it's not an up tempo 35:08 club song, it's slow. Because it could be a rapper in melody with autotune, and it's not going to sound no different to them than the R&B 35:16 artist today. Yeah. People mad at Chris over that, too. Like they saying he ain't give him enough upbeat 35:26 poppy shit. I can't keep talking about the Chris Brown album, because I have nothing but amazing things to say and I'm going to keep sounding like a Dick Ryder and a 35:34 Glazer. I love that. That's why I ain't saying nothing no more. I feel like he almost made that album for me, then, for Chris Brown fans. He 35:43 makes his music for Chris Brown fans. That's what I keep telling them. There's a certain, He said fuck y'all. There's a certain chord Right. 35:52 That he is the expert when he, he is the 1 that's going to take this chord, the 1 that, that fucking 36:00 for the moment, that chord, the fucking chord Chris Brown read, Chris Brown, there's a chord that when he get to, lights out for everybody. That's, 36:08 might as well be his chord on the mid tempo. And that's all over this project. He killed this shit to me, but whatever. I'm done with this shit. Yeah, we ain't throwing it. I'm done with this shit. Okay, 36:17 so from what we have recently heard about the Brandi and Dark Child stuff, 36:25 whose side are you on? Yo, nigga. Yo, I don't even know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, 36:34 no, no, no. It recently came out, I think it was a Dark Child interview. Or a Brandy. No, Brandy. It was a Brandy. I'm sorry. It was 36:42 the book. Oh, it was the book. In the Brandy book, she spoke about when they were recording and 36:50 I guess 1 of the times, the time where they split, she felt like her sound, the sound 36:58 that they created, co-created, her words was getting leased out to too many other R&B acts and I guess she 37:06 spoke up about it and She said he said I'm gonna go work with Beyonce No, no million albums will be honest wanted her 37:14 to do something and she was reluctant to do it and because she was given pushback he was like I'm gonna take this very thing and go 37:22 sell. 5000000 records of Beyonce and you go do whatever the fuck you're doing. I understand both sides. This 37:31 is kind of the A. Marie Rich Harris, if you remember all of that. Like where do you stand on that? Create 37:40 producers kind of having a sound with 1 artist going out and dropping mad 37:48 hits. Yeah, I would say if they wrote the songs with the artists, that's that artist's songs. Don't 37:56 get those songs to another artist unless they agree. Especially the Sound. Oh, if it's the sound, just the beat, just the sound. 38:05 Yo, niggas gotta be honest with Brandy. Brandy, that wasn't your sound. If it's just the production, I think the producer is very welcome to work with everybody in the 38:13 world. It wasn't her sound, and she wasn't the first. But once she mastered it, it became hers. Michael mastered it before. On what? Invincible. The 38:21 Invincible album came out before Full Moon. What was on Invincible? You rocked my world. It sounded like Unbreakable. All that stuff is very similar to that Full Moon album 38:29 if you Listen to it. That's all Rodney's shit. It just has to succeed. There's some shit on Never Say Never that I've never heard before. And it sounds like that. 38:37 That's when it was closer to the area. Like, we never heard, we talking about sound, angel in disguise. That sounds like. 38:46 And I love the, doom doom doot. Yeah. Doom doom doot doot. She just talking for 2 minutes. We never heard nothing like that. 38:56 We've never heard anything like that. You're right. But if I'm Rodney and I am the craftsman of that sound. And I place that 39:04 record with you and it sees its success with you. That doesn't make it our sound. That just means that I was able to give you my sound and make you. Because every 39:12 label calling is saying, hey, we need a joint just like that 1. See, Maybe it's my ear. You 39:20 Rock My World to me don't sound like the sound that I think they talk about. Like, you rock my world and what 39:29 about us and fucking all of this shit that's in that. I'm speaking to the album. Ain't only is this thing 39:37 to claim a sound. You know what, I recently heard an interview with Bryce from Groove Theory, and he was telling the story of the 39:45 groove theory breakup, which I had never heard. And in that was he just wanted to be a producer. They kind of coerced him into 39:53 being the artist. They had the success with the first album and the single that 40:01 he didn't even really want to do. He didn't want to be in a video or none of that. The label forced him to be in that because he was the face or whatever. So now they start fighting about splits. 40:10 But then once Tell Me blows up, she felt like his words, Nah, why am I splitting? I'm not splitting shit with you. Now he's 40:18 the producer, so he leaves. Tony Braxton does fucking, now what's the shit where he's in the video? Oh, you're making me 40:26 high. You're making me high. That's my shit. So now he's on fire, He's getting paid all of this fucking money. He looked back at group. Yeah He was and then it was 40:34 it was over. He's art out He was fucking out. They said they were arguing about a sound because she wanted to do that kind of groove 40:43 theory The groovy shit and he wanted to go big. Yeah, send us out the 1 I need to send her out to. Yeah. 40:51 I don't know, I got a feeling. We got a sound, I don't know nigga. No, we don't got a sound, I got a sound. We don't have 40:59 a sound. And I gave you a piece of the sound for your problem. I leased my sound to you. That's like if, let's just say Just Blaze didn't have 41:07 any hits before you, right? But that's his sound, that's his pattern, that's his shit. And he comes to you, pump it up, 41:16 it's a big hit. Is he not allowed to do that sound with nobody? It happens all the time in a music business. That's a great example because 41:24 I had a beef about a sound that I thought we created. And then I could hear post us working together. 41:32 It's about fire? When that just fired, shit, right after Pump It Up, flip mode start going crazy. I'm about to say Rod Digger joint. That's fire. It's 41:41 very similar to fire, to the Bust A Round shit. What? Yeah, the Rod Digger shit. The Rod Digger record. I talk about that all the time. Yes. But 41:51 now I'm back to flip mode because I can't prove it and he might have made flip mode before Pump It Up. That might 41:59 have been the same back. But we had success with this And now all of a sudden everything from that batch is suddenly 42:08 on fire and everybody, and I'm listening to radio, I'm competing against myself damn it. So now if you're a writer, right, because there are writers that have 42:17 formulas to their writing for their structure, right? We've been there. Flip side. You said flip, you fucked me up. I'm like, what? Yeah, 42:25 flip side. Okay. That song fucking started beating, pumping up ass toward the end. It did. What's that Jim Chills on, pumping up? That shit 42:33 started going. We eat up, man. But Pete, like, Neo, let's take Neo for instance. When Neo and Stargate started their little 42:41 line of hits, Neo has a very specific style of writing where you can hear it and know that that's his melody, that's his structure. If 42:51 he does that with another producer, can Stargate now get mad at him for taking his writing style and bringing it with another producer? It's like that's his style. That's how he 42:59 writes. It's the same concept. It gets tricky, man. It gets tricky. I don't know how I would feel if you only talk about the writing. I don't know 43:07 how I feel if we only talk about the writing. What if as the producer I helped you develop that sound? That writing style, that melody style, that way you stack your vocals. So when you say 43:15 melody, now I'm back in, but if you're just talking about a writing style. Writing, that's right. But melody is writing. But melody is writing. Melody, and that's probably 43:23 more important than the actual words at a certain point now So if your melody is instantly we can instantly identify that's a for him up with 43:31 the new backgrounds that's gonna tell it was a stargate or was neo Because I know them back. That's neo Arrangement that 43:39 yeah, we know that neo. Yeah, we know what time arrangement be different. Yeah, neo or sauce Who side was you on for Tank 43:47 and Tyrese? I hated that. Why, want some LA camaraderie shit? Want some we all brothers, we TGT, what are we doing? 43:56 Hated what happened? Or when you first saw it, when you first saw it? I was just like, damn, are they really beefing? Because they going little 44:04 blows to me. And I don't want to be in this shit. Hey, no, I wasn't in it. But they both are family. But I definitely, as 44:12 I was watching it, I was just like, ah, they going at each other. It's kind of like, ah, I 44:21 don't want to see it. Sounds like a familiar tape. Them is the homies. Don't try to get your Tyrese head off. Oh, 44:29 no. All right. Why would I? You'll come back up here. I hope you do. If they was acting cool, but I didn't 44:37 think they was acting after a while. That was that passive aggressive cool. How you feel about artists buying their way into publishing credit and pretending 44:45 like they writers? You such a shady bitch. Oh, shit. You such a shady, messy bitch. Why you doing that? Nigga, because we here. 44:53 How you feel about that? I think it's a bad investment, because people used to do it with hopes to get a publishing 45:01 deal and try to fool the publishing company. But I think nowadays if you do it, the publishing company gonna be like, all right, do another 1. It's not as, they not giving 45:09 away bread as quickly. Anyway, so you might've just gave somebody some bread and now you got 2.5%. You take your 2.5 to Sony, you take your 2.5 to Cobalt, take your 2.5 45:18 to Roc Nation, they gonna laugh. Now if you do that, a gang at times, don't matter, they still gonna laugh. 45:27 I think they can figure it out now. That's the oldest trick. Interesting. That's the oldest tree Timmy's it do 45:36 you think do you think? If a money makes beats and sells beats for 45:45 1000 dollars Mm-hmm, and I take a money's beats and put my name on it and it sells for 45:54 100000 dollars. Is that cool? Like is there anything wrong with that? The 46:02 first time, does he know or doesn't matter if he knows? He knows. He know if you sold it for 100? I think once he knows, I think you're not entitled to give him the 99. 46:11 I think the first time he lends a $99, 000 less. Oh wait, that was never even. You had to get that wrong. No way in my brain was I 46:19 handed him $90, 000. Did you say I said that? He said, you ain't say you was handing him $90, 000. I thought you said, 46:27 no, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying. He got it, style. He knows you sold it for it. Oh yeah, he can know. Okay, so now I think that he just, 46:35 nah, that's your extra. He got a $99, 000. He got a 99. You don't gotta be like, bro, you sold it for 150. But if he don't know. If he don't know. Then it is 46:43 what it is. But what if he signed his rights over to me and he just don't know. I got paperwork on him. Yeah, then I mean. Those might be for 46:51 everything he make in that little room. Whatever you gave him on the contract, whatever that ban was. I gave him 4 grand. On the contract. It was granted. For 5 years, 46:59 for 5 years, worth a beating. He signed it? Yes, he signed it. Yo, a nigga getting slid. I told him he don't need no lawyer. You're my lawyer, 47:07 bro. I gave him a lawyer. Nah, he don't even need no lawyer. They just getting away. A nigga back to me, you getting slid. You can use my guy. Yo. What? Yeah, You can use my 47:15 guy. He's been doing this for 20 years. He got you. That's a nasty game out there, yo. That's happened before. What's your worst deal? That's 47:23 happening every day. Worst deal was my first pub deal. I got like an MDRC deal where the quota was 400%, but I didn't 47:31 know what that meant. Oh shit. What does that mean to us that don't know either? I was just like, oh 4 songs? Cool. Now- But that's 47:39 the all equal up to- Yeah, but I was like, there was like 100% is 1 song. I was like, okay cool, we can do that. Now boom, first session, okay. 47:49 By the way, the producers here, so that's 50-50 off the bat. Boom, 50 for the producer. By the way, there's 2 co-writers there. So now, it's not even 47:57 25-25. It's low-key like 16.6 for the 3 of us. Now, okay, cool. Beyonce loves the song, she wants 35%. That's 48:05 a fact. Now, there was a sample, they want 40%. Now, at the end of the day, we got the single on the radio going crazy, but I got 48:13 3.5. You know what I'm saying? And that 3.5 is what goes toward the 400 to get you out your deal. The 400. So it's just a slow deal. So you got 100 songs that you got 48:21 right. It's... Yeah. Hip Boy talked about it. How long it took him to get out of his deal. It's like, yo, you getting all these hit records, 48:30 But when you start talking about the breakdown and percentages, what it goes towards your contract, you can be in that deal for 10 years. When you start signing niggas. That's crazy. So 48:38 yeah, you got to kind of like arrange it nowadays and just let people know like, yo, I want this type of deal or whether if it's an admin deal, whether if it's just a 48:46 like a release deal, it don't got to be on an album because even back in the day It was like if it's a single that didn't count. That'd be a single that's on an album. Oh my god 48:54 That's not my responsibility How did all how did you how did How did all your 49:03 independent projects count against whatever pub deal you had at the time? Because at some point, indie projects 49:11 just weren't even being valued properly. And then they changed it. And the change, I think, was 2 halves make a whole. Yeah. 49:19 Yeah. I think that was my first... Yeah. 2 indie projects equals 1 project. So, I mean, if they change it again, 49:27 I don't know what it is now. Before it was none. Yeah that was a solid. Yeah the Publixing was just always separate Like my writing 49:35 catalog and my artist catalog, they never really crossed. Got it, got it, got it, got it. Oh, that's crazy. These niggas is gangster, man. 49:43 Word. It's mind be blown any time we start talking about this. I be fucked up, because I don't understand how somebody does business like that. You 49:52 do, because you see the fucked up shit in other industries. It's just when you in that position, are you trying to get on, are you trying to make a statement? 50:00 Desperation. You take what you- I think it'd be the chase of fame, but this right here is unlike any business, bro. It is 50:08 unlike any. I'm not lying. I've never ever seen nor conducted business that was this lopsided and predatory in my 50:16 life. It exploits something that you really genuinely doing from a passion. So you know, most likely you're not going to get many chances to fucking 50:24 have a career based off your passion. So I'm going to take whatever risk. So I got to take whatever risk. It's easy to sell when you're selling a dream, boy. Yeah. The dreams are easy to sell, boy. 50:33 You're going to be big, you're going to be like the Beatles. They beating your ass like a Beatle. Yeah. Step on you like a Beatle, right? Who was your most surprising 50:41 artist to work with, as far as just their creativity and all? Yeah, probably Bieber. Justin Bieber was super creative and 50:50 uber talented. You play a bunch of instruments and all that shit, right? Yup, I had a session with him 1 time and he used the table 50:58 as the beat at first. We made a beat off of him playing the drums on the table and then they loaded that up. It's life. I was like, I've never seen that. But, 51:06 let's write. That's crazy. I had a good question but I forgot it. I ain't lying, 51:15 I had some ill shit. The 40s get on your ass. He jumped in with that. I was like, I forgot, nigga. Bring it in. The 51:23 40s, yo. I'm telling you. Bring it in. Pull up this shit. I'm thinking about questioning. Yo, I'm down. I'm telling you. Go ahead, go ahead. So you released a Mother's 51:31 Day single. Yep. And Mother's Day just passed last week. So tell us a little bit about it. Yep, yep. So Mom's passed like 2 years 51:39 ago. Damn. Sorry for the noise. Thank you. I appreciate it. And it was just a song on the album that really means the most to me, you know 51:47 what I mean? And a lot of the records is like pivotal, like anthemic songs because they're, like I said, big vulnerable moments. 51:55 So I got a song for my mom, just telling, just being able to tell her, you know, what she is for me 52:03 and let the people know, you know what I mean? This is the inner workings of me. Song is called Just Like You, because everything I did, I always wanted to be just like her. 52:12 And then Fatherhood, I got another single coming, them dropped that around Father's Day. So all the songs is, they 52:20 real topics that's needed and we need anthems for them. Okay. You know Father's Day song. You got 52:28 a Gang of Mamas song. Word. That's a fact. I'm glad somebody's even acknowledging Father's Day. Should be feeling lonely, boy. 52:36 Go in that cart out. In that cart out. Card out be this big. Check out your socks. Mother's Day cut the whole 52:45 shit. All right. All right, gang. I got it. I see what y'all are. I took my girl out the other day to buy her mother's day gift, but I bought me a father's 52:53 day gift first. I let her watch it too. Yeah, I'm buying this for me. This year, my son's birthday. 53:02 But it's her day. It's her day. It's her day That's rude and inconsiderate But there's actually kind of fly My 53:11 son turned 17 this year on Father's Day Oh, wow, so I'm debating if German I can celebrate because it's 17. They ain't Ain't 53:19 no important age and he fucking what you want skip his birthday Sounds like a wash to me. That's a why I come first. 53:28 Oh gosh So 53:37 you go skip his birthday now we share what I was the same day same day I was born on the same day. 53:45 Oh my gosh. Congrats. You was? Yeah. You say he was born on Mother's Day? I was born on Father's Day. My son was born on Father's Day as well. Wow. Oh, that's what I meant to ask you. 53:53 On a scale of 9 to 10, how great is Kehlani's album? From 9 to 10? Yeah. This is tough. 54:03 Tough answer, right? I'm going 10. I'm glazing, Kehlani. I don't care. That's just amazing. That's sick. That's just heat. It's amazing. It's 54:11 a really, really great project. Where do you fall on artists like Destin Conrad? Dope. I like Destin Conrad. I 54:20 heard you talking about RJ The Weirdo in recent RJ The Weirdo Yo dog RJ The 54:28 Weirdo Yo dog Gone He's out of here At least he's beautiful 54:38 Ty Dolla Sign He got his ear to the street. Yeah, for sure. Shout out to Sean. Where do you stand on, let 54:48 me see, Dixon? Oh yeah, he's fire. I've been studying him for a minute because he always was, I met him with Rock Nation because I've been 54:56 amazing for a few years. So I'm a big fan of him, his writing and his music. That's why. Alright, fucking K1. 55:06 See the new 1, you know what I mean? I think I see a lot of interviews now with her saying like how K-Line like boom, put 55:14 her in the spotlight and I see her questioning where she's at and I just want to let her know, 55:23 like, hey, just do you. You code. Her shit be wavy. And it's just, I don't know. I think It's necessary, especially 55:31 now with who she's talking to, the females, and being a female, they want to hear it. What's up, E? They want to hear it from a female. 55:39 Yeah, no, I'm with you. I need Jazi to get that same love too, though. Yeah, Jazi fire. Jazi, to me, is early 55:49 on doing a lot of stuff that k1 is doing now as far as just imagery and sound and volumes and It seemed like when 55:57 it's when it's from another place another country It get a little bit more love than when it's homegrown and home bred. Especially when it's coming from a black, 56:05 dark skinned woman. My gay girl playlist, they smoking bitches. I know, Sasha. Jazzy. Sasha's in there, Jazzy. 56:14 K-1 is in there, Ombre is in there. They smoking bitches. But I just need to pay more attention to Jossie though. Yeah. 56:23 Destin is in there too. I don't know. Duran's in there, you gotta put Duran in there too. Duran? Yeah. They smoking shit, yo, it's true, 56:32 it's true. Hey, the song he got with Big Sean is fire. Fire, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fire. Fire. I love that joke. So what are you doing outside 56:40 of music? Outside of album shit. Outside of music. When was the last time you cried to your wife? That's, oh, listen. The single is 56:48 based around me crying to my wife, it's called Crying in Front of You. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, great segue, same 56:56 as plug. Come on, man, stop playing. And, You know, I think the thing is, we get a lot of heat. 57:05 You know, when Tyree said, congratulations, it was viral. But I don't think it was viral for the, people was laughing, but it was 57:13 like, yo, my man was baring his soul for real, for real. You know what I mean? And it's unfortunate that it's looked at like that. Like I've even seen recent 57:23 viral moments with like Miami and people say, I don't want the nigga crying in front of me, da da da da da, you know what I'm saying? And I'm just like, society 57:32 fucked up. I'ma just give my narrative and spit my piece because to me, having that safe space and having somebody 57:40 you could cry to and let your guard down and really cry and not feel judged and not feel ashamed, It's so important and 57:49 black men really just be shoving our feelings under the rug. That's a fact. How do you handle, this question's from our audience. How do you handle 57:58 seeing old. I said, wait, wait. Who the fuck? Yeah, how do you do that? I was like, does he have a small friend? What? How you got that so quick? 58:06 Is there a feed? I'm not privy to a feed. Does he have the Apple vision? Oh, shit. How do you know him? How 58:15 do you handle seeing old work while you're with your wife? You know... You were excellent. 58:23 I have a very... Well, we just talked about that from the Met Gala, and I'll leave it at that. Oh, shit. But... And I don't know if that was old work, but just 58:31 seeing a woman that's a little too handsy and laughy and smiley while you with your wife, like what's the best way 58:40 to handle that? You just gotta try your best to keep it short. Some of them is like, they don't really like it. They don't pick 58:48 up on clues. Yep and You're in a good girl trying to save you For the Caribbean 58:56 boy, you're 1 word answers Very fast the good to see you got to come out. It was good 59:04 seeing you. You came and like, you get 6 feet. COVID rules. Yeah, you got to be cool with COVID rules. 59:12 Don't shake my hand, don't hug me. Last 1, old work might be different. It was good to see you. Say your mama said hi. You might not be able to say that. Nah, nah, nah. It can't be 59:20 good to see her. If you hit them with a quick wave on the low really fast Oh, how you know when they come they know it ain't what I think that was me No, they might not get they might not catch the hint 59:29 Now she's some smart 1 hug man, 1 on home or ignore. No you oh stop it. No, they're gonna turn over. Oh, 0 Eric, 59:38 please Keep pushing She's so small. Hey! 1 arm hug, man. 1 arm hug. Or ignore them. Oh, stop it, Eric. They're going to turn up now. Oh, Eric, please. 1 arm hug and keep it pushing. Here's another 1 from our audience. Are you on the side of the ghost or the ghosted? Me, 59:48 personally, I'm the ghosted. I used to do a thing 59:56 where if it's like, yo, if I change my number, to shit. Oh, 1:00:04 you want to know, aw. And you don't get the text, get the hit? No, my phone ain't gonna get hit. You should go 1:00:12 blue, you should turn green. You know what I'm saying? But when you change your number, you send out anybody you want to have your number, you send them niggas the text, yo, this my new work, 1:00:21 blah, blah, blah. If you ain't get it, you wasn't meant to have it. You ain't, you don't get it. How many phone numbers you had in the last 20 years? 20 1:00:38 You ever had a big argument about a song you've written about somebody and they know it's about them? I haven't 1:00:46 had a big argument, but this next album. You might have to, oh shit. You might have 1. I might have 1:00:54 1. I went through all skeletons in every closet, every song, every emotion that I just wrote. 1:01:02 So it's a song on there that's kind of like to the past. Like when I met my wife and we clocked in, I 1:01:11 really didn't look back, you know what I mean? But. So the other ones that you was cool with they got hit 1:01:19 with Stop crashed and burnt. I'm so toxic every time somebody say skeletons 1:01:28 in my closet It's so wild. What you kickin' me? Stop! That's based on yours, the skeletons. Some freaky shit. I'm 1:01:36 like, ooh, I feel, oh shit. I got some PG, PG skeletons, gang. We gotta say that. I feel like we gotta make the distinction. 1:01:44 Holy shit. No, I think I just been like just the past you know like exes last relationship I was just out of there you know what I mean so I got 1:01:52 this song called closure that I think a lot of people Gonna be able to relate to but at the same time is like oh, that's how you You could at least 1:02:02 My My thing is I could write it in a song better than I could say it. You ever get in trouble for writing something from your wife? Writing something about her? No, 1:02:11 no, writing something that might have nothing to do with her. And now she mad at you. She ain't like that shit. She ain't like that shit. Girl, I was watching her in the movie. I got a real 1:02:19 secure wife. She been in the game before me, so she be chilling. She low-key be encouraging me to strike while I'm at home. That's fine. That's fine. 1:02:27 Like a second manager, second label, that's everything. A wife-ager. Yeah. Wife-ager with her. That's kind of fine. That's super fine. What 1:02:35 happened with a? Wait, real quick, because you said close. Do you think that you need someone else to get closure? No, 1:02:45 I think closure is important not only for the, just for both partners. It's important to move on because if you like leave that door open, the door is left 1:02:53 open and I'm liking to slam in the doors energy for clarity and at this space in my life. You just gotta let them know like, yo, this is, it 1:03:01 didn't work. I love you, appreciate you, and we gotta move on. But in my case, it was like, let's take a break. That's how stalkers be born in my case. 1:03:10 How what? That's how stalkers be born. I've only ever done that 1 time. You have or you haven't? I've only ever done it 1 time. So you normally like yo let's take a break and ease out of 1:03:18 there? No I just pew. No the 1 time pew. Wait that's what I'm saying. It 1:03:27 needed a song. Yeah the 1 time I did that shit. Don't do it again. It's the worst 1:03:35 1 guy for Matt. Yo but yeah. It was tough. I was, I don't know if people really do that. I call some people immature too. Yo, it's just 1:03:43 not, you know what I'm saying? We just different foundational principles. You're great. It's me, not you, right? No, you're great. We just not compatible. You gotta 1:03:51 say that. I gave the whole speech, bro. How deep was you with this person? A puddle. 1:04:00 Ah, no, that'll get out of control. As deep as you can go. Oh, shit. Yo, yo, yo. Yo, yo, 1:04:08 yo. Why you do that with company? Yo, yo, yo. It's mad women over here. Why you do that, yo? Yeah, it's always meat checking, yo. This 1:04:16 nigga is the butcher. That nigga said you were like this. That nigga's the butcher. He trying to play you. Watch him up. Watch him up. I'm sorry. I'm 1:04:24 sorry. I had to get him back. He said some shit that was funny on the main. Fuck that. He went crazy. Oh, There's a lot of events now. R&B driven events. 1:04:32 Son of a bag. That's popping right now. You had a fire. Lead the way. Hold on, you had a fire event in LA that you was doing for a minute. You regret 1:04:41 stopping at? Oh, the George Hughes. Malibu Nights. Yeah. No. That shit was rocking. R&B night. That shit was rocking. We had 1:04:49 the R&B night before it was the thing. We was having people come perform. Kelz came through, Floyd came through, Keyshia Cole, Neo, 1:04:57 T-Pain, lot of, man, had so many people come through and sing and I think at the time it was like it was it was fire and then I did a 1:05:05 I took it on the road I did like a Malibu Nights tour and I did in every city. Yo your event fucked up my relationship. It 1:05:14 was an event right? It was your event. And the events that followed. What? Right. What did you talk about? What happened? My, my, 1:05:23 my man was playing. Who's, who's the dude that was doing the drum? No, no, no, no, no. We ain't telling you no names yet. What happened? What he did. He was on the road 1:05:32 with them. They worked together. Don't try to get information from our guest. He was doing the drumming or the percussion part. 1:05:44 So him and My boy Ronnie invited me out to come there. I had just moved out there with my ex. Well, she's my ex now. It's 1:05:53 my first time going outside. Before that, I didn't go outside. I didn't go to a club. I didn't go to an event. My boy Ronnie was like, yo, come check this out Eric 1:06:02 got a joint Malibu nights, so I get in the uber You beat on the congo. I get in the uber bag in the uber share on some like 1:06:10 cheap shit But when I get in the uber share I get a share with We share with some shit. 1:06:19 And guess where she going? Malibu Nights. And guess how many we had. What a coincidence. Good old Malibu Nights. What a coincidence. So how does he been 1:06:27 ruined? Because I was supposed to, because if he had a shit, I would have went out of business. You know what I like about you? You try to keep your mess up with your lies. Like, nigga, 1:06:35 that's a fact. Yo, the money lies be different. And you want to spend another $17, you would have had your own Uber, nigga. I'm talking 1:06:43 to my man Ronnie and tell you. Can you call the girl that got an Uber share? There you go. Oh, we're not cool no more. But I could. But at 1 point, you could call her. I 1:06:51 could verify, yeah. She wasn't supposed to be going? No, she was going. He wasn't supposed to be going. He wasn't supposed to be going. We just ended up in the same Uber share 1:06:59 going to the same shit. And exchanged her phone numbers by mistake. But you could have just rolled there and mind your business Joyce used to be 1:07:07 a dead shot It was a baddie Fuck all that And he got a queen Yeah, I kind of put that 1 Damn the baddies be the uber 1:07:16 shit Yo LA niggas is broke. Niggas is broke out there. That shit look fly. Not everybody. Not everybody, 1:07:24 but I'm just saying. Well, no, you know what? The LA niggas ought to get to the money, because either you got some shit going on, you got a hustle. It's your transplants that went out there struggling. It's the 1:07:32 transplants that make LA feel different from what it really is. That's what it is. And a lot of them to get right. Like, you know, I'm going to act the word. 1:07:40 Uber sharing. What rest of us do work at, B? Yo, that's crazy. Yeah, nah, that's 1:07:48 it. So nah, I'm saying you don't have any aspirations to start that back up seeing how all of us Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I for sure would love to do that. The LA 1:07:56 nightlife is like, when it's up, it really go crazy. It just be going through dry spells, but I think I'm with it I'm with 1:08:04 it You know I mean bringing a night back because when the people come even all they need is like 100 people and it's gonna Feel like a reunion and when LA is good. It's really good Right 1:08:14 crowd Malibu nights we had all the lights in there. We had the palm trees. Nah, it was nice. Yeah, 1:08:22 it was the trees. It was some good shit in there, boy. Yes, sir. I'm telling you, Eric Belanger had 1:08:30 a run that's like cemented in time. It's like it should be a time capsule, 1:08:40 honestly. That 2016, 2017. The lights used to be out in the parties. Like low lights and good music. Yeah. 1:08:49 Good R&B music. Good R&B, man. It's back though, it's the time. I think right now people paying so much attention to R&B and loving it. And 1:08:57 I was like, nah, y'all not about to get it off without me. When is the project coming? This 1:09:06 summer. Next summer, next single should be out within a week or 2. And then after that, it's album time. 1:09:16 So, well mid summer. Could you say you're dropping the next single on Father's Day. Like August or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we got a song called Closure 1:09:24 coming and then we got Father's Day by Father's Day. So by then, it'll be time. And you're on the road now? Yep, on the road now. Just did 1:09:32 Sony Hall the other night out here in Nashville tomorrow. And then ATM. It was 1:09:43 hard for me to live in. Yeah. Since we took a shot at love Happiness 1:09:51 has no end Look at this thing, a serious ass picture on the artwork What 1:09:59 the fuck you think it is? Niggas, crash Feel it though Thank you Letting you see my truth 1:10:08 The moment I knew Niggas Niggas fresh Feel it all Thank you Here we go Cause when I'm crying, 1:10:17 it's fine, I mean I saw you still moving, but I feel safe with you 1:10:26 So I cry, cry Change 1:10:35 your mind, you won't find me Cry He bugged out He got some changes in it, yeah Yeah, nah, he fucked down on this shit Yeah, yeah, key change Love I can't bend to you Nothing 1:10:47 like that in my kind They never do what to do Then 1:10:55 there was you Never once had I ever thought about And that was you Let 1:11:04 you see my truth The moment I knew I love it I ain't gonna lie, 1:11:12 this is your best single in a while. This is your best single in a while. Thank you. It's just... That is very funny. Mature. Sheesh. 1:11:21 Musical. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, 1:11:30 when I lose you, I find Oh, when I cry in 1:11:38 front of you I see the truth, that I can't take with you So 1:11:48 I cry, cry I can't think of you So I cry Cry Feel like rain 1:11:58 When they fallin' Cryin' in front of 1:12:06 you Ain't no shame, ain't no shame I'm falling, falling in front 1:12:17 of you The tears, they smoke your color Every drop of your color Thank you who produced that? Oak. 1:12:26 That is a fucking record, boy. That's art. That was crazy. And that don't sound like nothing is out. No. Mm-hmm. Yeah, 1:12:34 that's the arm beta That's arm be a sure and it's R&B. That's R&B. Yes, sir Eric well Our 1:12:43 doors always open. Thank you. I wish you nothing but success On top of your already having success. 1:12:52 Thank you. I love this fucking R&B look Man we didn't get a t-shirt with your face on I 1:13:00 would wear Is there anything that we need to ask you that we haven't asked 1:13:08 you? Like, do you have an internet story circling that I'm going to learn about after you leave? It ain't nothing, man. Nah, it's just that's 1:13:16 it. It's always just a chill vibe. Yeah, you're not, you're not. You're not gonna. We said it. We said it. I appreciate you just being a real woman. You 1:13:24 know what I'm saying? Hey yeah, just hit me up. I mean, you're in town, you can come through. That's it? I said, Joe, I'm coming through. He said, let's lock it in. So thank you for that. Always, you know what I'm saying? 1:13:33 10, 12 plus years just locked in. You know what time it is, man. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, y'all. Please put your hands together. Eric Bellinger. 1:13:41 Yee! Whoo! Don't touch that dial. Be right back. We don't need that. Let them do that. Let's 1:13:49 show the slackers. Yo, we're here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, you be in your bag when the guests come. That's your new thing. I see what you're doing. 1:13:59 What I'm doing? You in your bag. I'm working. When you come in the 3, when they hit it, the guy go like, you come on top, too. I was downstairs, I said, ooh, 1:14:07 we're at 3. You got some shit up your sleeve, boy. Checking that re-up? That boy's coming, that boy's coming. You checking that re-up, right? Your car check coming up? I know that shit. 1:14:15 I used to do that, too. I used to do that, too. Oh, you're reading it wrong. Oh, you read it up already? That ain't for the Imani Joe Budden 1:14:23 network. Oh, that's for his All Eyes on E. I think that boy be trying to get back in the writing rooms. Ooh, yeah, you do good. I know 1:14:32 my boy be just, nah, I'm probably way off base. You very well. You do amazing. I love it. I do. You do amazing work with 1:14:40 so happen to call you afterward. Like, yo, If you don't mind working on some shit, would you come out here and 1:14:48 join us? Join the writing team. You would say no. To join a writing team? No. You would say no? You wouldn't say 1:14:56 no. No, no, no, don't trick me into what I'm saying, nigga. Not for you to be a part of a writing team, but to come 1:15:06 join writers that are there already and work on some joining. Let's cook. Not be a part of a writing team. Come out and cook. Yeah. No. 1:15:16 Come on, you are a fucking live track. Okay, so Joe, I'm working on music now, right? I'm working on music. 1:15:24 I'm not writing any of it. I'm not producing any of it. I've given 1 person the opportunity to create the music and just let me come into the studio 1:15:32 and just sing. That's where I'm at if I'm going to do music at this point. But I'm not. No, I have somebody that I trust to create the music that I know 1:15:40 I'm going to enjoy. So they write it all. I'm not going into a studio to try. I understand what you're saying. I feel you on that. If Jada Kingdom's manager 1:15:49 called. What the fuck is he talking? If Jada Kingdom's manager called. Shansia, right? Oh, yeah, 1:15:57 now you're in Pardland with me now. I'll write something for Shansia. If Shansia said, yo, I got a couple of my writers in 1:16:06 Jamaica. I can help. We out here for a few weeks. Big fan of your work. Oh, you can write too? Would you be able to come down to Jamaica and 1:16:14 help us cook? Yeah, for sure. Thank you. Yeah, all right. We'll need you out here for a couple weeks, though. Hold on. I'll see. I'll ask if I can take over. 1:16:22 You got it? Yeah. We'll see. You want a Jamaican or Cook? Don't let them fool ya. Jerk. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. This 1:16:33 nigga said I'm going out there to cook jerk. This nigga's so shit. He's a fucking jerk. He's been looking at shit and seeing her feet the 1:16:41 whole time. Not jerks. She got pretty feet. Yo, look at his eyes, yo. She 1:16:50 got pretty feet. I know that. My boy is out there. He don't know Shin See Ya, I wouldn't be smart. He already bent people's feet. You 1:16:58 went to school with Shin See Ya? Now you're lying, she was in Jamaica, nigga. You went to school with her? I went to Shin See Ya, I wouldn't be smart. You did go. I thought he was in Jamaica with her, my fault. Wait, what 1:17:06 did he just say? Hold up. He just unlocked some old new chains. They just slidin' the shit out of you nigga. You don't know since he a boy I went to a party 1:17:15 said Cory they see talk to you No That's 1:17:23 your man, okay, so He said, did she talk to you? Did she talk to you? That's no. You got to say yes or no. Hey, watch your fucking mouth. That's your man, yo. Okay, so, and y'all are ancient because y'all 1:17:32 gonna leave me to do it. I can't let it go though No, we let it go. I can't let it go Yeah, 1:17:42 he came in the night after like whatever right after and told us about it on the pod. Yeah, he did. How did he get there? Did he tell us? Somebody invited him. He probably did. He got invited. 1:17:51 Who invited him, Ish? My lawyer. Oh. Don't let them fool you. Did you speak to him? Did you speak to 1:18:00 him? He did? What'd you say to her? Who intro'd you? Who introduced you? My lawyer. Hi, this is Antoine. What was the intro? It's 1:18:08 for the job. It's from a job, but in pocket. Why do you look at your lips to be? Wait, wait, wait. When the 1:18:17 Lord of War. He's looking at his lips at me like, this is from my number 1. You know what I'm saying? God damn. Yeah. He's painting his picture for you. Nah, that is how to intro work. That's how it 1:18:25 works. Wait. No. No. You introduced that as Antwano Ish. Which 1 you did? Ish. Ish 1:18:33 from the construction site or Ish from the podcast? Yo, put your tongue away. This thing is out. That shit should be wagging. Not 1:18:41 that shit, your tongue. Yeah. I know. This thing is whacking at you. Yo, Ish. Did you hug 1:18:49 her or did you shake her hand? Bro, could we go with this 1? Ish, we trying to have fun? No, yo, I wanna have fun. I don't remember. If you don't remember, it's gonna force 1:18:57 me to lie. It's gonna force me to make up how it went. We got to remember for you. That's all you do. That nigga was intro to that Shin Seah. I know 1:19:05 how my boy act when he thirsty for the intro too. I'm asking Ish. It was dark. Was you standing by her table for 2 hours before she introduced herself? Was 1:19:14 you seated in her area? Did you have to take a long walk to get to where she was? So you was by the stage like a fan? It was the studio. He 1:19:22 going to paint this n***a out. I asked him to try to give it to me. I gave him a chance to tell the truth, right? He was by the... I know 1:19:30 that trick. Yo, make sure you introduce me to that boy. Did you tell her you had a girl? Yo, boy. We ain't get that from her. Probably never came up. If he ain't told 1:19:39 her like that. It probably wasn't a long talk. It's just a high vibe. We know how the industry high vibes go, boy. Don't try the biggest, the bottom lowest. Did you exchange like Instagrams or something? 1:19:47 Was it a long talk like that? No Do you follow her on Instagram? Yes, I don't think so It's 1:19:59 only 1 way to be sure you know, it's got a bad memory. What's your name? That's Here you go looking stupid. Let's see. All 1:20:07 right following. Come on Wi-Fi I'm already on her page. Let me take a look Oh, 1:20:15 no, you don't follow any excuse She dubbed him. No, she dubbed him He unfollowed that shit fast Oh, 1:20:25 man, you know, I was nuts insane Well, the album release parties you went to that I don't know bro. I need to know. Bro, 1:20:33 get out of here, man. Corley Ray shit. Yo, Joe Lee, I'm on. It was. Yo, I gotta start asking 1:20:41 questions. I don't even remember he was that sincere shit. Corley Ray, he was like a grandpa to you. Glorilla. Ice 1:20:50 Bites. You went to Glorilla album release? Ice Bites. Yes, you did. You went to Glorilla shit? You've been to some other 1:20:59 That don't count. That's Big Jersey. You didn't go to Glorilla shit? Y'all bumped into it. I'm just letting you lie. I'm 1:21:07 just looking at you. No, I forgot. I didn't even know that. Wait, you really went to his shit? Yeah. I'm just letting them lie like these niggas. How was it? It was not. Yo, 1:21:15 wait. We not talking about this shit. These niggas is... Y'all both went to Glorilla shit? Like fans. How was the time you was bringing up the niggas in, nigga? 1:21:23 Fan boys. Not like fans. As fans. As fans. They went as fans. Did Glorilla speak to y'all? There's nothing wrong with that. Did Glorilla speak to y'all? 1:21:31 She ain't speak to me. She spoke to you? Yeah, that's ice-bottoms. I can't hear nothing you saying over there. What you said? He didn't say nothing. I didn't say nothing. He just nodded. Did Gloria speak to 1:21:39 you? Yes. What did she say? Just hi. It was just an introduction. She just said hi. Not even hello. Just hi. The shortest version. Yeah, 1:21:48 real short. Real short. God damn. Was she moving when she said it? No. Was she standing still? No, she was standing still. But she was standing still. 1:21:56 She was getting it. A walk through? Yeah, yeah. That's a little walk through. What'd you say? Hi. No, you didn't. Nah, that's where you're lying. You 1:22:05 said, yo, dog, I got all your music. I'm a huge fan. You signed my t-shirt. Yeah, all that. Free turn into a 1:22:13 group? Because his Shin Seiya is your Glorilla and Bro-rilla. Wait, wait. I'm all right. You like Bro-rilla too? Glowrilla 1:22:21 and Bro-rilla. Relax, nigga. Hey, yo, I told you, man. I told you. I used to fuck this shit out of Bro-rilla. It's just in the studs with the pretty feet page, 1:22:29 E. The studs with the sexy feet, itches like a big... Why do you know that page? I swear. Wait, 1:22:38 what's the page? It's a stud with pretty ass feet, boy. No, it's not. I swear. Why 1:22:47 you don't take a picture of this stuff? Because I'm so shocked in the moment. This nigga is thirsty. Sexy. Stud walkers. 1:22:57 Watch, you're going to see I'm a sexy nigga. Let me look. That's my boy though. That's my man pretty feet. You don't know what is on Like you know, 1:23:17 I love pretty I don't know if you like it like he. No, not like him. Not like him. No, you masturbate to it. I don't do that. I don't do that, neither. Oh, you used to? No, nigga. Ooh, 1:23:25 we got the Fifi. You got the Fifi in the crib, don't you? The feet feet? You got the feet feet? The feet feet? The feet feet? The feet feet? 1:23:34 The feet feet? I got toes in the ass. No, this shit is the feet feet. I like that, bro. Feet on the feet feet with the sharpie. 1:23:51 He was talking about, I got a snitch on him. He was talking about, yo, he want to see how girls, there's so much of a makeup topic. He said, we got to see 1:23:59 how, I got to see how E look without the Beijing. Just see how. Wait, who said that? Yo, you are a rat, yo. Oh, you 1:24:07 said that? No. Oh, you said that. You're the nigga. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What did you say? He said he's gonna take you to the pool. Look 1:24:15 what I'm Beijing Wait who said that you are right? Oh you said that I did 1:24:23 not say I wanted to go to the pool with you. That's not true, yo. I want to hit the sauna. Look at the park. This is not true, though. No, I didn't say that. Yo. 1:24:32 I guess I'd say a piece of it. Let's hit the sauna. Let's hit the sauna, bro. The topic's right there. Paul Pierce apparently said that. Yo, this nigga's really light. If 1:24:40 you see a woman, like some men should break up with women who have a lot of makeup on, because when the makeup comes off, they look like a completely different 1:24:49 person. That was the topic. This nigga said, I gotta see Imani without the Beijing. That's not what I said. You see me without the Beijing. What did you 1:24:57 say? I said, there's guys doing mad beauty enhancements too, and that's what I said. A nigga spraying to 1:25:05 fill out a hairline is not Thank you. That is 100% a beauty. It's not mad shit. No, no, no, that's a beauty enhancement. Yeah, of course. So you think it makes him look more handsome? That's 1:25:13 a beauty enhancement. Take it off, let me see. No. Oh yeah, shit, I don't know. No, I'm just saying. See, he ain't taking it off for you, Paul. What you mean, taking it off? Because I am, 1:25:21 I will take it off. But when he walk around with just his hair and that shit on, he is. He looks different. He's swaggy. He look, yeah, he looks 1:25:29 swaggy coming in the spot. But now I'm picturing it when he come in. Like a Batman sign? And the lights is in. 1:25:38 I don't know if he's grabbing the mic and singing Superstar and all that. I walk swaggy in the spot with a hat on. No. So my swaggy 1:25:46 don't go away. No, you're missing the hat is fine. You just saying it's a real. It's basically a hat. We, yeah, we swaggy with hats. We swaggy with. 1:25:54 What you saying is a different level of. When we gotta be our fucking shit. Our best. It's like when I got my fucking 3 day growth or some shit right there, 1:26:02 and I'm walking in a spot. Yeah, nah, hell no. It's a different bop. Yeah, it's just a little different bop. Can we big you up now? Like, are you still on your shit where you don't want to be big enough? 1:26:10 That nigga got the elevated Zara board. Just be in that nigga's, that nigga's shit. Look, he got the luxury Zara shit. What, you see? You had the flag shit. 1:26:19 This not Zara. It don't matter. Funny enough, this is some- What's the biggest that be in the front? This some bullshit. This 1:26:28 not bullshit. Nah, you killing that shit. Body in it. This is like a Uni Glo. You get a new AP shit, the AP collab, you getting it? Yo, so we did all that shit. We did all that about the AP 1:26:36 swatch. It's a fucking pocket watch. And now the pictures are out. It's nothing but a pocket watch, which I still think niggas are still going to find a band. I'm sure. They're going to put a band on it. But it's not 1:26:44 the same band. They're going to put a band on it. It's not the same. That's the test run. Yeah, they'll probably come out with a band. That shit niggas is going to make $7 zillion selling that shit. Y'all will get that? Y'all will get the 1:26:52 AP swatch? When it was a, when we didn't know it was a pocket watch And it was a wristwatch Yes, okay mad of them Mad 1:27:00 of them reset. I'm passing. It's just I like future nigga. She was like 500 right 3 to 5 3 to 5 retail Yo, 1:27:10 these motherfucking, anybody with a crib around the fucking MetLife in New Jersey. It's 1:27:19 about to be. Oh my God. I know about to be. It's gone already. They making all of the money. My man ready. Airbnb and them shit. My man got 30 what 1:27:27 for a month? Yeah. The prices is like that. Oh, you talk about the, what's it? World Cup? World Cup. Yeah. That's different money, boy. And 1:27:35 I helped pick out a jersey shit for the New Jersey team. You helped pick out a jersey for what? The New Jersey team. Oh really? Yeah. That's 1:27:44 no small feat, how did that happen? 1 of my people said. Asked me to call. And asked me if I wanted to be a judge. For the World Cup? 1:27:52 You had to pick out 3 judges. You're going too far now, boy. This shit got you to the World Cup. This podcast got you to the World Cup. 1:28:01 You're going too far now. Now You popping, you way popping to me. He went, yeah, yo, you the king. He bound, nigga. He about 1:28:09 to be a judge. Hold on, at the World Cup? They're going to be up there, and that's that ish? Yo, What do you judge? What is it a 1:28:17 judge? Wait, that is just doing the World Cup jersey? That's hard. That's hard. That would be killing shit. We killing shit now. Man, if that 1:28:25 happened, I need a piece, yo. Hey, yo, let me ask you a question. I want to get you a business. I was thinking about this. Yes, you do. The person that made that logo, like, you be breaking them 1:28:33 off? That came up with the idea, like, you break them off or not? Breaking them off with what? You made the logo, right? A pound. Nah, I'm actually... Salute. Because it's just a solid 1:28:41 nigga. He said you're any type any type of contribution. He said thank you before Cuz this shit work from home, there was a different H 1:28:49 that was involved. Oh, shit. All right, think about it. Work for hire, I believe is probably what, if I had 1:28:57 to guess. He was probably paid. I like it. I bought 3 shirts. I didn't do it, but it's cool. I'll give you my address. Boy, you 1:29:05 didn't get my address. And this other road worked for Hire, by the way. Oh, man. At all. Oh, man. That was funny. The 1:29:14 Rage album, I forgot the photographer that I was using. Little fine girl. She was a sweetheart. But 1:29:23 when the album came out, her conversation was on some, well how am I compensated for each 1:29:31 album that you sell? Because I did the album cover. And she didn't understand that whole work for 1:29:39 hire. Oh, I paid you, you were paid already. And now I do what I want with it. But in art world it does go different. Really? 1:29:48 In the art world, it is different. What do you mean? If you can't agree to it, yeah. Right, yeah. You can't sell nothing else with it. Yeah. I don't understand what they're doing. But if you bought it for this reason, 1:29:56 you can't do that. You can't take the picture and put it on a T-shirt without dipping it in. That was the whole cam with the pink phone shit. Yeah, I thought that the person who took 1:30:04 the picture owns the picture, right? Yes. Unless you bought it. Unless you buy it from them. You know what's crazy? Johnny Nunez just had a really good conversation about this, about who ends 1:30:12 up owning the negatives of when you do photography and shit. So you might commission him to do some shit but technically he owns those images 1:30:20 depending on what the paperwork so same shit with this like if you go ahead and you work it out on your paperwork you should be speaking to Johnny 1:30:29 every time I see him out yeah well next time you speak to him ask him if I can see any of the pictures I'm in in the last 35 years. You 1:30:37 ain't seen none of them shit yet? He speak to Johnny all the time. And he got the nerve to hashtag. Yo, take my picture, bro. Johnny got all the pics. Nigga, we know. We know 1:30:46 you got all the pictures. Wait, what y'all laughing at? I said he speaks to Johnny all the time. Yo, take my picture please. Right here. Oh shit. 1:30:55 He takes a fire picture too. He takes good pictures. You think Johnny got Amani pictures? 100%. He definitely does. 1:31:03 I was asking for you. Ask him if he got pictures of him. Yes, he does. See, he didn't even, that was me. He didn't even shoot. I'm shooting at whoever. 1:31:11 He ain't playing. He doesn't want to shoot at me. No, I want to shoot at everybody. Why, what's his beef with you? I don't know. I forgot a name Yeah, 1:31:31 I'm taking that name out, oh all right, I can't believe all y'all The house all of us did 1:31:40 yo all y'all do 1:31:49 that in the house. That sounds absolutely nuts. That's like opening the door again with police. Y'all fucked a lot of the same joints, though. No, that's not true. That's not true. 1:31:58 It's definitely not true. Who fucked them? Well, like 3. Who you share joints with? 2 that I know of. E, who you share joints with the most in this room Nobody the 1:32:06 most nobody like that. I mean if it's 2 with him it has to be This to with him then they I'm probably saying the question wrong because 1:32:14 it's very possible that I know you're right No, it's very possible to have had sex with with women that have had sex with y'all before. 1:32:23 So I said, who are you aware of? That's what he's saying. Yeah, who in here would you say, yo, me and you could say, I'm aware of your shit. I'm aware of all of it. 1:32:32 Oh, he don't know nothing. He don't know. We got his work lined up. Hey, he don't know nothing. They 1:32:40 be holding it down. Oh 1:32:48 you don't know. Your guns is handed down. Oh you don't know. We put you where you can't be found. Oh, you don't know. Yo, I keep good secrets, man. 1:32:59 Yo, why we always become immature when the guests leave? I keep good secrets, that's all I'm saying. I do. I think I'm good at holding shit down. When 1:33:07 it come to women. Yeah. I like to preserve their innocence no matter what, even if I'm I'm 1:33:16 just listening. Get your shit off me. He's just talking to you. Yeah, you in your bag. Go ahead. Is it his Shakespearean? Preserve their innocence. By the time they 1:33:24 get to you, they ain't so innocent no more. Oh shit. That's the funny thing. That's the funny thing. Niggas think they get to me 1:33:32 last. I've been there already. Well, that's not what I was saying. I was just saying they're not innocent. I 1:33:41 just kept my mouth shut about it. They do wow, they get to me laughs Fuck single 1:33:50 girls, you'll stop Fuck single girls It's a favorite topic. Oh, he's a favorite topic. Who favorite? I don't do that, y'all do that. Yo, fuck single girls, yo, stop. He don't have to, he's in a committed relationship. We're not talking about now, but fuck single girls. You think yours fucking single 1:33:58 girls? Yo, he's, mmm. Do I think what? Do I think what? You a fucking single girls. To my knowledge. That's 1:34:06 not what I asked you. Do you think? Nigga you almost got us killed fucking other niggas bitches. She was for everybody. You was going 1:34:14 to move her in. That's not true stop. Yes, you want that's not I got the 1:34:23 Right now, oh that's that'll prove my You think I'm gonna be single all-winner you out your mind 1:34:33 is that don't mean nobody in that don't mean move somebody that was my own you 1:34:43 ain't gonna know yo over here at the A&P uh-huh 1:34:52 this nigga spill beans boy god damn. Yo that nigga was what? He was on that thing. I used to catch you in the A&P. He was on that thing. But that's back when niggas 1:35:00 still did see cuz you you wasn't ever on it in there so you don't know but that's when niggas played into the cuffing season thing like when the end 1:35:08 of summer was coming in fall niggas be like yep that's what I'm the cuff something up yeah that's the way the whole I'm not gonna be single through the 1:35:16 winter thing come from. That mean we going to find something, take them to pound town through the winter time, and then shake 1:35:25 them loose. By February, March. And then shake them loose, shake them loose. I was surprised to hear today you said that you'd be out. Did you say that? Sometimes you get in a situation, 1:35:33 like you're the ghost, right? You've ghosted a lot of women. I was extremely surprised when you say that. But I haven't had a bunch of... Partners. 1:35:42 Oh, no, not partners. No, you. I got you. Oh, my bad. No, like, if most of the girls that I've dealt with 1:35:50 in my life, I mean, Sans are very, very, very small for you. I'm saying, Sans. Oh. 1:35:59 Without, with the exception of Midas. I got to understand. Like the beach. I got you. I thought you said Sans, but I got you. I got you. Like the beach. I got you. I thought you said sand, but I got you. I got you. Stop. Look, 1:36:07 excluding a very small few. Hey, bro, don't break it down anymore. Insulting me. I got it. A very small few. You know, I'll 1:36:18 stop fucking with them on good terms. There's only a very small- So you didn't have to ghost that man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just didn't pan out or the fizzle out, whatever the case may 1:36:26 be. You wanted to be relatable to the artist that was here? No, the times that- Because he was saying that earlier that you do that. The times that I- Wait, what'd I be saying? Why'd you put me in? What'd I say? It's so chill. Wait, what 1:36:34 did I say? I don't know. He said earlier that when all this is up here, you be... Take that. Listen, I'm just... It's a callback, but go ahead. Why you always got a callback? That's a fact. 1:36:42 Make your own shit up, nigga. That's a fact. That's what I mean? I got you. Be the originator. I am. Be the originator. Nigga, I taught you. What you 1:36:50 taught ish? I taught you how to be you. What you taught ish? I taught you how to talk in this shit. I taught you how to sit up. I taught you how to fix your posture. I taught you how to be confident. All of that 1:36:58 shit is still fucked up. So what you taught me? No, it's not. What are you talking about? You're sitting in my chair, Gar. Huh? You're sitting in my chair. Yeah, yo, I didn't 1:37:06 know you when I started this podcast. And it's a big difference between O.H. And O.H. I was 2 years in. It's a big difference between O.H. And O.H. O.H. Was fine, but it's a big difference now. It's 1:37:14 not. It's all right, though. Give me a pair of boots. Yeah, you taught me. Thank you. You got bad posture, you gonna tell me about mine. It's alright though, I got you. It is a 1:37:22 difference in you now that you're all a Flish. Since y'all formed Flish. That's a disgusting name. That's the worst 1:37:31 name ever for a duo. It is. It is. But you think you had a lot of influence on Isha's all, pardon? Or just, 1:37:39 no. Come on, you told me to the great 1. Of course I did. You definitely had a lot of influence on me. I learned a lot from Flip. That's a fact. I learned a lot from y'all. 1:37:47 I learned a lot from all y'all. Me too. Well, we can move on from that, because you ain't going to do that stupid shit. I'm going to get tight. So what? I'm serious. I'm not 1:37:55 joking, either. I don't know why every time I try to really give you specifically props, you think that I'm on bullshit. Especially when you have that hat on. They just 1:38:03 speak bullshit. Why you with that? Why you even go put that on? I don't get it. How you just That's what you picked up. Yeah. 1:38:13 Oh, pardon. I tried to find, I thought I had my red scully nearby, but I didn't I couldn't find it and my head is cold 1:38:21 pause So I came back look like a few We 1:38:34 had a no Joe? You're not supposed to buy them when you're not that old yet, yo. Where we heading? Where the shit heading, yo? What you mean? I got this. 1:38:42 Where we heading? Like, what's going on? You know, things are looking good, man. You know, you're being more vocal. You're sharing things with the audience, you know what I'm saying? What 1:38:50 about share? Just things, screenshots. So, like, we're, like... I haven't shared any screenshots since the last time I did that. And that was a 1:38:58 little while ago. And you brought this up after I did that, so... By the gauge of details. And we can move on, you know what I'm saying? I do 1:39:06 want to respect your privacy, you understand? It just feels so good to be a part of such a great machine. I just want to know. Oh, some money talks coming 1:39:14 up. No, no, no, no, no. I promise you, no money talk. I promise on my kids. I just want to know like where are we heading as a conglomerate? Know 1:39:22 where you see us at, man, it feels good, man. Got an answer, Joe? Yo, what the fuck you talking about? I 1:39:31 don't see it. I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't see it. What the fuck is this? He said we growing, so like we're growing. Yeah, thank you, thank you. Like things are like, progressing. 1:39:40 Hopefully we continue to grow. Things are conglomerating. It has to be so vague that we continue to grow. What that reaction be going? Oh, we continue to go 1:39:48 straight? Just trying to improve upon what we've already built. That's a fact. Hopefully we can grow. What 1:39:57 -> 100:07.420] else would be? That's all I wanted to hear, champ. That's all I got, man. I mean, if everybody is still, you know. What