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We have a very special guest in the building who doesn't know any 1:05 jingles apparently You're the 1 supposed to help us out here I am literally observing I am very excited to 1:13 speak to this individual For many reasons 1 I don't know too much about Durant Bernard other than he's extremely 1:21 talented. I'm saying you're extremely talented. And honest, which is 1 of my favorite characteristics in somebody, but honored 1:30 to have you here. Ladies and gentlemen, please make some noise. Grammy winner. Grammy award winner. There we go. That's right. Say it right. Thank you. 1:38 It's like doctor. You got to put that shit in there. Absolutely. Absolutely. We doctors. DeRam Bernard in the building. What's up? 1:46 Thank you gentlemen. Thank you. And speaking of honesty, can 1 of you gentlemen hand me a napkin because he has some chipotle sauce right here. I'm 1:55 going like this, yo. It's all right. Thank you, Bida. I'm grass niggas, yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Listen. I ain't going to ever 2:04 Have you out here looking crazy while you're next I appreciate that absolutely Red be nice You go on graves, too 2:12 I'll do my face to you like I know don't All right What's poppin bro, 2:21 how we doing man, It's been a we're doing press week here in New York. So you like doing press? Be 2:29 honest. Well, it's kind of it's new to do it in this fashion, you know, cause it's a lot. You know, I'm 2:37 doing like daytime television now. I haven't been on daytime television before. So this is new, but also I've been in the business. 2:45 I've been around it. So it's also, I know the ins and outs of it. Second nature. Yeah. How long have you been in the business? My 2:56 first gig was as a production assistant for Earth, Wind, and Fire when I was 16. Oh, shit. 2005. 3:05 That was the year Rihanna dropped. That means, Pond to replay, combined, are you niggas a drink? That's fucked up. Yes, yes. All 3:13 of you are old. Word. Word. Yes. That is a long time. 2005. 2005. I remember 2005 like it was yesterday. 3:22 It was yesterday. That was a snowman summer. A long time ago. The snowman summer. That's what it was. 2005, shit. Was 3:30 that Katrina too? Katrina? Nah. That was earlier, I thought. 4? Maybe a bro that might be 3:39 Katrina I was 5 what it might be oh it was that's a 5 I'm thinking about Sandy Sandy was 09I think, but 3:47 Katrina probably was 04. Oh yeah, it was 04, 04, 04. 05, August 05. 12. 11. Sandy was 2012. So 3:55 you've been around for a good second. So you're comfortable. Yeah. You're comfortable. So when did you recognize that 4:03 you were immensely talented? Burr, go ahead. So I was like 8. So just to give you some context, 4:12 both of my parents are musicians. My dad played bass. My mom is a piano teacher. She also taught voice. She was teaching 4:20 for 20 years in Public schools teaching music in elementary schools before I came along so she had me when she was 41 She taught my 4:28 dad when he was in elementary school when he was 10. She was 22 at the time. Also, along with my other aunts, I mean, my uncles. Hold on, you 4:36 gotta slow down. You gotta slow down, you gotta slow down. You bucked me up a little bit. Your mother taught your father. Yes. So your mother's 12 years older than your father. 11, yes. 4:44 Had you when she was 41. She's 1947, he's 1958. Okay. So, she taught elementary 4:52 school. When he left class 1 day, he went to my uncle and said, when I grow up, I'm going to marry Miss Malvin. And did. 5:01 And did. There you go. Where you from again? Cleveland, Ohio. 44106. Bone Thugs Army. Yes, Bone Thugs grew up 5:09 on 99th, I grew up on 93rd. Shout out to Columbia. St. Clair. Okay, okay, go Cleveland. All right, so you was kind of just born with talent. It 5:17 was I was my parents invested in me they nourished nurtured and just allowed me 5:25 to express myself like I was in dance classes and acting classes martial arts. You was gonna be something. I mean, 5:34 skating, you know, it's just, I mean, we have a musical household, you know, so it's just everybody was doing something. My cousin is Yanni. He produced Say 5:42 I by Trey Sons and a slew of other records. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's been around. Oh, so this was just, 5:51 all right. It was destined to be. Yeah, music took me serious before I did. Sounded like they had some bread. Shout to parents nurturing. You said what happened? I said it sounded like they had some bread. 5:59 To some level, because in order to be able to just feed your, whatever your child want to do, feed into that, you got to have some level 6:08 of financial. Stability. Stability, yeah. I mean, middle class, but not like... They believed in him. Yeah. Yeah, teachers are known for being fabulous. Yeah, and I 6:16 was homeschooled, so, yeah. It don't seem like your thing is just a matter of being musically talented, though. Like, you 6:24 just seem very expressive in all forms of creativity. Like, whether it be writing, singing, performing. Fashion. Fashion, comedy, 6:33 You doing comedy now? It's like, you doing comedy? I just did my first stand up for Netflix as a joke. I did an hour. Oh, wow. My very first time. Oh, 6:41 you wanted to go. He's 1 of those Renesons. Thank you, Swiss Army. Thank you. Thank you. How'd it go? It 6:50 went amazing. Is it online? We can stream it? They didn't stream it, so I had it filmed, and then I'm going to take some clips and post 6:58 it. You wrote your set? Yeah, I have writers too, but the bulk of it, it was my stories. And so they just helped me add some beats and you know. Imagine 7:07 winning the Grammy and then saying, you know what I'm going to do? Stand up. I'm going to go do a stand up. But now imagine. And then say my first 1 is going to be 7:15 an hour stand up for Netflix. Yeah. Come on, dog. Yeah. I did 2 test runs before I did Netflix. Smaller 7:23 clubs? Yeah, 1 at Sunrose in Hollywood. I did an hour there. And then the second time I did it, I debuted at the Belly Room at the Comedy Store. 7:31 I did an hour and 24 minutes. Oh wow. I was literally creeping up on an hour, and I was like, wait, I gotta wrap this up. They was like, no, you can keep going. I was like, well, shit, all 7:39 right, I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. We ain't done yet. Shit, here we go. And yeah, So that was dope. So then I had to condense 7:48 it because there was some good shit that I was doing in there that I didn't do the first time. And so the Netflix special is a combination of both those. That is super impressive to not 7:56 only do it, but to not do the 15, 20 minutes. Yeah, You skipped a lot. There are veteran comics that don't got an hour and a half sets. They were telling 8:04 me that. And when I have comedians, anytime somebody is a professional in a field that 8:12 I'm interested in and they tell me, oh, you're a natural at this. Or I had Dion Cole cracking up like in 8:20 tears During our interview because I was practicing some of my bits in there as well. Yeah. Where did you leave Cleveland and? The 8:28 trucks it's probably hard to get it popping from Cleveland. No, no, no, no Cuz I came up in YouTube in the YouTube era. Ah, covers. 8:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was posting covers, doing reviews of things, you know, skits, all that stuff. And 8:46 then I put out a mixtape in 2009 of some studio covers that I posted and then of my original 8:54 music and then Eric Abadue discovered me. And 2010, 9:02 because I put out a mixtape dedicated to her called 8, The Steps on a Eric about it. You've been around. I think that's the most 9:11 impressive part is watching you do all these things, watching you rise to the point now and you still go back on the road and sing. Oh, yeah, 9:19 I still do background. Oh, really? And y'all brought up Teager earlier. She was I was in D.C. Because she's on the Floor 9:27 Tree tour and I did background for her. She thought I was just going to come out and do a song with her. I was like, nah, girl, send me the set list. So imagine we 9:35 just had the conversation with Eric about would you go on the road and do backs for us and the Chris shit, but it's a different situation. This nigga just came off of a Grammy win. I feel like I'm such a fool. 9:43 How did I not know he was this talented? Nigga, we, I mean. It's okay, You've brought me up. Like you heard a 9:52 song or something like that, but like you just needed to see me. Like once you see me, it's like... Yeah, you got good energy. 10:00 You seem like a good people person too. Like you walked in like, yo, we ain't gonna be arguing about no oxtails. Okay. No, no, no, you good. 10:08 No, you good, dawg. I bet your party got this man turned red. We weren't on our best behavior. You saw that. Oh my God. No, you only posted 10:16 at 7.30 the next morning. Matter of fact, it was that day. It was that day. Nah, that day, you got it all. Right to 1000000. Right to 1000000. Dollars, right? 10:24 No, views. Views. Oh, he want a piece. I know he do it. Oh, I wonder if, hey, I never thought about that, but we got to guess. We'll talk about that. You 10:32 know what's wrong? I never thought about that. You know my man want a piece? Wait, you don't think my man want a piece? This nigga full of shit. Yo, he's full of monkey shit. It's not because we went viral 10:40 with no accents. Wait, if I go, if we go viral off a clip I post and you in it, you, 10:49 when you go home, think I should pay you for that No, I don't. Oh, yeah, I don't think he thinks I don't do a lot of this nigga I don't think he should pay me. I don't think you should pay me. He owns the 10:57 content. All right That's peace what I will say is Acknowledgement is cool. You ain't got to pay me. Listen to the context, please. We'll talk. We'll talk. Let's talk after 11:05 our guest. You won't. You're too cheap after our guest. So wait, you say you came up in the YouTube era, but O5 YouTube ain't out. No, no, no. So you, 11:13 when you working the Earth Wind to Fire shit. Yeah. That was, and that was, I got that gig because of my dad. You know, because he 11:21 was working, that was 1 of his main clientels. But he's worked with everybody from Spice Girls. You say he plays the bass? No, no, he, well he does 11:29 play the bass, but He was on tour, he was working monitors. So he was kind of in the house. Front of house, yeah. He was doing, he was an audio engineer. So your story never really, 11:38 nowhere in your brain in your story would you have had to venture out into Cleveland with no help and just by yourself hoping to 11:46 get a deal. That wasn't gonna be your story. No, I had, I mean granted I was making my way around the city, you know, going to different jam sessions, poetry 11:54 nights, you know, things like that. But I had the internet, so I was getting a broader reach. So by the time I moved 12:02 to LA in December of 2014, I had been with Baadu like 12:11 3 and a half years by that time. So I was already in the things, in the conversation with people. Yeah, by the time I moved out there, my first month 12:20 in LA, I'm in a rehearsal with Beyonce. Like the first month. Doing backs? Yeah, 12:28 doing backs. Wow. Let me tell you, When I first moved to LA, there was an event that Doran was 12:37 a part of. The Juice Joint. The Juice Joint. Shout out to Mel and the 27 Brand. And it was amazing. And it was just like, You can see 12:45 certain people and know that this is not where they're going to be. Very soon, he's going to be the fuck out of here. They trajectory going to take him somewhere. 12:53 A star. You go like, this person's going to be the fuck out of here. You could say it. No, no, not to gas. A lot of people's real draw to coming here. You saw a star. Yeah, I 13:01 think a lot of people saw a star but you that day don't be don't be funny You saw talking about you. Yeah, you saw him and recognized 13:15 He's going places I think anyone can witness a star and know that this is a star. Durant was a star. Why you ain't sign him? You 13:23 want to play, you want to talk. You know I'm a player. You can't sign me. No, nigga. I ain't got no balls. I was like, he's holding up. It's all done. No, 13:32 I ain't got shit. No, but you can just witness. You can witness a star just not even just off of the music, just off of the stage presence. And it was something that, and 13:40 that's kind of speaking to just the trajectory of you wanting to do comedy, you going ahead and doing a skit and doing all that. Like you just know the talent is unlimited to just music. How much of 13:48 a culture shock was it from Cleveland to LA? It wasn't because I've been around this business. I'd 13:56 been going out to LA to work and record, So that wasn't anything. I just needed to figure out where I 14:04 wanted to be. It was either gonna be New York or Atlanta. At the time, there were some veterans there saying that Atlanta isn't really 14:13 the city right now. Either go to LA. And so that's rounded up going. It's my roof. Well at what point in your career did you start sweating? 14:21 When did you have to sweat? When were you stressed? When were you desperate? What the fuck, everything we say this thing, I was talking to 14:29 Beyonce back ground. He started with Earth, Wind & Fire. I know, that's what I'm saying. We know sweat. At what point were you stressed? Baby 14:38 powder his whole life. Gold Bond, Ice, sweating it. So by the time I got out to LA, 2015 through 14:47 2019 was the year of, I'm sorry, the years of Ubering and lifting. There 14:55 we go. Okay. And because while I was still doing background with Badu, she's not like touring for a whole year. 15:03 You know what I'm saying? There are a lot of gaps in between. Yes, spot dates or brief tours. Short tours, short weeks. And so, of course, I'm making my connections 15:11 through there and building relationships, but outside of that, it's like, what do you have to come home to? And so I was lifting an Uber and it 15:20 was, I do believe around the end of 2015, I was kind of having that moment of, 15:29 well, maybe I need to just change who I am altogether so that I can get my foot in the door because something isn't working. So I'm not clicking. 15:37 Like something's not clicking. And so I had a talk with a homie at the time, Avere, 15:46 and he was, he's a writer and an artist. And I was telling him like, yeah, I'm finna just kind of like switch this 15:54 shit up and be very generic and he was like nigga I will slap the shit out of you like you don't need to change anything There is a way for you to be yourself and that be commercial. So 16:03 I let him hear some songs that I was working on And he's like this is like your singing is wonderful, but these met these this arrangement is 16:11 like you are all over the place So let's get some fire. Yeah, let's get some structure here Because I was listening to a lot of jazz. You know what I'm saying? 16:19 So I was styling up a lot of shit, you know. And so we found our format. And then once we did that, I put out my soundcheck EP 16:27 back in 2016 and went on my first tour, which crazy because in September it'll be 10 years since my very first tour that I ever went on. Well, and 16:37 put out the EP and that's when I was like, okay, this starts to make sense. And I ended up doing a video for 16:45 the song Around with Lena Waithe. She had a thing that she did with a partnership with, what was it, Black and something like that 16:54 with AT&T. And she was funding 4 artists to do a music video and feature them in the Billboard magazine. 17:02 And so that was 1 of the videos. So that was also 1 of the pushes that I had, you know, just stepping outside of working 17:10 by myself and bringing other people in. And it's interesting that I've been working by myself for so long that when I started bringing other people in, 17:19 I get nominated. And then I bring some more people in and then I get a Grammy. And then I bring some other people in and then I have my Netflix special. And then it's 17:27 just like, so the beauty of collaborating with people and working with people who have just as much of an imagination as you do. So 17:35 important. That's not spoken about enough. People normally have the opposite reaction to that. Normally when people are used to working by themselves, they just want 17:43 to stay in that bubble. Not really bring people in. Listen, if 1 thing that my late mentor, DeVette Singletary told me 17:52 was, if you have all the answers, then I can't help you. And I'm 18:00 1 of those people that when I get into rooms with people that have, you know, worked in this business for a long time, I always ask questions. Like, 18:08 what are some of the things that you've seen amazing artists do that has been like the downfall of their careers? And 1 of the things was 18:17 when you can't tell them nothing no more. Sure enough. Yeah, for sure. What was the first record where you really was like, you know what, this is about to rock? 18:25 Was Mango Butter or- Stuck. Stuck. Stuck with Art Lens. That was the record that when that happened, it was like, all right, we got something. That was, 18:34 and it wasn't my first project. That was my, when we're talking about studio LPs and projects that have started 18:42 to make noise, they always start with my self-titled Durand. It's D-U-R and an ampersand. And that had melody on it, it had Stuck, 18:50 it had company. Dick's so good, make a bitch relocate. Had that on there. Hello. What the fuck they talking 18:58 about? Hello. And so like just those songs. Bitches relocate for bad, they're too. And I'm 19:07 so sorry to hear that. Because it cannot relate. Even with you singing the lyric. Wait, I want to hear. Oh, go ahead, go ahead. 19:16 Wait, hold on. I want to hear this Stuck. Yeah, Stuck. Stuck featuring R-Linux? Mm-hmm. But 19:26 you can't stop in love with me But you can't stop in love with 19:35 me Please don't let the sun come up And you ain't nothing but love 19:55 And you said this is the first song that got some I'm in love with me I will get you if you love it I can love you every day You can never save it I can show you what you've got I'm on the main, you're 20:03 on the main, but I took a detour So if you decide to play, you know what you're getting 20:11 into now You can stop and get out Okay, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it. That makes sense. He said, I get it, I get it. That sounds good. 20:22 When you're creating the music and you know how the industry is and they try to, well, not today. There definitely was a point where When you 20:30 have the Frank Ocean moment where he kind of just lets it free and speaks and says the words that he want to say. And I'm not saying you follow 20:38 that lead, but you go ahead and you make your music unapologetic. You say the things you want to say and it just seems like it's just wildly accepted no matter whether it's male, female, whatever. 20:47 How important is that for you today? Like you, Dustin Conrad, y'all create unapologetic. I love Dustin. Yeah, 20:56 I'm a Dustin stan page myself. I'm a Dustin stan page. Yeah. But for most men who probably aren't as macho 21:04 to just accept that they enjoy the music without having to personalize the context, how important is that for you? It 21:15 was the moment where 1 of my homies who, 1 of my hetero homies, not my straight homies, because there's a difference. There's a difference. What's the 21:23 difference? Wait, wait, wait, hold on. What's the difference? 1 is biology, the other is a construct. Oh, we give him some. Okay, all right. Yes, heterosexual, that's 21:32 just biology. Straightness, that's a performance. Yeah. Tell me more. So straightness. 21:41 I'm too high for this 1. No, no. I'm saying it like this. Get some water. Well, like I 21:49 said in my special, you know, straightness and whiteness, they're sisters, you know, because they're constructs. Constructs. Yeah, 21:57 they were created to, you know, have, So it's a label for you to perform. Also when you think about 22:05 certain boys that are raised, they're not raised how to be decent human beings, they're raised how not to be like girls. They're taught 22:14 to hate anything that's feminine, anything that's soft, And that, you know, anyone that expresses emotion, that is soft. And also that rage and anger 22:22 are also emotions. So it's a lot of conditioning that has happened that hasn't allowed, 22:31 especially us as black men, to just be human beings, you have to perform. That's the truth. Yeah. You have to take pride in your 22:39 emotions. Your value is contingent upon what you do versus who you are. Who you are. All right, I understand that. So yeah, 22:47 when you can rest well in yourself, what somebody else does with their private parts ain't stressing you out. 22:56 And you just, you're not trying to perform. That's a heterosexual man. Yeah. But when you are straight, it's rah rah, I hate women. Home 23:04 is over holes. Yeah. Okay. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's, yeah. Like I'll tell you 23:12 1 real extreme of a man that's so straight. Some men are so straight that they go to prison. You 23:34 are so emotionally dysregulated that you would let somebody have you in a space 23:42 with all these men. With 1900 men. With all these men. Separated from all the pussy that you could be getting. And you want to fuck your shit up. And go 23:50 be with all those men. My God today. That's funny. I know 1 thing, I wouldn't last 5 minutes in Oz or the 23:58 football field. Oz. What the fuck? Nigga. What? Nigga. 24:08 Listen. Listen. I could not have done that sports and okay, tackle me either I'm tooting my ass up or I'm pressing charges. Slap 24:20 my ass and not take me to dinner? I don't think so. Ha ha! Thresh shut the fuck up. I'm just saying. Holy shit. Oh 24:28 shit. I was over here learning about music. Music was there. It was crazy. Of course. That's a great answer. That's a 24:37 great answer to everything. That was some of my bit, by the way. That was good. That was good. That was good. That was good. That was good. Also, you were saying about, 24:45 we were talking about lyrics, right? Well, no, I mean, I feel like he answers. I feel like you so. So what I've enjoyed is seeing 24:53 my homies bop their heads in groove to me singing about fucking niggas. That's when I knew. Like. So 25:01 you're pretty straightforward in the songs. Cause Destin, Destin Conrad, when I first got hit to him, I didn't hear it. That jazz 25:09 album? That shit was crazy. That's a missive album? Whoa, that too. But put me in my place, show me what I like. I'm 25:18 like, okay. But once I started hearing him, I'm like, oh shit, he in his, he in, he, he getting too happy. What's the song that you're talking about? Okay, okay, no, 25:26 wait, wait, wait. Okay, no, as far as my stuff, I talk about a lot of stuff. It's not just that. Like I talk about heated fellowship. I talk 25:34 about, you know, how you need to turn the volume down so you can hear the numbers on the house, you know You know talk about shit How 25:42 Noah's a complete sentence? Goddamn, right. I talk about How you know well-kept feet are delicious. Yeah, you wrote that up 25:50 That's right. There you go Man over here. I got a song called footprints. There you go Don't you walk all 25:59 over me? Oh, yeah Thank you. You like you like me. He's a big feet guy Guy 26:09 And I take care of my feet because of good trauma. Oh yeah, we were talking about well-kept nails. We were talking about manicures. I was so happy to hear that. He was like, I went to 26:17 go, oh no, you were saying, I went to go get my nails, and I was like, I know that's right, you looking out for women's pH balance, okay, you not trying to disrupt the ecosystem, okay, you making 26:25 sure that shit is together. Love that. Everybody up here get manicures, right? Because me and Issa just assumed that everybody up here got manicures. I give them 26:33 a dinosaur, you know I got the shit I do. We get manicures but the reason and why some people get it is different from others. I mean I just do it because 26:42 you know. Hell yeah. What you think? You over here on the side doing this. We know why you get shit. That's not why, I'm well groomed. 26:50 Well that's when I learned to start making weekly or bi-weekly appointments to get a manicure. Your lady told you. No, when you try to stick a dirty 26:58 finger in some pussy, it's that, that ain't it. That ain't it, that's terrible. That ain't it, that ain't it. Horse a man, what's your line? And I learned that in college. I learned that in college. Horse 27:06 of man. Horse of man. I never, oh, excuse me? I'll never get a nigga killing over 1 time. 27:16 Fine. And wait, and the 1 thing that I do, I say give me your hands. I saw, I 27:24 said wait a minute you've been working. I said go wash your hands. I 27:32 got my nail file and I got the fuck did. But Durant listen, part of my ignorance, 27:43 I'm ignorant to this, but Why you can't stick a dirty fingernail in ass? It's already shitty back there. Pussy 27:51 is so delicate and clean and soft. Ass is, it's still a hole in the body. It's shitty in there. I don't know 27:59 what y'all doing in your house, but over here govern yourself You 28:17 problem don't do that 1 is the problem That's what he said. That's what he said. That's what he said. 28:25 That's what you said. Oh, I had a question I forgot. Oh, boy. He don't fuck you up. Oh, what? He's funny. What? Nah, he's hilarious. Oh man, that's hilarious. 28:34 I gotta follow this guy. What's your socials look like? You're lit over there, ain't you? I'm almost at, well so I'll be 28:42 on threads, cause you know, I've been appointed the mayor of BlackThreads, but apparently threads is where, is BlackThreads. See, I didn't even know threads were still lit. 28:50 I didn't know the black threads. He said that last week. He kept telling us. I don't know nothing about threads. He keeps telling us about threads. Yo. All right, fuck it. What's 28:58 up? I might have to do a formal introduction so they don't, because some folks get on threads and they be like, hey, and they be lightin' they ass up. And I'm just like, 29:06 oh boy. So I'm like. Is it like black Twitter over there? Yeah. We all over there. It's wonderful. Are the whites over there? They 29:15 done got, Some of them done infiltrated, but I just something to block them. I just keep doing it. It's like roaches in LA. You can't get rid of them all together. You know what I'm saying? 29:23 It's a lot of roaches in LA? Oh baby. You ain't going to get no mice. You ain't going to get no mice and rats like that. But you won't get roaches. Yeah, roaches in LA are like mice. Can't somebody house? Yes. 29:31 Yeah. We got a lot of roaches to shorty can't get no meat from me. She got roaches Even if you even if you can have 29:39 a nice I 29:50 told you the story about show you that had the roaches in the crib. That we used to love. Me and you used to really love. I don't love nobody with roaches. You 29:58 wouldn't know. I worked my way outside of having to go to the chick house with roaches. Actually, that's part of why I stopped going to Warren's house. But you can be in a nice building 30:06 in LA, you can be in a nice building in the valley, whatever, and still, you're gonna see a little cucaracha out there, man. Once or twice. Oh, no, no, I'm 30:15 outta here. I'm outta here. I'm outta here. I'm outta here. You crazy? I absolutely loved your Grammy speech. Thank you. Yeah, you killed that. Yeah. Absolutely 30:23 loved your Grammy speech. The rung was better than the speech. Listen. That nigga ran out. Man, toes was like this. And then open back needles. Okay, I'm 30:31 like, please don't let me fall. But it was good to see somebody that excited, Happy. Running for their moment like anybody would 30:39 when you dream of this moment. Too many times we see the awards, everybody been here, everybody cool, everybody's supposed to be here. Yo, thank God, Thank my lady. They treated you like it 30:47 ain't even a big deal no more. That was different. Wait, was that your homie running behind you? That was him. My father said. Yeah, I did. It 30:56 was like trying to give me my speech because I hand wrote it. And I was pulling it out of my phone to go to my notes because I wasn't even thinking about where my speech was. He's like, no, you're 31:04 going to read just what you wrote. Did you know you would win? Did you have an idea? Did they tell you? I mean, you wrote a speech. Did you think you had everybody else wipe down? 31:13 I did not finish my speech until right before I left for the theater. Because I had been trying to talk myself out of 31:21 not writing it, because I had been nominated the year before, and everybody was getting all scientific and political 31:29 about why I deserved it and why I was going to win. And I didn't know about the behind the scenes. Because by the time I had even found out that we 31:37 had been nominated, I'm focusing on another project. So there was this level of expectation and disappointment that 31:45 I didn't want to put myself back through, because it's, you know, and also keep in mind, I'm homeschooled, I'm an only child, I've never had to deal with competition. 31:55 It's always been about me. This is foreign to you. Very much. And on an international level, no less. No! And 32:05 so Avery Sunshine, who won the year prior in my 32:13 same category, she said, please write your speech. And so I wrote my speech and I'm so glad that I did. 32:22 Like, so glad. That's great advice. Yeah, she said, just to be ready. I guess because I 32:30 felt like I don't want to write another speech that the world won't be able to hear. Yeah, I'd rather be safe than sorry. And if you wrote 1 32:38 in loss, it's like, all right, I'm going to put that in there. Yeah, I want to jinx it. Yeah. Even though I ain't going to lie to you now that I've met you and I'm listening to you, I have no doubt that you're off to freestyle. 32:46 He's a smoky. You're a smoky. Smoky. Yeah, he's a natural. You just seem like a natural at this shit. You making me want to do Broadway or something the more I watch you. Man, 32:55 that is a lifestyle that I'm interested when that will even be a thing. I'm not rushing to it because that's 8 shows a week. I'm surprised 33:03 you know you'll kill that You're gonna end up doing it, but it is a lot of work. I think avery Wilson did the Wiz Yeah, I think he did 33:11 it for 2 years. He did and he speaks to like that was just every game in wait man I see him other day. He killed he's the same at the Nick game again. I hid though 33:19 He did taco. They did Taco Tuesday out there and Killed it Anyway, I heard that Taco Tuesday What 33:27 happened? Huh? Oh, no way. What? What? Thought I heard something. From from oh 33:36 you said some shit I 33:45 ain't done! That's why I'm excited! That's why you got nips coming out! That's why you got nips, right? I know I didn't hear what I thought I... Hey, you stuck? 33:53 Eli! I stuck, man! I already said him exact shit. Okay, thank you for coming out by my stank and him making me got some... Yeah, 34:02 yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the... Salute to every 1 of us, man. H-I-D... Yo, 34:10 you didn't sound like that. No lie. That's why I look at E like this. I'm like, OK, so I'll be literally sure. Oh, shit. He was fucking with the Knicks kids? Oh, 34:18 my God. A whole different Glizzy. A whole shit. Damn. Yo, you can't see that. Holy shit. 34:28 Yo, E clip this up. No, please don't. I feel like I said something off the 34:36 top of my tongue. You said that quick, right? Oh, damn. Oh, shit. It was a shot right by it. Oh, man. It's back. Real quick, 34:45 Speaking of artists, can you give me your perfect, you will be deemed as a vocalist, vocalist, right? 34:53 When it comes to R&B today, give me your top at least 4 to 5. 4 to 5. Vocalist. Vocalist, period. Just vocalist. Yes. Okay, so 35:01 we gotta go with Phyllis Hyman Luther 35:11 Vandross Ram getting the fuck out of here. I told you. I thought you said today. He said today Okay 35:20 today every Wilson Today Cleo so okay. Mm-hmm. Love Cleo 35:33 It's tough today, I know That's not really. Not really. It's like, I'm trying to, I'm like, you're talking about vocalists. Vocalists, yes. 35:41 Because there are singers that I enjoy that I don't think that are like vocalists. No, that's why I said vocalists. Yeah, that's why I'm like, I'm trying to, you know, because I got a lot of folks 35:49 that I love and listen to. Yeah. Why am I 35:57 blanking? I knew we shouldn't have smoked. Xavier Omar is 1. 36:06 Another 1 of the guys. Love him. I mean, Stevie Mackey. Definitely. I mean, Stevie Mackey. Definitely. That's 36:20 4. You said 4 or 5. That's 4. I got 1 more. And you can lie on the last 1. Yeah, whatever. You can lie on the last 1. You can throw yourself in there 36:28 or... Tank, who? You know Tank don't like me. Really? Tank got me blocked. Wait, wait, wait. Stop it. 36:37 Stop it, yo. No way Tank has you blocked. Yes, he does. I do not believe that Tank don't like me. Okay, I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. What you did. No, don't 36:45 stop it out there. He started it. You just hit him with the Tank who? No, he started it. You said Tank who? And it's not the, first of all, not the, first of all. The public has said it's your fault. It's not 36:53 my fault, okay, so here's what happened. It gotta be his fault. So listen, listen, okay. So Tank don't dislike nobody. Tank would love you. No, we've met 37:01 before. Okay. Here's the thing, we met on that show. He came on... On the show that you was on. Yes, on Next Big Thing. Okay, so here we go. You know how he was doing the challenges, you know, sing 37:09 this part of the song and whatnot? So he did Can We Talk by Tevin Campbell. And in that, he made a disclaimer. If you 37:17 can't sing this song in the original key, you are not a real R&B singer. And so I said, my brother in Christ, you 37:26 cannot even sing this song in the original key, let alone the bridge. So you came for Tank. No, you said, if you're not a real, 37:35 first of all, that song was created for a child And heaven is a countertenor and you can't sing it in chest voice you know Why would you why can't 37:43 you just say this is the song but you got to do all that And so I was going on tour, and I may or may have 37:51 not tagged all of my brothers in R&B and said, I need y'all to come to the show because this is a master class on how to properly 37:59 sing. And I was calling out everybody and I tagged everybody. And I said, Tank, and I said, now that you can't sing, of course, we're just going to work 38:07 on you singing songs that are in the key for you. That are appropriate for you, you know, and that's all. But of course Tank can sing. I'd be lying if I said he couldn't 38:15 sing. Love him, but yeah, he being mad. You came for Tank. He started. Your range is your range. That don't mean you can't sing. Right, why you got to 38:23 come at people's abilities to do something, instead They can do it their own way Who else you came in? I come Well, who else 38:31 you dissed No, 38:45 I'm not. You know, sometimes I be playing gay, I'm trying to suppress it. I'm trying to be like, as hetero as I can be. 38:53 No, you're trying to be straight. No, not straight. No, not straight. OK. Hetero. Who else have you? And so you are not bisexual? No. 39:01 I just wanted to make sure, cause I was wondering what's going on. Yo, text anybody else and put the memo out there. I never understood, you know, it was just, I'm like, what is going on here? That's something I put out there because I 39:10 was jealous. I was jealous of how heterosexual black men were treated on the internet. And I felt like if you were gay 39:18 you just got to do whatever the fuck you want and be supportive and that was a time where I needed support in my life so I did it and they 39:26 some people believe me you still need support some people still believe you oh no I was I was hot for 39:34 my little week that they thought I was, for real, niggas trying to take me to Fifth Ave, shopping, vacays, all types of shit, but I had to shut it down. 39:42 Got to shut it down. He said, that was a hot thang, my son. When you first hit the scene, though, how do 39:50 I ask this? Because hot, fresh, gay meat. Joe hits the scene. Joe, 40:00 you can't say hot, fresh, gay meat. Just say a new homosexual. This is 40:08 the best. Say anything else. Say anything else. Hot, fresh, gay, me. No, man. As the hot, fresh, gay man on the 40:16 scene. Who said I was gay? There you go, clean it up. It's construct. Never know, he might be being some shit now. I would like to know, 40:24 who told you I was gay? It's construct. Okay, there you go. See? So I'm talking to you. See? It should get tricky, don't 40:33 it? Ass out of you. That's true. That is an assumption. That is an assumption. So I take it back. Normally 40:42 when I hear people say, I mean. What you heard him say? What you heard him say? What he said? 40:50 What he said? What you heard him say? What you heard him say? What you heard him say? What you heard him say? What you heard him say? What you heard him say? What dude came over and he washed his hands? I made A 40:58 moment in time! Clean nails in the ass. I was like, oh, OK. You know, 41:07 little math. Oh, man. This is 1 equation, sir. Got you. This is funny. No, this is the best. 41:15 This is the absolute best. But I'm saying, what you were new on the scene, like... How do I say what I'm saying? 41:23 Was that all you? Yo, first, be clarity on the orientation, dummy. And then you can proceed with your story. Well, because it's actually orientation 41:32 really don't matter in what I'm saying. Play the part in your question though. Play the part in your question is what I'm saying. I mean, it doesn't have to. That can be a part of a heterosexual 41:40 experience as well. True, true. It doesn't have to. New on the scene in the music business, That's when people are coming out. That's when it's 41:48 the attention and it's new people and they try to take advantage of you. You get invited to the new parties. All of these, come to the studio, come to this party, can I come to the hotel? All of this fucking stupid 41:56 shit. How was that for you when you came into the scene? That's what I'm saying. My father's been managing me since the very beginning, so he don't play none of that shit. 42:05 There you go. That's it. That's it. Protected. I've been protected in a way that, and I have an amazing team. 42:15 They truly have my back. And then there's Bernard Senior. And he ain't nothing 42:23 to play with. So I've been, there's been a lot of things that I've just been able to- And he's seen it. Yeah, cause he's been around. Yeah. 42:31 Do you run, not now, but coming up, were you running every opportunity by your dad? Well, 42:42 yeah, we're a team. Yeah. And it wasn't necessarily running it by, it's just we are working together to figure out what, 42:50 because when he asked me at the end of the tour, when I was 16, is this something that you want to do? And I said yes. It wasn't 42:58 nothing I prayed about, it wasn't nothing I dreamed of, I said yes. And so that's when he said, okay, well I'm gonna make sure that we 43:06 get you where you need to be. So it was important for him to be on the carpet with me when I won my grand. And he 43:14 did not know he was going to be on the carpet until he stepped on the carpet. Wow. Fire. I like that your dad also allowed you to have that time 43:22 from 2015 to 2019 to go out there and experience what the industry is on your own. Like you said, you moved to LA, 43:31 shit ain't rocking like that instantly. You're still doing the Uber shit, you still do whatever. That's a big part of also managing, is allowing you to see some 43:39 of the flaws and all other shit that you need to see on your own. Organic. And also not going out there with no coverage. You know, 43:47 there are some, he- Like most artists do. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he made sure that there were people in position to make sure I was I was taking care of you know when I first moved 43:55 out there I was crashing with Andre O'Neil who was a Verdine whites guitar tech for years. He was like, whenever Durant wants to come out 44:03 here, just let me know. So I was cared for properly. That's super dope. Yeah. That's fire. 44:11 Relationships. Is it blessed? Is your expectation now a little risen after the first Grammy win? Like, because you got 44:20 this new album out now, and it's fire. But now are you expecting, like, let's just say it doesn't get nominated. Is 44:28 that your bar? Is that the bar now for you? Like, you got 1, how many more you need? Honestly, I feel like I'm good with my like additional ones are 44:36 dope but I got it you now have to address me as Grammy award-winning yeah yeah Duran 44:44 Bernard It's dope to have them regardless if it's two-time Grammy whatever but matter you still is Grammy award wedding Yeah, you're not so we so we 44:53 cool not nominated Winning winning winning. That's a fact even and even the nomination the price goes up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah 45:01 sure it's the it's the acknowledgement But what if you were nominated for like choir participation? Yeah, let me tell you something. What have you was nominated 45:09 for being in a rap group? But you ain't really have a verse on it. Oh, but I wasn't Yeah, yeah respect me 45:25 Don't say nothing about a group again. Okay, because I was nominated as myself as well. No, don't. But don't say nothing about a group. Multiple nominations do 45:33 different things. Oh, got it, no. All right, there you go. Respect me, nigga. This is what you talk about. Hey, all we do is shoot each other. Listen, I'm like, that's not my boo, wait, that's my boo. You 45:41 know, all we do is shoot each other. The boys are fighting. So what's your biggest song? Right, 45:49 well, shit, right, well the most streams, no, the most streams that I have is Free Fall with Kaytranada. Love Kaytranada. Yeah, that was on the 45:58 Bubba album and that's also a Grammy award winning album too. Hello. The first project that I had a actual feature on that was nominated and also 1 that was 46:06 his that was mine Yeah, yeah, tiny desk. What's name is a free fall free fall 1 plate Joe Yeah, I want 46:14 to at least know have some idea of what's going on. Or as my father says, Katrina. Oh 46:36 wait I heard this, cause I have this album. 46:49 Wait what's this? Oh yeah. Give me baby, here and now Boy, you gotta be with me You ain't gotta be 46:57 with me Right 47:05 this is the Gonna be the guy Makin' up the vibe It's only been 6 minutes Oh yeah, nah, we 47:13 been out here working. You need to step back, you need to relax Pop a chip, feel you will be just fine on this 47:21 far afact Because you're killing me With all your funky energy Goddamn! 47:32 Mike is live! Goddamn! He would have killed the fucking label meeting when they make you stand on the table. Bobby Schwerter. Bobby 47:40 Schwerter. He the guy. That would deal. God damn it. Your tiny desk. Yes, sir. It's deemed as 1 of the 47:48 more popular ones. It's the best. It's, it's. Yes! Oh no, it's the best. No, no. And there are great, phenomenal tiny desks. And then 1 47:56 has to be the best, and that's mine. You are very animated with even the outfits and stuff, and you were doing that for a bit just 48:05 on your tour. For that particular tour. Yeah. Cause even when 48:13 you describe your vocal style, It doesn't seem like you talk about it just in like being inspired by vocalists. Like you talk about being inspired by like 48:21 comedians and characters and stuff like that. Well, how important is that to stage performance and just set shit? Because I'm a theater kid. So 48:29 I'm always and I'm a live performer that records in the studio. So I'm always thinking about how 48:37 this is going to be interpreted live. And 48:46 I like to, I just like to tell stories. I feel like this is a, like I'm bringing people to a playground of mine and I'm showing you 48:54 all the different ways in which that we can go down the slide. There's swings here, there's monkey bars there, there's a sandbox, like we are, Like I said, my imagination is infinite. 49:04 So, as long as I'm enjoying myself, I know other people will be enjoying themselves. You remember your dreams? I smoke too 49:12 much weed to remember my dreams. Way too much. You never heard his remix? Kirk Franklin shit? Mm-mm. And 49:20 I met Kirk Franklin. I love him. I love him so much. He said, sing, nigga. Can you give Joe a little? No, no. 49:29 It's not on my phone. Oh, no. It's in there, but. But. It's Smoke. It's in there, but it's Smoke! 49:40 Air is in my head, pass it to your man and smoke! Come 49:49 on y'all. My nigga can't you see, I'm on this Cali green? So smoke. Here 49:58 at the Greater Ebenezer, New revival Shreer life, institutional double rock on the side of the road, the Jericho Missionary Baptist 50:06 Church of Zion. Incorporated. That is fucking 50:14 hilarious, yo. Yo, me and his friend gotta just be lit. It's just gotta be a good time. He 50:22 bust out in songs, some theater, comedy. You had to cut off some new friends since all the success? Yeah, let's get to it. Let's get 50:30 to it. A Couple of folks. But I mean, that comes with anything. Oh, no. What they did, nigga. Don't try to get comfortable. 50:39 Just a natural transition, or it was like, you got to get the fuck away from me. Some stuff has been natural. Some stuff has been absolutely, I'm not doing this anymore. Who 50:47 switched up on you? No, just friends. Nobody starts to act weird after the Grammy? Nobody starts acting strange? Alright, 50:55 you know what? Now I can't fuck with you. If they act strange, it was way before the Grammy. It's not so...there's always this lingering... Don't forget 51:03 about it when you blow up. But it's like... Don't let me forget. Sometimes it'd 51:11 be folks that you're not really in touch with like that, that be saying, and it's like, For those of us that have genuine relationships and we 51:19 don't always talk every day and when we do catch up, it's cool. Like, what's understood don't need to be explained. Go time without speaking in it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But 51:28 I'm also meeting new people, you know? And I'm not the no new friends type. You know, there are people in my life 51:37 that I have not met yet that are probably gonna bring out some beautiful things out of me. And me bringing beautiful things 51:45 out of them. You know, I'm not wondering about what the worst could be, because we're already living in the worst right now. So I'd like to be a little bit of a light, 51:54 try to change our perspective and our mindset a little bit. It's easier on your nervous system. Yeah, It's a great perspective. And anything else is going to raise our 52:02 blood pressure. No, for real. And listen, Otis is already trying to do some electric sliding up right here, so I'm like, please. I'm going to Turkey. I'm about to say, you down to go to Turkey? 52:11 I am. You are? Please don't come down here like Timbaland, because he brought the bag out and got the whole world Right in the middle. Just touch it up, okay, 52:19 right there. That's all we need. I'm trying to organize a guys trip to Turkey so we can all go get our shit done. Listen, let me go after the tour so that way 52:27 I can be for a minute, you know. I think I'm going to get this too, because I want this thick and, I'm not gonna get the beard. I was gonna do that, but that's a whole nother 52:35 situation. But if I can just thicken this up and I wanna thicken this part, because I want the porn stash. I want it just nice and thick, you know. I get it, I 52:43 get it. Yes. So what is your favorite thing about touring? What is your least favorite thing about touring? My 52:55 favorite thing about touring is commanding a room full of people just 53:03 by being myself. And I know that I'm leaving them better than when I found them because I'm inciting peace, I'm 53:12 inciting encouragement and motivation for you to be yourself and for you to love on yourself and give yourself grace. You know, because as I say, if I'm in 53:20 therapy, we in therapy. Mm-hmm. So, and some folks don't have access to therapists, so they look at me 53:28 as, you know, some kind of motivation and advice, you know, and how I'm doing my best to practice what I preach. 53:36 Have you always been in therapy? I've had, I've been professionally, I've been in therapy since 2020, but I've had, you know, 53:44 access to elders, people who have acted as mentors. You know, my mentor, DeVette Singletary, Badu, you know. That's 53:52 therapy for sure, Badu. Yeah, just hitting her up at 22, asking her like, why do you have to act 54:01 like you don't like somebody in order for them to like you? Like, what is this about? And her just being like, you know what, call me. And then like, you know, we just chopping it up. What 54:10 was her wisdom on that 1? You know, people like to chase. But 54:18 some of the conversation I remember, she said that, oh God, I want to make sure that I get this right, because I've said it so much, but I haven't said it 54:26 in a long time. When you do something, Do it out of the kindness of your heart If it's not a kindness of your heart than that's 54:34 business. Yeah, you know and Also When you what was it? She said let's say you go 54:42 to the to the to the store and you get some shoes You know and you slam them on the cash register thing and you're like, you know what these shoes 54:50 so bad I'm gonna give y'all 1300 dollars for them and they might be 900 and they're you know Now she said now they'll take your money, but don't expect them shoes to do 54:58 no extra shit like walk for you She gives great advice. Listen, I'm just like... Was that 55:07 2020 you seeking professional therapy, was that COVID inspired? I was just going to ask how rough was the pandemic? It wasn't COVID inspired. 55:16 It was... It was... Inspired it was it was I think I just 55:24 got to a point where I wanted to just see what was under the hood you know I wasn't thinking that anything was wrong, 55:33 but I did want to do some self inventory to see, are some of these things that I'm doing genuine characteristics or are these trauma responses? 55:43 Is this me or is this something that I'm carrying that someone else put on me. That came as just a curiosity or 55:51 did something trigger that? I'm very curious. And I've been wanting to get into therapy professionally anyway 55:59 because I've been talking to the homies. And I'm like, I need to, who do I know and whatnot. So yeah, and now I have 2 therapists. I was about to say, how did you end 56:07 up finding the therapist that you were compatible with? Recommendations. So both have been recommendations. A friend of mine recommended 56:15 me hers and we always have very in-depth conversations and I love how you know she she breaks things down and so I knew it would be good 56:24 and then the other 1 my first 1 we knew each other through like the jam session like world 56:32 and but yeah it's just been do you use them? I'm sorry do you use them both for different things specifically or is it like a situation where you can talk to either 56:40 of them about? Anything so I So the second 1 specializes in sex therapy. And 56:49 so that would be 1 if I'm trying to, you know, unpack some other things in a specific area and see what it's tied to. 56:57 And then the other 1 is like my general, but I can also, you know. But it's more, but for real, for real, outside of just having 57:05 perspective, it's also like having 2 barbers. It's like, just in case I need wise counsel immediately, 1 of 57:14 the 2 is going to be a baby, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. Have you been so creative and always 57:22 on the go, just always moving and always feel like your world is just surrounded around creating, have you had the time to step back and see who you are without that? Have 57:30 you needed to do that? Is there separation? Like who are you without creating? Who am 57:38 I when I'm not creating? Did you say when he's not or without? I 57:47 think Let me explain. I don't want I'll guess I'll person I think the biggest struggle for me, or for a lot of people that I've talked to in the past, is that we've engulfed 57:55 ourself with nothing but music and entertainment, that we've kind of lost ourselves outside of it. So I used to walk outside and feel like that was all I was worth 58:03 for like a percent. So do you see a world of where that's kind of where you at or who are you outside of that? 58:12 I think I am a creative person. Like it's just, it's in my DNA. It's how I move, even how I speak. I'm 58:20 always using some kind of musical example or metaphor, you know. Now I will say that 58:28 if I was not doing music I would probably be, wait hold on, because I got a list of things 58:37 that I would not, that I would be doing if I did not do music. And it is things 58:47 I wished I cared about, Pet peeves, things I'd like to see in my lifetime. Hot takes. God, you do a lot of writing. Yes, the 58:55 ways I was socialized. My firsts. That's a privacy screen on your phone. Nosey's had a look at it. See, Relationships. Favorite 59:04 anime. Things I hate about myself. I decided being a singer. I'd be a therapist. A 59:13 preacher. Which I'll be doing that anyway. I could do audio engineering, an actor, a 59:21 life coach, a comedian, a nail tech, an esthetician because I do like picking this stuff, a barber, and 59:31 a cleaning service provider because my first job was a dishwasher so having to clean grease off of things I'm very like 59:39 therapeutic. I'll be like, that was my first job too. Yeah. Dishwasher. What was under the things I hate about myself, Ted? Fuck 59:48 it up. That's real self-aware just now. I thought that was ill that he even had that written down. Let me see. You nosies. 59:59 Being in a position of no room for error, judgment and scrutiny is magnified, everyone has a liability, not able to let my guard down completely, 1:00:08 no such thing as forgiveness or a safe space, perception is reality, sometimes vulnerability doesn't feel optional, it's merely an idea, always having something 1:00:16 to lose, watching other people live a life out from under a microscope. Like I feel very much like Richie Rich sometimes 1:00:24 when he's like looking out seeing the kids being able to be normal and I'm like I would love to do that. It's like it would it would cost me 1:00:34 And it would cause me to be overstimulated sometimes, because as much as I'm a people person, having people just have their, just help 1:00:42 themselves to my body without even introducing yourself at a maximum, like it's just constant, it's you know, or it's so I'm like I gotta 1:00:50 be really charged up to be able to navigate through it, but it can be a lot. How long did it take you to get with that 1:00:58 perception is reality 1, that 1 was a hit me like a ton of bricks. I mean, I've seen it with other people. 1:01:07 That's the thing. I've seen how media treats people. I've seen how the public treats people. So I knew that I wasn't exempt 1:01:15 from that at some point. True, but watching it and You going through it Is it the same I? 1:01:24 Mean I Think at least what helps is that the people in my life who genuinely know me know me So 1:01:32 there's nothing that they need to try to, there's nothing that I have to prove, you know? So I feel like that kind of gives me some peace of 1:01:41 mind. Just awareness knowing that it's gonna happen to you at this point, it's not you can control. Which is why it's important to be mindful of what I say and how like that, also having 1:01:49 that, be at the forefront of any decision that I make. We have to be mindful, what we say, what we do, where we going, how we, like 1:01:57 it's just, And because I used to be a civilian, I mean, I am a civilian, but 1:02:06 just being able to go to the club by myself and not have to worry about certain things. So now that I'm in that position, it 1:02:14 has given me this heightened sense of awareness of my surroundings on top of all the other shit that's going 1:02:22 on. Yeah. The 1 that caught me was the looking at everyone as a liability. That to me is 1:02:30 a scary space to be in. Because as much as you can have everyone around you be in a crowded room, you feel very much alone. Well, it's not even 1:02:39 the aloneness. I think when you are elevating in the way that this is, it's 1:02:51 like you want to make sure that the people in your circle genuinely have your best interests at heart. It's a fact. Like, 1:03:00 that are genuinely rooting for you because even sometimes it can be an accident where it can cost you some stuff. And 1:03:09 it's just, what do we do? So I just try to be very mindful of that. And so when you have people around you 1:03:17 that, again, take certain things serious, sometimes even more serious than you, that's good to have, because they keep me 1:03:25 grounded. What's on your bucket list? So it's 1:03:35 not a bucket list, but it is a list of things that I would do if I knew I wouldn't die. I'm surprised you ain't got that in a note. Oh, I can remember 1:03:43 this. So the first thing is I would like to hang on to the wing of a plane while 1:03:51 it's taking off to see how long I can hang on. Oh, you're real good. Oh, okay. I would storm area 51. Okay, because what is up in 1:03:59 here? Okay, what are y'all hiding? Well, they did that, you could've joined them. They didn't make it. They didn't make it. They didn't make it that far. And then 1:04:07 the other 1 was, oh, sell the Bermuda Triangle. That 1 might be our better. Shit. It's like 1:04:15 a step, the reason everything disappears over there, because it's just a storm, it's really crazy. Yeah, but I would just like to see, you know, phone in a Ziploc bag. 1:04:24 Hey y'all! Hey y'all! Can I ask you, your go-to question? Well not go-to, but you have an accent in a while, 1:04:32 but. Please, Please, have at it. When's your last time either being really upset with something or crying about something? Working 1:04:46 through my savior complex. Who do you feel like gets safe? Everybody out there. We 1:04:54 looking out the window. Cause there's a difference between the hero complex and the savior complex. Hero see something going on, swoops in, saves you, and they 1:05:02 out. And then the saving complex is you see something wrong, you see it, and it's like, let me nurture, let me help. It comes a part of you. Yeah, you make that problem your problem, 1:05:10 that type of thing, and sometimes that can. Ooh, a project. Yeah, yeah. Someone needs me. Yeah. Fix the wrapper. So 1:05:21 yeah, just working through. And you know, my own abandonment issues in certain areas. You know, so just trying to- How the hell did you get a band-aid? 1:05:29 I'm like with you. Who abandoned you? Wade, you can't have that. You're a Cosby kid. Wade, you can't have that. Where the fuck you get that from? 1:05:37 Duran is a lot. I've lived. I could see a world where someone that he would probably love 1:05:46 and enjoy might not be able to handle or understand everything that comes with it. Or even, I'll simplify 1:05:54 it. Someone's upset with me, they don't tell me why or what I've done, and then you cut me off. Tank. Pfft. 1:06:03 Pfft. Yo. Fucked up Tank. Fucked up Tank. Fucked up Tank. Yo, make that shit right here. For real. We 1:06:11 gotta squash that with Tank. I would like to. Tank is a friend to the show and a friend to ours. We got to make that right. I love Tank. Tank works here. Work. That's a 1:06:19 fact. Tell him quit playing. Yeah, no, we're gonna fix that. Tell him his little brother wants to see him. Oh my God. But things like that, and 1:06:27 that goes down to people's communication skills and their mindset of are we 1:06:36 going to repair this or do I not feel like it's worth having a conversation with you and letting you know, hey, when you did this, it hurt my feelings. It hurt my feelings. 1:06:44 And I'm not saying you are bad, I'm saying how you made me feel when you did this. I'm going to name that thing. And accountability, 1:06:52 I was speaking about this on Amber Grimes podcast, is that accountability, when I'm telling you that you did something 1:07:01 that did me harm, that is an act of care. That means that I believe that you have enough respect and consideration for 1:07:09 me to acknowledge what I'm saying. And I value enough to even tell you. Yeah. Because I'm bringing it to you, I want us to work through this. I'm 1:07:17 about repair. So you don't do well with being ghosted at all. I was just gonna say, what if the other person have processed that? But I love you, I want 1:07:25 you to be able to tell me that. Right, but it's about how long it's been. If we've been friends for years, or you know, we 1:07:33 have history under our belts I'm absolutely expecting a conversation because I owe you that you know respect I 1:07:43 agree with this history, you know But everyone does not have that wherewithal sometimes. Sometimes it is to retreat. A lot of people run away. Yeah. 1:07:52 Yeah. Have you ever attempted to bring somebody else to therapy with you? Yes. And not attempted, I have. How'd it go? 1:08:00 Not great. Oh, good. Yes, I got all my niggas in therapy. Okay. That's great. From the OGs to the YNs. No, that's just- And the YN stands 1:08:08 for young nobleman. Yo, let me ask you a question. In that, and how you process things and how you communicate, you think it's easier to do with 1:08:17 men or women? And I'm talking like in a total, well. You talking about romantically? No, no, no, I was about to say I was talking about in a total platonic sense, 1:08:25 but no, either 1, either 1. I feel like both men and women that are in my life, we have 1:08:34 a good rapport with being able to- Accountability. Yeah. Oh, that's a blessing. Because they call me in. No, that's a 1:08:42 blessing. I think that accountability is 1 of the hardest things out here going on. Listen, it's tough. That shit is real relaxed. But I'm gonna tell you why 1:08:50 Accountability feels like a threat because we've always attached punishment to accountability and not rehabilitation That's a good when you're 1:08:58 talking about being accountable you're thinking about being taken into the middle of the city ostracized and embarrassed and Whooping your ass 1:09:06 yeah home because you did something wrong that part. It's a good point Yeah, we don't We don't think of accountability as let's work through this together and let's repair this. It's 1:09:15 always been attached to punishment. I've had to communicate to my partner that I don't deal well with that whole feeling like it's punishment, 1:09:23 just feeling like there's some type of reprimand in coming. That you're not going to get the best of me like that. Like, we could have a good conversation. 1:09:31 Accountability could be there, but let's create a safe space. So, you know, it makes sense. I get it. So you don't have, so do you have 1:09:40 songs? Accountable. Do you have songs Where you are addressing some of the people that may have 1:09:48 ghosted you or not been accountable Are you dissing your songs? I have I don't Yeah Let's 1:09:57 think about so I have a song called summons on the Durand album and I was talking about folks 1:10:07 needing to come see me since they talking about they the best. Like you thought you was the best until I walked into the room nigga. So I've done that. 1:10:17 What else? Did the people know you were talking to them? No. Oh, okay. No, I'm not on that level for anybody to be like, is he talking about me? Like, I'm small 1:10:25 potatoes. What else? What does 1:10:34 your sex therapist think of that song? What is my sex therapist think of that song? I don't think she's heard that 1, but 1:10:42 she's heard other songs that I've written that I've had to work through. How's it going, thank you for joining us. How you doing? That's Flip, do you know Flip? Yo, 1:10:51 that thing is looking like I'm back there. I can't believe it. Me and Danny? I think you're looking like I'm back there. Come out here and say that. 1:10:59 Yo, sit back down. No, you don't think that thing is looking like I'm back there. I'm like, I'm not even a brother. Yo, 1:11:09 now you know you look like you just have, remember Painful? Yeah. My man that was robbing, that shot AZ. 1:11:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know he's a robber. Who's that actor? He ain't going to. I'm fine. I haven't seen Painful. No, yes he is. No, there was a joke going around from the tiny desk 1:11:26 when he was doing a tiny this that he looked like Josh Hart Josh Hart. Oh, yeah, they said Josh You 1:11:35 know personally but I'm like that would have been funny if we did that somewhere together. That would be- He cool, he'd get kicked out of it. Yeah. I did see that 1:11:43 Josh Hart stuff going around. I did, That was funny. Was that accurate? Because I didn't know where to 1:11:52 reference it from. Yeah. That was it. Y'all look... Who? Who look like what? Y'all look alike, but then you look more like Josh Hart, I think, because you lighter. 1:12:01 I just don't like being compared about looking like all right it's cool so 1:12:09 you want a Grammy you put in put another album out how many projects you got in total hold on wait let me count I 1:12:18 mean from when you been lit this is 5 but total like 15 oh damn damn. What 1:12:27 was the concept in working with, because you worked with a lot of people on this project like a lot of people yeah Raphael Sadiq, Brian 1:12:35 Michael Cox, Troy, 7th Streeter, you will got that's the gang that's 1:12:43 the homies this is on the new album yeah period hold on let me go get this And I'm 1:12:51 doing the lean by the way, oh you do have the classic classic cover lean Yeah, be arm be lean. Yeah record Big Sean is is that's my dad's 1:13:00 fire. I'm not the Seanathan. Yeah But what was it thought like, you know, fuck it. Let me go out off this Grammy win let me just go link with some 1:13:08 other people and... Well, the original idea was to do a deluxe of Bloom. So we were going to do 5 new tracks and then 2 remixes. 1:13:17 But we kept creating and coming up with ideas. There were so many noodles on the wall, it's like, well, we might as well just do a whole other, yeah, just do another project. And 1:13:25 so we came out swinging. Is it easier now? Do I need to buy Bloom? You need to buy all of it. Well, you got 15 projects. Well, no, the ones that's out 1:13:33 now. So Bloom, Bernard, En Route, got to do that 1. Do you like house music? Yes. New Jersey. I did 1:13:41 a project called Where in the World is Carmen Randiego? It's an EP, and it's my homage to Jersey 1:13:50 Club. It's Charlie and them. I'll 1:13:58 type it in the search. It come up as Charlie. Yeah, if you go to his page, it's under... It's right there. Yeah, it just come up. 1:14:07 Yeah, that opening number. And I got a song on there called, Huh Who? And the chorus says, If you can huh, then you can hear. Oh, 1:14:16 come on. Where's my bag? Oh this jersey! I'm ready to go down I'm ready 1:14:24 to go down I'm ready to go down Damn right! God 1:14:35 damn nigga 10.99 for 8 songs? God damn It's worth it Give it to the corner 1:14:47 I was ready, I was ready to go, now I'm just ready for it, but I'm not ready to go I was 1:14:56 ready, I was ready to go That's so funny knowing your 1:15:04 theater background and your jazz background, but yet hearing you on knees. Oh, I love, listen, La Boosh, 1:15:13 my shit. What's the hell? The 90s, La da da dee la da da da da. Be my lover, my lover. That's them 1:15:22 Crystal Waters. Yeah, yeah. Robbin' ass. Martha Wives. You know, oh yeah, that's my, Sylvester. Sylvester, yeah, 1:15:30 yeah. You make me feel. Mm-hmm. So let me see what else I got for Durian, but no I feel like I'm learning a lot 1:15:38 about you Could you see yourself acting? Absolutely. It seems like you would be yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's and that was you see what you could do you 1:15:46 got so So my Netflix special was my segue into someone seeing me 1:15:56 so they can see where they could just plug me into. Into the ah. Into the, yeah, whether that's hosting, whether that's, you know, oh, he can absolutely do comedy, because 1:16:04 that would be my foot in the door. I would love to do some drama, though. I'd love to do like some how to get away with murder, scandal type, you know, that type of 1:16:12 thing. So. Are you a TV guy? Like, do you watch a lot of TV? I love Abba Little Mentory. Great show. Black Cake was a good 1:16:20 1. What's Black Cake? Can I watch that? Yeah. What you mean, can you watch it? Yeah. What's on Black Cake? Frost 1:16:28 it, nigga. Huh? No, you just said that for all season. Just shut up. You got to watch. They only gave us 1 season. Terrible, but still, you got to check in. Oh, that's the worst. OK. I know. But it's 1:16:36 worth it, though. Where's that? We're gonna find it. All right, got it. Of course, American Dad. Okay. Family Guy. 1:16:46 What else was I watching? Let me see, there was a few Netflix specials like Behind Her Eyes, that was good. The Midnight Gospel, oof. 1:16:56 I've really been in my anime bag because that was at the very top of the list of things that I wish I cared about. And what? Oh yeah, I have a list of things I 1:17:05 wish I cared about. What else do you wish you cared about? Spades. Oh, come on. Medieval times. Yeah, I'm with you. I had to take 1:17:13 plantains off because What? I didn't like plantains. How? But it's the chips. I like the chips. Then they, you know, lime it up. You know, that way I don't know that it's 1:17:21 a banana. You know, I like bananas, but don't. You like it in the goya, I bet. It ain't a banana, dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You ready to test out this? Spades, did I say spades? Yeah, you said spades. 1:17:29 What else do I wish I cared about? Beer. Yeah, I just... If you get a good beer, cool, but you don't 1:17:37 really... I mean ginger beer. I wham. It doesn't count. Listen, it says it's beer. It's beer. Your mama named you beer. It's 1:17:45 beer. Fair. That's my shit. So what does the summer look like? I'm 1:17:54 still trying to figure out for myself. I imagine yours being a lot more like mine. I'm doing a couple festivals, definitely doing a tour. And 1:18:02 then finding some pockets in between where I can be still so I can kind of just hear my own thoughts kind of take in what's been happening 1:18:10 what is happening. That was my next 1 like how do you decompress where do you go to just self serve and just be off grid or just to think 1:18:19 like where's your happy place? I like to be in the house. Yeah, truly. Still at LA? That's where my stuff is. Still at LA? I'm somewhere. Sure 1:18:27 enough. How did you celebrate the Grammy win? I went in the house. No party, no... I mean, we was all at the 1:18:35 crib. The homies was who I was crashing with. So we had a moment there, but... Intimate. Yeah, intimate. Because I knew if I went out, I was 1:18:43 going to be sardined up. You know, it was just like, that was going to be a lot. I need somewhere where I can at least hear myself talk and think and You 1:18:52 know just be around folks that I know who's in in the space, you know So that was that was a good a good way to kind of in the evening and my feet was killing 1:19:00 me is there a world where Durand is no longer an 1:19:09 artist or you've kind of moved past? Like, do you see a future where that's just past you? No more albums, no more performing. I 1:19:20 think that would be the area where I would probably be getting into like having a talk show, or doing things 1:19:28 behind the scenes, whether that's producing, directing, I have no idea, but who knows? I think I'm just open 1:19:36 to the possibilities. Would that be doing the world a disservice for you to be behind the scenes? I mean, listen, I've already started writing for other 1:19:44 folks, So I'm really excited about that. I mean, mind the scenes completely. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what that would 1:19:52 look like right now. I'm fine where I am right now. You're so much just flavor. I know, we just got here. You know what I'm saying? So I'm- 1:20:00 But it'd be people like him and just other people, like yourself, you get into a certain space, you become the space and you would want 1:20:09 those people to be the people behind the scenes actually bringing in the new talent. I think, like when we talk about media, there's a time where 1:20:17 people should be able to rely on you to see that next star in media and you not have to continuously be the star. That part. So I do see a world where, yeah, like 1:20:25 you should go behind the scenes to keep this cycle going. Because I'm already seeing people that grew up watching 1:20:33 me and Ari Lennox, you know, and they're inspired by me. And 1 in particular, I want to shout out Dexter Jordan, who 1:20:42 I've been vicariously living through because he grew up watching me and Ari on YouTube. And then in the same year, he was 1:20:52 able to get a background gig with her on her tour. So he's been on tour with her. And I did a song with him for his project. 1:21:00 That's fine. So I was just like, oh, if I could just put myself in your shoes, I know I just I was so excited for him. That's super fine. Yeah. 1:21:09 So I love moments like that where I can like I want to I don't want to be 1 of the people that's gatekeeping or that's you know, like, oh, 1:21:17 you you trying to be like me like let's guide motherfuckers like then we'd be mad that niggas out here leaning on their own understanding, we're in kitten heels. Niggas 1:21:27 wear kitten heels. Well, whatever the version of kitten heels is, what is it, Jordans? You said some funny shit, too. What is it? 1:21:35 Oh, no, no, they said that the old man's shoes are the Air Force One's, how dare you! Yeah, that's disrespectful. Yeah, yeah, they gotta stop. Yeah. You said something 1:21:44 about being a little, like to certain people that you spoke to on that record, you being like a little fish to them. Do you feel 1:21:52 like you still getting that treatment? You're not a little fish within this pond at this point, as far as when it comes to music, especially within R&B, like you are a 1:22:00 solidified star. A Titan. There you go. Do you still feel like you're getting some of that treatment from people who shouldn't be giving you that? Honestly, 1:22:09 if I could be 100%, I don't give a fuck. Burgerbuck. Mm-hmm. 1:22:18 Truly, I like to rock with folks that want to rock with me. And I also understand timing. Because you'll have folks that, you 1:22:26 know, they're making their reviews about, you know, their introduction to me and they're, you know, encountering me. And oh 1:22:35 my God, I just lost my thought. Hold on, cause it was getting good. What were we just talking about? Help me out. People treat you as a, you don't give a fuck about people not giving you 1:22:43 your props. You understand timing. Understand timing, right, right, right. So there'll be people that would say, well, I was trying to get you here to Durant back in 2012, but I didn't have stuck back 1:22:51 in 2012. You know, yes, you can, I had the chops, but it's about, do you have a hit record? Like the talent is only 12% of 1:23:00 what we have to offer. There's so much more. But I've always been on the outskirts of everything. So I've always been, I don't 1:23:08 know what it feels like to have a major label backing. I do know what it feels like to have a village. So that's what I've been focused on. The Village is making it 1:23:16 look major label-y. For real. Yeah, for real. As Mel says, we are the church of make it enough. Yeah. Have you 1:23:24 worked with Follower? Yes, he's on the album. Oh yeah. He got everybody on the album. No, the album is. You got all my people on 1:23:32 this album. I can't believe that I haven't heard this album. Did you have Brian Michael Cox on this 1? Yeah, he did My Life. 1:23:41 And Troy did I Found Myself. What was the budget for this album? What is it? I got to 1:23:49 go ask my dad again, because I was like, wait, what? But I do, and I don't have a label, but we do have a district Deal with the 1:23:57 create music group. Yeah, so nice. Yep. So we have them we have CAA agency and of course our 1:24:05 purposes Sean England. So yeah, my creative director, Mel, I got, you know, so we got folks, but all these people 1:24:13 that are on the team are friends, like we are all homies, you know? So that's been the comforting part about navigating through this business 1:24:21 is I genuinely feel like I have people that have my back. How can I be of service to the mission? I wanna help, I wanna do something. Let's 1:24:30 do this, nigga. What else? I feel so late to the party, I had to do something. I think a big part of it is talking. We can brainstorm, we can figure 1:24:38 something out. Yeah, yeah, let's do that. This guy's just, this guy's all right with me. Why you ain't say that this guy was all right? Nigga, I said, why you think he hit? Nah, 1:24:46 you ain't really wrecking him the way you've been. I've been driving, I got the very first time y'all ever mention me. I have that clip somewhere, but I gotta find it. But yeah, 1:24:54 he's been, he's been... Come on. I should have been caught off guard by this is all I'm saying. Yo, you should keep your thing on the pulse of the culture. Yeah, keep your ear 1:25:02 to the street. Yeah. See what that money do. Oh, shit. He called you old. See what that money do? Now he ain't call you old, he call you disconnected. Yeah, 1:25:11 disconnected. It's even worse. Disconnectedly old. That's worse. I'm gonna have a good talk to y'all after I guess. There's 1:25:19 a meeting. Oh wait, I do want to know how, that's the question I want to ask. The question I ask 1:25:27 all the good R&B people. If decade for decade, from the 70s to 2020, place 1:25:37 the R&B decades 1 through 5. Are you excluding the 70s this time? 1:25:46 70s, 80s, 90s, 20s, 2010s. All right. The 1:25:56 20s and the 2010s aren't in this. They're not allowed. So it'll be different sections of like early 90s, late 90s. OK, because I 1:26:04 like they got to regroup, you know. 5. 1:26:17 0, because I'm just I'm like I'm going down the Rolodex of like, oh no, that's 70s. Oh no, that's 80s. Ooh. Yeah. 1:26:26 Because Alexander O'Neil is in, oh. If you were here tonight. Yeah. And he re-recorded it. So y'all 1:26:34 buy the new 1 and support Alexander O'Neil. It don't sound the same, but just support him. Hey, yo, just play that old shit, yo. Sorry, dawg. 1:26:42 Play that old shit. Don't do that, yo. I love Alexander. I'm watching to get your streams on, but nah, we cool. Yeah, the new 1 is, yeah. Nah, new way in it. Nah, we good. I need to cover that song. Oh my 1:26:50 God, that would be great. I need to cover that, yeah. Also, if you look at, my father looks like Alexander O'Neil back in the day, but they could have been 1:26:58 in a group called Stash. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Stupid. You still gotta get your answer. Yes. 1:27:08 Okay, okay. Seventies would be 5. Eighties would be 4. Early 1:27:20 nineties is 3. Late nineties, 2. And then my music is number 1. Thank you. Something 1:27:29 that you absolutely hate when you hear it done in a song? It be too short. 1:27:37 Like it's just, it's a 90 second song. Let the shit breathe. Yeah. That's that today shit. 2 songs in particular on this 1:27:46 Bernard album, Homesick and Bloom have a minute long intro and I let everything build. Oh yeah. Bass 1:27:54 builds, then keys, then the strings, then it's like let the shit breathe and let it have a room. Instruments are a 1:28:02 part of the song. This 1 girl mentioned something, ooh, and she cooked, the grease was popping. She said, a lot of y'all be saying, 1:28:10 y'all like music, no y'all don't. Y'all like rapping and y'all like singing, but y'all don't like the actual music. Y'all don't like the instruments. Oh, that's a fact. They don't got the teachers' band for 1:28:18 that shit today. Did y'all hear this? Y'all hear them strings? Like y'all not fucking with that. That's your jazz brain kicking in cuz yeah most people know it's musician brain 1:28:26 Yeah, musician brain, but but I'm he did say he's heavily heavily influenced in jazz I just think people just don't they don't like music. They don't like music 1:28:35 I think they don't have a lot of artists No more they like celebrities like some of the things that celebrity do in music But when you love music 1 of my favorite 1:28:43 1 of my favorite things that are done in songs that they used to do back in the day, and I like to do it, is you'll hear 1 1:28:51 instrument in this ear, another instrument in that ear, and I love a pan, because you have to be, it's almost like you have to be 1:28:59 in it to be able to experience it. Just don't pay in the drums. No. Like the early 60s when they were figuring out stereo, the drums would be all on this line. 1:29:07 Well not all the drums. Yeah, yeah, hi-hat. Hi-hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then like, you know, a snare or something like, you know, something that. But certain old shits, the whole shit would be over here. It's like, all right. 1:29:16 And when you pan right, it lets me feel like you thought about me. Like you were thinking about me and how I was going to hear this. So yeah. 1:29:24 Also make space for the vocals. You have any response? A lot of people after the Michael biopic comes out, keep talking about other 1:29:32 people they want to see, of course everybody keeps saying Prince. Your name keeps getting thrown into the who they would like to see play Prince. What's 1:29:41 your response to that? I will play Morris Day. There you go. Yes. You get more, Morris. I'm way more. That was 1:29:49 amazing. I'm Morris Day all day. Like, hands down. And I know that the reason why they- How's the family? 1:29:58 Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They always, but they bring up Prince because, of course, we're 1:30:07 little. Statue of vocal ability. The speaking voice now, this was when I started getting in the gym, bitch, okay, because it was a little higher at first, and now we got all 1:30:15 this shit. And then just our eyes, like the certain mannerisms, that's what they're looking at. But I 1:30:23 would, Morris Day. Character wise. Character wise, Morris Day. Who would be a Jerome? Or Little Richard. Who would be my Jerome? Who would be at Jerome if you Morris 1:30:31 day? Ooh funny Marco Yes 1:30:46 Him a funny Margo that'd be that you know what else I would love to remake? Pootie Tang. Classic. It's a classic. Classic. It's a classic. 1:30:55 Sign your pity on the ready time. And there has to be a, I wish there was a world where Pootie Tang and Jackie Washington met. Do 1:31:03 you remember Jackie Washington? Jackie Washington? The movie that Jennifer Lewis was in, it was a mockumentary. 1:31:12 Jackie's Back, it's called Jackie's Back. No, I didn't see that. Oh, It came out in 99. So I feel like if you see Jackie's back, 1:31:20 Pooty Tang would make sense. Like, oh, they're from that same world. Got it. Hilarious. Jackie's back with Jennifer Lewis and had everybody in the movie. 1:31:28 Robert Townsend directed it. Oh, okay. Everybody was in the movie as Ken, Whoopi Goldberg, Sean Hayes, Don Cornelius, Diane 1:31:37 Carroll, God damn, Liza Minnelli, Bette Midler. There were so many people talking about this woman. Time 1:31:46 Arnold, Charles Barkley. Yeah, Charles Barkley. I had to see this and I don't remember. He's by the top. He's named too many people. And 99? No, I ain't no doubt about it. I 1:31:54 watched that. 99 wasn't my see movies year. Okay. He said, movie see me. That's funny. Jackie's 1:32:04 back. Jackie's back, yeah. It's an all star cast. Please, why it's so silly. It is so funny. And her daughter's name in the movie is 1:32:12 Antandra. With an A. A-N-T-O N-D-R I'm 1:32:20 going to have to see my fire stick. God damn it. I'm throwing this on purpose. Yeah, that's funny, sir. This guy is great, man. That's funny, yo. You're cool with me. 1:32:29 I've truly enjoyed this. No, this was everything, man. I'm so glad that this happened. I'm so late to 1:32:37 the party. Yeah. But that's good, though. Yeah, better late than never. Yeah, no. You're not late to the music. You're not late. You're just not, I don't think you 1:32:46 Familiar with the actual personality that was attached to some of the music you was hearing. Yeah, he is a, yeah, like 1:32:54 a light bulb, just a force. Starship. Star. I don't know why you ain't sign him. Take me up 1:33:02 tonight. Cause he a hater. Oh, that's true. You saw him early in the day. Oh my god. Listen, I was walking into the spot. It's another person I can blame 1:33:10 for my relationship fucking up my fiancee. Because I kept going today, today, and day. You're going to blame everybody but you. Yeah. All right. He said, I don't know what a capability is. That was my creepo spot 1:33:18 with Shorty. Going to the Juice Joint. You know what he keeps making me think of? Like, as I sit here, Village Underground. That's what the Juice Joint. 1:33:27 So I went to Village Underground back in 2010. Oh, you did? Yes. Ron Grant. Rest in peace, Ron. Yeah, Ron. Yeah, yeah, Ron. Mm-hmm. 1:33:36 Because, yeah, you did. And Sherri Peps. Sherri Peps, yeah. But that's what the Juice Joint was. It was literally that. Only thing, only thing was there was no- You was on it again, squeezes. 1:33:44 The only difference with the Juice Joint versus Village Underground was there was no list. The band would just get up there and jam and whoever felt the spirit, 1:33:52 you just get up there. So it was very much- Let me tell y'all. I stole y'all shit. Literally my event out here was Kind of 1:34:00 inspired by Juice Joint and Unfall. All the way, you hear that now? He was inspired. Yeah, no, I was very big and saying like, since The 1:34:08 Village Underground, that was the first time after that, me seeing people jam like that. I know you tore The Village Underground. No, no, no, no. 1:34:16 I know you did. I went in there and sang bag lady Yeah, I did the mix it would kiss me on my neck. I see you've got a blue note over 1:34:24 here coming up next 1 Yep, and it's sold out. I'm sure you find a couple of How 1:34:37 many shows a Blue Note, or just 1? 2. Fucking hell. I just did a- Terrence Martin. Terrence Martin was there. Terrence, shout out to Terrence. You 1:34:46 know, Blue Note got, they got a Blue Note in LA now. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's rocking. It's bigger. Well, I know that only 1:34:54 because Maeda, shout out to Maeda, Maeda's supposed to come up here soon, but Maeda hit me 1 day like, hey, I want to invite you and all of y'all 1:35:03 to the Blue Note. Oh, that's right. You know what I'm saying? Oh, girl, we going to be there. Send me the time and yada, yada, yada, yada. And she send all that shit over. And 1:35:12 I hit her back like, wait. No, I went to look it up because I was trying to find out what plans my wife to get over there and I was like Hold 1:35:20 up. Yeah, we missed a few people out here blue note. We missed Sasha Kibu We missed Destin, Conrad. We missed a few people out here. Blue note 1:35:28 be rocking Yeah, but if you know what but I kind of on purpose try to not know who's gonna be a blue note cuz I live there Word like I'll be 1:35:36 there every week looking at these people. You already know that's that's what they don't live in there in June So yeah June I'm in there. I'm going 1:35:45 that's a great time when you want to go. I can't wait to see that show. It's a Thursday, too. In May? You want to go with May? All right. Oh, the Blue Nose in LA, you saying? 1:35:53 Nah, he said he want to go when Mayda goes. Got it. Do we have any final questions? Any 1:36:01 final questions? Do you have any questions for us? No, this has been really great. I've thoroughly enjoyed 1:36:09 myself. This was much better than what I anticipated. You know what I'm saying? You went and did some hooligans. You didn't yell about Ox Day. You didn't raise the impression. You 1:36:17 know what I'm saying? Of course, you was hating ass nigga because you didn't sign me. That's a fact. You discovered that. That's a fact. That's always. I did enjoy this. My police didn't 1:36:25 come over here and yank me up. You know, so I'm just, I feel like. Hey, publicist, did we do good? We did all right? Everything all right. Good, good, good. And you know, 1:36:34 you only got 1, you got 1 job for me, you know? Word. You know. Just send off the cards. You know. Or you got a doodle. You know, T-Drew, we said, hey. 1:36:42 You know, you got a doodle. Huge fans. Huge fans. What? Oh no, I'm about to sing it when they leave You 1:36:52 know He'll sing when the real thing oh, yeah, that's what you're doing real don't play no 1 Stop 1:37:02 doing Joke is saying There's 1:37:13 on our base Stop doing that, stop doing that. Stop doing that, yo. Stop doing that. Stop doing that. I'm talking about him. I'm talking about him. Stop playing. Jokers sing. Jokers sing too. He do the lows. He do the lows, right? Barrett's on our base. Neither. A fish. 1:37:26 Neither Man, that was crazy. That was great. He was looking so perplexed. I'm 1:37:34 saying, I don't know. I heard it. I'm looking at you. That was funny. That was funny. But even if it was what he thought, 1:37:44 that would have been a weird place to flex, right? Like, yo, I hit. At the next game. At the game. At the next game. Like, 1:37:53 yo, sir, this is the place of business. Y'all are great. I will be at that Blue Note. I'll be at that Blue Note for sure. Hopefully They have the fucking New 1:38:01 Orleans seafood soup that I keep trying to get. No, it's not. They had that shit last time. It's gone. It's gone. Well, not for good, right? No, they said it 1:38:09 was gone. No, no, they're doing it like a special. No, it's a specialty. It's a specialty, man. He didn't say gone. He said gone. This is a specialty. I'm telling you, we asked. 1:38:18 They said it was gone. OK. But you can be right. Is there a possibility that when I ask, I'll get a different answer than y'all? Maybe. Possible. Yeah. I'm still going to ask. 1:38:26 I'm running it up. Did you ask the owner? No, we didn't. Sit down. So you never know. No, we gotta make a fuss. They can't just make changes to shit we love. We gotta 1:38:34 make a fuss. We got voices. They got the fuck. That shit was fine. Anyway, and I don't know if you know, you ain't missed Terrence Martin's still there. 1:38:42 Oh, you got a residency? Is he there this weekend? Tonight? He's there tonight? Tomorrow? I just. Yeah, all right, stay less, don't worry about it. Yeah, I'll let you know that I'll get to that Ladies 1:38:51 and gentlemen, 1 of my favorite guests this year Make some noise the ramping on Our 1:39:02 doors always open man, you're always welcome here facts facts my man the rest of y'all, don't touch that down. We'll be right 1:39:11 back. And we're back. We're back. We're back. Hopefully you enjoyed our Duran Bernard interview as much as I did. Nah, he was fucking hilarious. Nah, he was a blast, 1:39:20 pause. That was great. Yo, it's pausing. Yeah, you gotta pause now. Well... A blast? He was a blast? Yo, y'all being 1:39:28 straight. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Don't be straight, be heterosexual. I'm a human. I'm a human. I'm not just not myself. I'm human. I love everyone 1:39:36 equally. Yo, people, let me just say this. Look at the fucking man. Shit almost, shit is almost where it's at. Listen. What does that 1:39:44 mean? You'll see it. This man right here told me that I am... Well, let me be careful. Nah, I changed my mind. I changed my mind. Leave it alone. Leave 1:39:52 -> 100:00.900] it alone. Leave it alone. And point to the right nigga, because that wasn't me. He just saying you Jamaican. Look, look, look, look, look, look. Look, look, look, look, look, look. Look, look, look, look, look, look. Who got to show me the boss?