The Joe Budden Podcast Episode 946

— [100:19.800 --> 100:20.580] watching it.

— [100:21.040 --> 100:22.160] It says that culture

— [100:22.700 --> 100:23.540] is what matters.

— [100:23.860 --> 100:25.100] That's the other part.

— [100:25.680 --> 100:30.020] That's what helped cemented that this nigga's the greatest because I forgot because I was younger.

— [100:30.540 --> 100:33.060] Like, when reasonable doubt came out,

— [100:33.660 --> 100:35.580] I was in Jersey City,

— [100:37.380 --> 100:38.360] robbing people.

— [100:39.060 --> 100:39.820] Not, that's 96.

— [100:40.130 --> 100:40.630] I

— [100:40.940 --> 100:44.400] didn't understand none of that drug deal until that nigga was talking about. That wasn't my story.

— [100:45.840 --> 100:48.760] For Blueprint to come out in 01, I had a record deal.

— [100:49.340 --> 100:50.520] And when I was young,

— [100:51.640 --> 100:53.460] that seemed like eons apart

— [100:54.280 --> 100:55.760] because it's 2 different lives.

— [100:56.800 --> 100:57.780] It's a shift.

— [100:58.440 --> 101:04.240] It wasn't until this Yankee Stadium shit that I did math, actual math, and said,

— [101:05.460 --> 101:06.780] yo, that was only 5 years between Reasonable Doubt and

— [101:07.200 --> 101:08.240] Blueprint. There is no conversation

— [101:09.340 --> 101:10.640] now. There is no conversation to have.

— [101:11.680 --> 101:12.380] If he did Reasonable

— [101:13.180 --> 101:13.680] Doubt.

— [101:14.010 --> 101:14.510] Every

— [101:14.840 --> 101:15.720] 4th 0.25. It

— [101:16.860 --> 101:18.740] went Reasonable Doubt, Volume 1, Volume

— [101:19.840 --> 101:21.400] 2, Volume 3, dynasty.

— [101:22.960 --> 101:24.420] That's crazy, B.

— [101:24.860 --> 101:26.780] In that 5 year span, dog.

— [101:27.960 --> 101:29.020] That is insanity.

— [101:29.480 --> 101:30.780] Nobody can do that.

— [101:32.320 --> 101:33.860] Yeah, but 5 years reasonable

— [101:34.440 --> 101:35.040] doubt to

— [101:36.160 --> 101:38.980] blueprint. It's also rare for someone to have an album

— [101:39.800 --> 101:47.860] that good compared to their 1st album that late in their career. You know, most people don't have a classic album 5 albums deep unless that was their 1st class.

— [101:48.160 --> 102:08.460] But the thing is most people not putting out an album every single year. So they 5th album might come a decade down the road. That's a fact. You get what I'm saying? So they've matured, it's different. This is not an album every single year for 5 years straight. So that's why it's been like that long. He up there changing the words, Jigga held it down 30 summers. Like he up there really just, this entire run has just been a flex

— [102:09.120 --> 102:10.040] and a reminder

— [102:10.880 --> 102:11.820] and an introduction

— [102:12.240 --> 102:14.600] to some of you people that may be confused

— [102:15.060 --> 102:17.480] on just who the fuck this nigga is, yo.

— [102:18.260 --> 102:24.180] Like, is some of y'all stupid enough out there still talking about this is Beyonce's husband, which he is, but nah.

— [102:24.760 --> 102:27.380] But nah. But nah, that ain't that.

— [102:28.180 --> 102:30.900] This ain't this and that ain't that, dog.

— [102:31.340 --> 102:33.300] Or if you 28, you 30, you 35,

— [102:33.860 --> 102:44.740] and again, Drake is Drake, no disrespect to Drake. My nigga, you see that now he's getting a resurgence of album sales. Yeah, like it's going back to be like, oh damn

— [102:45.260 --> 102:50.720] Let me go listen to what everybody on this nigga dick for pause, but they getting it

— [102:51.600 --> 103:07.760] I'm just on a culture tip. I don't care about that. No, I'm just saying but culturally He's now moving the youth again that are well not the youth but you know, I don't trying to hate him But yeah, they've ever yeah. Hey, it's there is this there is there time Whatever they say from this point, moving forward, it's y'all paying y'all.

— [103:08.080 --> 103:17.340] But be clear, it can't affect our own boys. The best show we was there when we saw that's what y'all saw is different. I'm done. I'm done. That's a button on it. No point. Yeah

— [103:17.960 --> 103:18.460] No,

— [103:18.860 --> 103:20.260] I went bought all emerge

— [103:21.380 --> 103:24.820] About 3 I went bought all emerge today and have no sizes.

— [103:25.360 --> 103:27.300] Then I start doing more man

— [103:29.540 --> 103:30.580] More man

— [103:31.940 --> 103:38.320] That's why I started when it was like, oh, we're gonna cancel the show. I started doing a little bit of math. I was like, they're not canceling the show. They're not canceling the show. Yeah, no.

— [103:39.060 --> 103:39.680] It's bringing

— [103:40.040 --> 103:40.940] a couple dollars.

— [103:41.720 --> 103:45.480] Yeah. Look, we're not just gonna. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not refunding all this, nope. No.

— [103:45.820 --> 103:50.060] And I know the way that Pharrell was talking up there, he got here.

— [103:50.380 --> 103:50.880] It's

— [103:51.180 --> 103:51.680] heat.

— [103:52.300 --> 104:07.060] Pharrell gave some of that niggas some of the hardest beats he ever made. And then it made sense to me, that's the only thing I could think, that's the only reason I could think of that Jay-Z was not on that Clips album to be clear I'm saying this is someone that

— [104:07.660 --> 104:11.260] that knows both of them that didn't makes it that still don't make sense

— [104:12.040 --> 104:12.540] unless

— [104:14.680 --> 104:19.180] unless You hit a nigga while he's in work mode. He got killer ready. He got for real

— [104:19.920 --> 104:30.780] Yeah, y'all y'all hold up boy. It's some shit coming. I can't wait. I cannot wait. All right, that's all I got on that What's next? What's next? What's important? What's unimportant? Do I toss it? The parks is it's a park sign

— [104:31.420 --> 104:32.700] Okay, we go for the

— [104:33.320 --> 104:39.560] Up here that we're gonna go to underground hip-hop. Let's do it, underground hip-hop. Why not? Let's do it, I love it. It's only, it's only whole

— [104:40.040 --> 104:40.540] Spech,

— [104:41.580 --> 104:42.620] Ak and Charlamagne.

— [104:42.960 --> 104:43.580] That's true.

— [104:44.060 --> 104:46.740] What else is important here? Yeah, come on.

— [104:47.060 --> 104:48.380] Well, Spech went back

— [104:48.760 --> 104:51.500] to S.O. And Heineken shit, and

— [104:51.820 --> 104:54.820] he let off the opera, man. He had some things to say

— [104:55.360 --> 105:18.060] and he has gotten the internet and an uproar and I'm sure you guys are here all to attack me about the things that he said. No, why do you think that? What did he say? Oh, because that's been the case. He fired on Jim Jones, he fired on Fat Joe, he fired on Kiss, sort of. Not really, in some of the clips that went around He was fired on kiss But then he later on in the interview if you watch the entire interview was Bigging up how legendary kisses and how you so

— [105:18.920 --> 105:24.980] Negative shit. Yeah. Yeah, And so we clear all this started because he wants to do another record with Kiss.

— [105:25.680 --> 105:26.180] Basically.

— [105:26.820 --> 105:27.880] Basically, yeah, I guess.

— [105:29.240 --> 105:35.620] And then he was talking about, he's the guy I was saying, cuz he was- No, I'm not doing that. Yeah, that's not true. I'm asking. Because

— [105:36.160 --> 105:39.160] originally I said whatever approach he was taking,

— [105:39.500 --> 105:44.180] you can't want to do a record with him. Because that's not the way to get it done. Or maybe you don't know that.

— [105:44.760 --> 105:54.260] Well, wait, Hold up. I don't think that's fair because it seems well no he said it in this interview and in the previous interview that he Has reached out time and time again. He's had communications with kiss. He said that again in this interview

— [105:55.160 --> 106:02.760] He's tried it the other way Offered him money offered it, you know to do projects whatever whatever and he's been ignored essentially,

— [106:03.100 --> 106:05.200] which is why he said he's ducking me.

— [106:05.660 --> 106:09.500] So let's put the timeline out. The other way is non-existent

— [106:10.120 --> 106:12.320] once you get to the you're ducking

— [106:12.640 --> 106:13.140] me.

— [106:13.760 --> 106:21.720] You may have tried every angle in the world. Listen, and I feel like I want to play this 1st before I start talking about it. Okay. Special.

— [106:23.060 --> 106:28.320] Okay. And this is 1 of the longer clips. This is a 4 minute clip, but I'm just play it

— [106:28.900 --> 106:36.160] as soon as my phone gets to work. All right, mother fucker. All right, here we go. Niggas wasn't doing nothing. It's a 5 minute clip. Let's just get down to this stuff. Most of you niggas got in rap, then went to the streets.

— [106:37.540 --> 106:38.560] Got in a rap joint

— [106:39.880 --> 106:41.780] game, you full on home. All that corny shit.

— [106:42.460 --> 106:54.440] Listen, I got in a rap nigga and walked away from anything that had something to do with the streets. I'm a real street nigga that appreciate this shit. I ain't glorifying the streets nigga. I'm happy to make it out of the streets homie. I'm not glorifying

— [106:54.760 --> 106:56.440] that shit. Now let's talk about the

— [106:56.880 --> 106:58.240] song. I think it was a bad idea.

— [106:58.900 --> 107:09.680] Let me tell you why I think it was. Which song are you talking about? The 1 that you checked out of the show. The 1 that you checked out of the show. The 1 that you checked out of the show. I think it was a bad idea. Why was it not a good song or a bad song? Well let me tell you why I think it was a bad idea. Why was it not a good song? Well, let me tell you why I think it was a bad idea. And I don't know who the idea was. Maybe it was Fat Joe's.

— [107:10.040 --> 107:10.540] But

— [107:12.040 --> 107:12.960] to sit there

— [107:13.540 --> 107:15.080] and have 50-year-old men

— [107:15.400 --> 107:22.760] making a song about the aroma of drugs is not too appealing, my nigga. Like, who are y'all trying to aim for? Like, y'all niggas should be making

— [107:23.200 --> 107:41.120] songs about like the prescription drugs y'all taking to stay alive and shit. As a, you know what I'm saying? Like, peptides and shit. You niggas should be rapping about peptides and motherfucking AARP and shit like that. What the fuck is wrong with you talking about the aroma of drugs? Like we old, we old as a bitch. Y'all niggas 10, 15 years older than me.

— [107:41.480 --> 107:50.120] Talking about the aroma of drugs. Who idea was that? And then to diss me on it was stupid. A real drug dealer, y'all know just a real drug dealer. A nigga that really sold drugs on a song.

— [107:51.140 --> 107:58.100] Kids, you spit the verse you got fucking calendar fat Joe as your backup dancers You wear the book bag got another man gave you you spit the verse you spit the verse

— [107:58.920 --> 108:01.320] That Joe he more happy about your verse to his

— [108:03.780 --> 108:14.000] He just happy to be around this Khalid do you speak like that when you're around your Palestinian people or you just speak like that when you're around Niggas? I want to know. If you speak animated like that, like, oh. He's just going off. This

— [108:14.460 --> 108:23.080] is what I heard. Hold on, I don't... We gonna talk this shit. I'll pause it. But wait, so hold on, Parks. I know that's your man, shout out to him. Yeah.

— [108:23.420 --> 108:25.940] But you, so you go at someone,

— [108:26.600 --> 108:31.160] right? Saying they ducking you, and you call them out, you respond,

— [108:32.080 --> 108:51.180] and now you, you in the verse, now you criticizing him in the interview about the type of verse he did. And I heard the verse was hot. Like, that sounds kind of crazy to me. And you was criticizing people for going on podcasts instead of rapping. And now you're responding to the rapper going on the podcast. To me, I didn't understand the... I don't understand what he's doing. I'm kind of surprised even. I thought he was...

— [108:52.200 --> 109:22.100] I saw him in Koppel, but I'm surprised to hear that. Honestly. I don't really know him, but that's surprising the way he's cracking jokes on it and downplaying the verse. What I take from his? I'm sorry, what you're saying? No, I'm done. I'm done. I'm sorry. I just want to say that. What I took from it, because he did go on to say I'm independent. So I almost like I got to get my name out there and make people talk about me. I got to do this part. Like I don't like to see that personally. I didn't take that from what he said about being independent at all. No, I'm saying when he was kinda addressing-

— [109:22.600 --> 109:32.360] That's what Jim Jones had said up here, but that's not what Special was talking about in this interview to me. To me it sounded a little different. Okay. But again, you know him, So you can have a different insight in that.

— [109:33.020 --> 109:34.860] But if you're talking about rapping,

— [109:35.820 --> 109:42.380] Kiss ain't go on no platform and say nothing. He rapped. He did the Big Daddy Kane joint. Yeah. And he did

— [109:42.700 --> 109:44.520] the Aroma record, which is Fire.

— [109:45.040 --> 109:50.540] I do like that record. That's the part, that's 1 of the things I don't really understand about what Special's saying. What are we talking about?

— [109:51.100 --> 109:53.360] That record is hard,

— [109:54.880 --> 110:00.500] mostly because the Stove guards are. The hook. Yeah, crazy. And if you hear that hook.

— [110:00.860 --> 110:03.340] No, that beat is still all I see. That's New York.

— [110:03.900 --> 110:05.220] Yeah, but the hook

— [110:05.920 --> 110:09.180] Leans to what the subject subject matter is.

— [110:09.640 --> 110:12.940] It's called the aroma. I don't yeah, I want to hear

— [110:14.080 --> 110:18.840] If they did that before over that beat over that granny hard No, I don't interpret that as glorifying.

— [110:19.240 --> 110:30.540] I don't even think that's the best angle to take, if you'd spesh, but I mean, alright, you shooting everybody, so go ahead and get your shit off. Understand this shit, I'm shooting everybody. Everybody get shot the fuck up. Just think about it, independent nigger. Think I need

— [110:31.080 --> 110:46.200] anything from anybody. No, back to this shit. That was a bad idea. I don't want to hear no 50 year old niggas, damn near 60, talking about the aroma of drugs. You don't want to hear that shit, you don't want to hear that shit, but y'all don't want, y'all gotta play the industry game, I don't. So I speak, well I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know, y'all might need niggas. I'm sorry,

— [110:46.940 --> 110:50.360] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Listen,

— [110:50.900 --> 110:51.780] I'm not joking.

— [110:53.140 --> 110:58.800] That's another thing that I don't like a lot of, I'm starting to see a lot of, if you don't criticize something or critique something,

— [110:59.120 --> 110:59.740] the way

— [111:00.100 --> 111:06.300] that a person wants you to, you're diggin' it. Yeah, yeah. Or nigga, we don't agree with that.

— [111:06.860 --> 111:07.360] Right.

— [111:07.860 --> 111:11.720] Like he's telling them, y'all can't criticize, y'all ain't gonna say nothing because y'all playing the industry game.

— [111:12.840 --> 111:13.600] Or not.

— [111:14.460 --> 111:20.780] But go ahead. I might like the song. Yeah, that's another big misconception. I have a lot to say on this topic That's another big misconception

— [111:21.320 --> 111:23.220] and I identify I relate to

— [111:23.920 --> 111:29.720] What he's saying and why he's saying it I do relate to a lot of it It sounds a lot like young you not for nothing.

— [111:30.060 --> 111:33.920] That's why I have so much to say about it. It's so much I identify

— [111:34.380 --> 111:35.980] with. He reminds me

— [111:36.580 --> 111:38.300] of me when I was at my angriest.

— [111:39.560 --> 111:40.300] Not lowest,

— [111:41.980 --> 111:42.480] angriest,

— [111:43.620 --> 111:44.120] independent,

— [111:45.060 --> 111:47.020] nobody in the game helped me,

— [111:49.080 --> 111:55.580] anybody could get it, I'm better than them, I'm not answering to nobody, I'm moving on my own time.

— [111:56.280 --> 111:58.120] Yes sir. I'm gonna let you

— [111:58.520 --> 111:59.020] finish.

— [111:59.760 --> 112:01.320] You said all that in rapping.

— [112:02.300 --> 112:05.880] No, he said it on live stream too. But he rapped. But so did

— [112:06.180 --> 112:12.840] Spash. Spash ain't rapped. The niggas he talking about, he hasn't rapped. What do you mean? You ain't said nothing. Kiss has rapped too.

— [112:13.520 --> 112:30.500] If you want to say the Big Daddy Kane joint has some shots, and if you want to say the Roma record has some shots, which I believe they both did, to some extent. They threw us a couple subs, yes. Spash, this is when you should be rapping. He's going to rap. No, you shouldn't. You should not be responding. This is where I have to. Hold on real quick. If you call somebody out

— [112:30.880 --> 112:32.060] about rapping,

— [112:32.800 --> 112:33.740] and they respond

— [112:34.200 --> 112:35.300] via rapping,

— [112:36.380 --> 112:38.360] You should not run to a podcast.

— [112:38.860 --> 112:46.460] That's my take on that. You should, if you're, and your whole thing is how well you rap or how much better you rap than this person, your immediate response

— [112:46.780 --> 112:47.700] should be rapping.

— [112:48.260 --> 112:50.780] Anything else, I don't want to hear it. I agree.

— [112:51.300 --> 112:52.880] That's fair. That's fair.

— [112:53.340 --> 112:58.780] Well, go ahead, my friend. Like, he reminds me of me during that vibe bracket,

— [113:01.960 --> 113:05.400] when I said whatever I had to say about Method Man.

— [113:07.480 --> 113:08.840] Angry at the game,

— [113:10.080 --> 113:12.140] hey, whoever y'all think is nice,

— [113:12.820 --> 113:16.020] I think I could take them. I'm gonna state that publicly,

— [113:16.660 --> 113:18.780] even if I've never said it to this person

— [113:19.260 --> 113:22.660] I think we all I think we competing and everybody's doing this rap

— [113:23.300 --> 113:32.260] so I'm saying whatever I'm saying but by the time I get to some of Jim was that rock the bells pay to wherever I actually spoke the method man it's like your dog what are you doing

— [113:32.760 --> 113:44.980] you saying this to somebody about somebody that don't bother nobody ain't bothered nobody is loved by all has never had a bad encounter nowhere, with the whole hip hop, transcends

— [113:45.440 --> 113:46.200] hip hop,

— [113:46.520 --> 113:48.300] the person you talking about. And

— [113:49.080 --> 113:52.020] They got whatever they needed to get from it already

— [113:53.240 --> 113:54.680] You making your bones

— [113:55.380 --> 113:56.800] You making your way

— [113:57.340 --> 114:10.200] But you don't need to do that and you talented enough The things are you you dis and niggas that already that love you you We love you and root for you. We love all that spittish shit you talking about but you dissing niggas.

— [114:11.280 --> 114:11.900] It's like

— [114:12.720 --> 114:25.420] you cutting your nose to spite your fate. You making your travel harder. Why don't you just try and met the man later. He was like, he gave me everything he was dealing with personally. He was like, the man I'm talking about ain't even talking, dealing with rap stuff.

— [114:26.120 --> 114:28.780] We dealing with grown man, household

— [114:29.340 --> 114:33.340] life. Life stuff and here comes some punk-add, little young punk

— [114:33.780 --> 114:36.980] running his fucking mouth. Changed my entire perspective.

— [114:37.800 --> 114:42.100] Changed my entire, but that's who, like, Special is reminding me of.

— [114:44.460 --> 114:51.120] And we identify in even more ways than that. Even Kiss, right, He going through this with Kiss. Hey, I went through this with Kiss already.

— [114:52.200 --> 114:53.700] I wanted a verse from Kiss.

— [114:54.640 --> 114:56.500] I couldn't get the verse from Kiss.

— [114:57.380 --> 115:03.280] I was online and in verses saying, hey, where's Kiss? He's ducking me.

— [115:03.940 --> 115:12.180] That's how me and Marlon Wayne and somebody started beefing on Twitter. They tweeted some shit, yo, me and 2 Chainz, somebody. I got this new Kiss verse. I added Kiss.

— [115:13.160 --> 115:15.420] Yo, you rapping with this bum ass.

— [115:16.840 --> 115:18.540] And I can't get a verse.

— [115:19.020 --> 115:19.880] My brain

— [115:21.400 --> 115:22.400] Didn't understand

— [115:23.700 --> 115:24.200] that

— [115:24.860 --> 115:28.760] This game is more politics than it is music near

— [115:29.620 --> 115:32.120] That's probably true. They would know it's true. It's

— [115:32.620 --> 115:35.940] true. It's not a probably about it. There were some things

— [115:36.340 --> 115:36.840] that

— [115:37.780 --> 115:38.280] Kiss

— [115:38.800 --> 115:40.980] felt like he needed to get with me

— [115:41.600 --> 115:43.400] on. There was some things

— [115:43.780 --> 115:46.740] that Styles, the people that were watching me and my moves,

— [115:47.060 --> 115:49.620] they felt like they needed to come get with me 1st.

— [115:51.020 --> 115:51.860] And then

— [115:52.160 --> 115:55.700] we could get to rapping. I eventually got my kiss verse.

— [115:56.280 --> 115:58.360] I eventually got my stout verse.

— [115:58.680 --> 116:02.200] A couple of them. Stout sent that verse back in 70 seconds.

— [116:03.260 --> 116:05.520] Like when the politics is right,

— [116:07.260 --> 116:12.100] you'll get your verse. The reason why I say the probably to that statement

— [116:12.700 --> 116:23.240] is that he is and has been independent, not only releasing his own music, but releasing and producing other people's music as well. So the politics part, while true,

— [116:23.620 --> 116:39.420] is not dissimilar to your position on politics within this podcasting space, where it's like, I got my own shit, I got my own fan base, I cater to them, I'm doing a bunch of shit, maybe people don't see all of it, But I really care about that. That's him. I'm here to tell anybody listening

— [116:39.940 --> 116:41.020] That is a myth

— [116:41.520 --> 116:42.460] and a farce

— [116:42.940 --> 116:43.820] and a front

— [116:44.380 --> 116:45.260] it is fugazi

— [116:46.100 --> 116:50.320] Even if really believe that hey, they say that in independence

— [116:50.800 --> 117:01.960] you shouldn't even use the word scale. If you believe that, then I ain't talking to you. But we all are playing the game whether we know we're playing it or not.

— [117:03.040 --> 117:06.660] And that's something that we have to learn. I had to go learn

— [117:07.020 --> 117:07.520] that

— [117:07.920 --> 117:09.660] I've pissed off people

— [117:10.340 --> 117:11.980] that are friends with people,

— [117:12.620 --> 117:15.560] that have people that work in every

— [117:16.560 --> 117:18.300] section of this infrastructure

— [117:19.060 --> 117:25.700] where you may need, hey, I'm independent, I'm not playing the radio game, I'm not playing in this game. Well, you wanna do shows,

— [117:26.580 --> 117:35.280] these venues are owned by people, Yankee Stadium is owned by somebody, Madison Square Garden is owned by people. You better learn where culture is accepted

— [117:35.740 --> 117:43.140] and treated a certain way and where it's not. So for the shit he's doing, I also just feel like he got the best role model in the world

— [117:43.740 --> 117:46.860] right next to him or a phone call away, which is Ransom.

— [117:49.180 --> 117:49.680] Ransom

— [117:50.580 --> 117:52.120] is in Hawaii somewhere

— [117:53.080 --> 117:54.100] under the sun,

— [117:55.000 --> 117:56.060] far secluded,

— [117:57.780 --> 117:59.780] far away from rappers,

— [118:00.080 --> 118:02.300] rapper people, and industry people.

— [118:02.660 --> 118:06.940] He's learned in his 20 years how to play the independent game

— [118:07.400 --> 118:11.740] the way that he wants to play it. He think all of these rap n****s are phony.

— [118:12.380 --> 118:14.380] He think it's all fake

— [118:15.780 --> 118:21.140] And he keeps his business separate from all of that. He might he's he's not out disrespecting none of the rappers.

— [118:22.120 --> 118:35.360] He's not out talking shit about none of the rappers, but he know what it is and he keep himself kind of away I got a little bit of that and me I don't jive with I am coming to mingle with you I know what this is and I know me. I'm psycho

— [118:36.180 --> 118:44.040] So I try to keep that separate, but I'm damn sure not about to make my task harder than it needs to be as a podcaster I'm independent.

— [118:44.480 --> 118:44.980] However

— [118:46.880 --> 118:50.400] The people that are higher up in some of these C suites,

— [118:52.120 --> 118:58.100] in some of these companies that you may need to partner with or align with or work with,

— [118:59.240 --> 118:59.740] yeah,

— [119:00.180 --> 119:00.680] yeah.

— [119:01.100 --> 119:18.860] They wanna know what time it is. There's a way that you got to kind of do that. Sorry if I'm breaking news. But everybody have to go through their phases, right? Like he's just going through that phase that you went through that everybody else went through. I don't know what phase he go, he sounds, I've never met him and I'm trying to get him up here so I can say some of this to his face

— [119:19.320 --> 119:21.620] because it's important, he's talented, but

— [119:22.160 --> 119:24.060] you making your job harder.

— [119:25.080 --> 119:35.420] Whatever your job is, I'm not... But if you try to reach out to niggas and you're showing it by your talent and I'm rapping and you're trying your best to reach out to people and you're getting

— [119:35.800 --> 119:48.560] in your mind, they're asked to kiss, what else way can you go? We're on the road to the end. They don't owe you nothing. They don't owe you a verse. This is title man you're speaking to. But this is what's bringing the attention. All right, so listen to this. We up here talking about it. But does this get you the verse that you want?

— [119:49.260 --> 119:51.440] No. But now it's going to put more ears on him.

— [119:51.740 --> 120:16.920] But now it's creating an enemy in the situation that a person wasn't your enemy. So if I reach out to somebody to give me a verse, again, that nigga might be going through some personal shit in his life. He might be embarking on new business ventures. He might be doing a whole bunch of stuff. I don't know what's going on. But for me to now go public and say, yo, you ducking me. Now it creates a negativity. There was nothing negative in you ducking me. Yes, it is. There is negativity to me. That's not negative to me.

— [120:17.440 --> 120:24.600] Yeah. That's right. That's negative to you. It's negative. It's negative. When he said it, I came over here and said it was negative. And Parks knows him, so out of respect for Parks,

— [120:25.260 --> 120:36.520] he's like, hey, maybe he was joking. Maybe he's cool with kids. Maybe he's, hey, you're right. I don't know. I never met him. Looking at this now, he ain't joking. He don't know these n****s and he ain't getting no verse. And now you just created a situation

— [120:36.900 --> 120:37.760] and a potential,

— [120:38.060 --> 120:48.240] Jadakiss is so well loved, bro. Fat Joe is so well loved that now you might've created enemies and created negativity in a space where there was none. But that's the line that went over his head

— [120:48.580 --> 120:50.280] because the SO asked him

— [120:50.780 --> 120:58.560] yo yeah in the song is tell me is this about a verse or a career like what did you think he meant by that and special couldn't say

— [121:00.200 --> 121:07.740] And that's a he didn't know what he meant. I got the clip somewhere. I'll find it but I'm running my mouth right now I got you. I got you the point of that the sentence.

— [121:08.300 --> 121:10.260] He wasn't dissing your career

— [121:11.520 --> 121:12.620] He was saying

— [121:13.100 --> 121:13.600] yo

— [121:14.280 --> 121:15.600] Think bigger picture

— [121:15.920 --> 121:16.420] dog

— [121:17.960 --> 121:22.400] he was saying the same thing method man said to me I'm cemented

— [121:22.780 --> 121:27.300] already I did it I rhyme with big I brought I I'm

— [121:27.760 --> 121:36.060] I'm more world to this ain't about this is not about a verse dog hey you got me you got me on the verse hey kudos but I'm who the fuck I am already.

— [121:36.760 --> 121:38.820] And spec seemed to miss that part.

— [121:40.360 --> 121:48.600] You just seem cool with making making his job a little harder. And I don't understand it. He missed it because the entitlement was so loud. That's all I hear when he's speaking is entitlement.

— [121:49.020 --> 121:56.840] I asked you for a verse, you didn't do the verse. You're not giving me a verse. I tried every which way to get the verse. And you, all that life happening shit.

— [121:57.720 --> 122:06.520] What if he just don't wanna do the verse? It's possible. He's entitled to that. That's true as a rapper. I'm entitled to say hey, you know what or not right now

— [122:07.000 --> 122:10.000] I'll get to you later on you gotta you gotta you gotta get here

— [122:17.060 --> 122:19.280] Looking at an independent free man.

— [122:19.580 --> 122:21.640] Y'all never see me again, I still make my money.

— [122:22.540 --> 122:25.500] Listen homie, I own my music and other niggas music, relax.

— [122:26.480 --> 122:28.220] Nigga, look at the credits, nigga.

— [122:28.680 --> 122:36.520] I ain't just sitting here rapping, nigga. I came in this bitch spending my money playing the same game that the Jews play. You niggas that take money from the Jews, you niggas that take money from me.

— [122:37.120 --> 122:40.860] Let's get that shit understood. I don't want to talk to niggas that's not bosses, homie.

— [122:42.960 --> 122:47.820] See niggas and say, yo, we gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, and we just doing it because it's the way of the industry.

— [122:48.140 --> 122:50.680] I'm sorry, y'all. I'm not used to the industry.

— [122:51.220 --> 122:52.520] When people talk to me,

— [122:52.980 --> 122:55.940] say, yo, give me they phone number that I ain't ask for

— [122:56.600 --> 123:04.640] and say, yo, I'ma do this, for some strange reason I believe that shit because that's the world I come. I'm pausing it. When people talk to you, where at 38 Special?

— [123:05.140 --> 123:06.900] When what people talk to you?

— [123:07.220 --> 123:12.680] See, that's what I mean about you niggas that's running around, I'm independent, I'm independent, I'm independent. No, you're going to see Busta Rhymes.

— [123:14.280 --> 123:18.400] You're going to see fucking, you're going to see the people of the space

— [123:18.700 --> 123:27.620] in spaces you're gonna see that in pergola you're gonna see it in Buffalo wherever the fuck you at so people are talking to you and they know who you are independence

— [123:28.040 --> 123:32.360] don't mean separate from that like you seem to keep saying so

— [123:36.380 --> 123:39.660] you put a nigga position I don't ask for nothing to ask you for something.

— [123:40.760 --> 123:43.200] Mm-hmm. But I know I don't ask for nothing. Dog,

— [123:44.240 --> 123:45.160] get over yourself.

— [123:46.020 --> 123:47.480] Dog, get over

— [123:48.480 --> 124:01.020] yourself. Go out there and get some life experience yo and it hurts it hurts coming from where we come from all that we a man of our word we were a all us is real name ain't nobody pussy so then you get in the music business

— [124:01.480 --> 124:05.140] and the DJ say I'm gonna play your record and he don't play it

— [124:07.080 --> 124:13.220] then you go go get with somebody you give them your music yo dog I think this your fire I'm past this is so my and they don't

— [124:14.040 --> 124:14.840] ask it

— [124:16.240 --> 124:18.220] this has been hip-hop since 96

— [124:18.700 --> 124:23.200] when I gave Chris Lighty my demo and expected a phone. It was waiting by the phone.

— [124:24.060 --> 124:33.460] This is where we was bumping in and then passing them something thinking that, oh my God, something about them. No, nobody's doing nothing for you, nigga. You can either get angry about it,

— [124:34.540 --> 124:35.040] or

— [124:35.800 --> 124:36.660] you can just

— [124:37.460 --> 124:43.340] understand the game that you in and the position that you in. He gotta get over some of this stuff.

— [124:44.540 --> 124:48.280] The music business is not the land of real niggas.

— [124:50.540 --> 124:54.400] Actually, if you're asking me, it's a trap for real niggas.

— [124:55.340 --> 124:56.520] The music business

— [124:56.880 --> 125:02.820] is designed to set you real niggas up. Because you come in with all your real n**** tricks, close-minded,

— [125:03.220 --> 125:05.280] and now you learn some Jewish tricks.

— [125:05.660 --> 125:14.920] Or now you learn some lawyer tricks. Or now you learn the tour tricks. Or now you, and at some point it's meant to make you the real street n****

— [125:15.500 --> 125:18.860] flip a f***head. It's like when the customer service people call

— [125:19.760 --> 125:30.680] Yes, sir. No, we cut you we cut your lights off. No, we'll try to get that on immediately No, if you can just be patient with us, we'll send somebody out there in 79 hours today They saying everything for you to say yo suck my

— [125:31.020 --> 125:41.720] dick But you can't say it cuz then they're gonna hang up on you and you're gonna be a hole for the next 47 4 minutes waiting for them to get back on the phone. It's a tricky game. It's not set up for real

— [125:42.900 --> 126:01.600] You know, I'm a real nigga. I'm a real nigga. I'm a real nigga. I'm a real you're real nigga That you're real niggas to death yo learn what the going on around you And if you're a real nigga, then why you even taking the day hard for some other niggas who ain't gonna say nothing about you That's the thing. He's saying what he's saying about Jim a Jim. You don't rap well enough You don't qualify to join this conversation true

— [126:02.420 --> 126:06.080] but it don't take somebody rapping well to identify

— [126:06.860 --> 126:07.960] Jada Kiss

— [126:08.520 --> 126:09.980] as 1 of the people

— [126:10.440 --> 126:10.940] that

— [126:11.680 --> 126:12.180] we

— [126:12.940 --> 126:21.340] just don't play with like that. Why does Jim got it right? Jim because Jim was making jokes about how he dressed or some shit that that's what that was About what that was at the end

— [126:22.580 --> 126:23.760] That was at the end

— [126:24.560 --> 126:27.300] how did he and Jim shit kick off?

— [126:31.780 --> 126:33.580] Does anybody know from he shouldn't

— [126:35.660 --> 126:37.960] He's in the game. Niggas got to go.

— [126:38.300 --> 126:43.120] Come on, bro. You heard? You dig? And 38 Special is nice. You heard?

— [126:44.000 --> 126:45.940] I dig in and shit like that. You dig?

— [126:46.520 --> 126:47.360] Come on,

— [126:47.660 --> 126:48.840] bro. You dig?

— [126:49.480 --> 126:50.360] You dig? Come

— [126:51.140 --> 126:55.620] on, bro. You dig? But I get it. So this is Jim to Joe's point.

— [126:55.980 --> 127:02.220] Joe is saying, special remontance of him. At 1 point, Jim Jones was shooting at the top of the top of the top.

— [127:02.780 --> 127:09.780] So now Jim Jones, maybe, maybe, I can't speak for Jim, identifying, yo, I made that mistake that you make him before,

— [127:10.380 --> 127:13.060] you shooting at Jada, I shot at Jay Z.

— [127:13.900 --> 127:20.280] And at the end of this he got- Because Royce came out, when Jim was shooting at Kiss, Royce was like, yo, dog,

— [127:21.420 --> 127:21.920] yo,

— [127:22.420 --> 127:36.520] it's levels to this shit. Other people were saying, yo, it's levels to this. But the point that is missing from the clip that he played is when he starts making fun of like oh you dress without a wife beater on underneath your white shirt or so, which is why he got to saying don't even enter this conversation,

— [127:36.960 --> 127:41.580] which I think is all fair play at that point. You know, you talk about rap show, you coming out a personal shot.

— [127:42.160 --> 127:43.060] That makes sense.

— [127:43.680 --> 127:44.600] No, it don't

— [127:44.940 --> 127:52.300] know. You start cracking on me. Now I got I could start replying you could you can do whatever the fuck you want Yeah, but why?

— [127:53.800 --> 127:59.340] Cuz you're still trying to sell me I know man man me to death you trying to sell music

— [128:00.560 --> 128:02.720] And you're trying to fucking perform music

— [128:03.960 --> 128:06.480] Anything outside of that is a distraction dog

— [128:06.820 --> 128:13.540] So yes, you can get into a war of words over the internet with Jim Jones and a lot of people will think you right

— [128:14.480 --> 128:14.980] However,

— [128:15.660 --> 128:18.120] Jim Jones, like he said in his reply,

— [128:18.780 --> 128:20.820] which I ain't gonna play, cause why?

— [128:21.600 --> 128:25.580] Yo dog, if you say my name again, it's gonna be hot summer.

— [128:25.980 --> 128:31.740] What that means, and again, ain't nobody pussy, but what that means is, I have all the time in the world

— [128:32.060 --> 128:34.080] to put hurdles in front of you.

— [128:34.440 --> 128:35.520] That's what it means.

— [128:36.660 --> 128:38.980] And some if you will if you with that

— [128:39.400 --> 128:42.140] didn't have at it but is that the goal?

— [128:43.180 --> 128:46.580] Because it started with you saying that you was the best and you know how to rap.

— [128:47.080 --> 128:55.800] And now I gotta bring 100 niggas with me everywhere I go. I can't move around because it's gonna get shaken because I keep pissing other people off.

— [128:56.500 --> 129:01.940] After that Met the Man talk, it wasn't another festival where it wasn't, where We wasn't ponying up for security.

— [129:03.180 --> 129:09.500] We taking that money out of the show money now. Joe Budden said something. They slurred out, hated me. Not Royce, that's my brother.

— [129:09.820 --> 129:17.920] Them other niggas, oh, they fucking hated me to death. Wait, you mean Joe Budden keep running his mouth when he leave the group and go home

— [129:18.320 --> 129:19.220] on the internet

— [129:19.720 --> 129:20.220] and

— [129:20.700 --> 129:21.780] we got a pay-per-suit.

— [129:22.540 --> 129:23.040] Yes,

— [129:23.760 --> 129:24.820] yes, unfortunately

— [129:25.680 --> 129:26.780] because if not

— [129:27.260 --> 129:29.280] it'll be tougher to get to the stage.

— [129:31.920 --> 129:32.860] It is connected.

— [129:34.180 --> 129:39.580] It's all connected even if you think it's not connected. There's people in here that know just how

— [129:40.240 --> 130:04.820] connected it is. Like Fat Joe and these niggas. Fat Joe was in the comments saying, yo, I have no idea who 38 Specials is. I don't know if that's true or not, but you open the door now for people with platforms and voices, people who are connected. Fat Joe was a media darling. See, that's the other thing. Fat Joe was a media darling. Fat Joe was at the Garden. Fat Joe is on the Jenny Craig commercial. Fat Joe is hosting Wendy. Fat Joe, you don't know where you might see this. Selling hair products.

— [130:05.900 --> 130:08.300] He's got 30 years of relationships

— [130:08.840 --> 130:09.980] is all I'm saying.

— [130:10.440 --> 130:11.660] Why are we

— [130:12.040 --> 130:14.740] bothering him? We could, you could,

— [130:15.060 --> 130:15.800] You could.

— [130:16.800 --> 130:18.120] Ain't nobody unbotherable.

— [130:19.340 --> 130:25.920] Don't think that that's what I'm saying. Wait, hold on. You go ahead and stop, stop, stop. But here's the problem. Here's where I got to give a pushback.

— [130:26.360 --> 130:29.240] 50 came out shooting at niggas when he did the whole...

— [130:29.620 --> 130:31.160] How to rob. How to rob. I mean, it happens.

— [130:31.860 --> 130:33.220] People hit that

— [130:33.960 --> 130:35.260] road in their career.

— [130:35.620 --> 130:38.640] 50 came and shot at everybody. I think that working for 50... Regardless.

— [130:39.160 --> 130:40.780] Yo, ayo, da-da-da-da. N***a was upset,

— [130:41.740 --> 130:42.540] put hurdles,

— [130:42.860 --> 130:44.400] but he still overcame it,

— [130:44.740 --> 130:50.240] and He stood on it. I feel like that's his way of doing it. It's just a different time.

— [130:50.720 --> 130:57.620] Bro. It's a different time. I get what you say. You're speaking from a mature lens. You're speaking from a lens. I'm speaking to somebody that's 41, though.

— [130:58.260 --> 131:01.940] I didn't know that. Yeah, like I'm not saying that he's immature. I've never met him.

— [131:02.620 --> 131:07.880] I'm only going off what I'm seeing and how he's sounding. He don't sound like he has the greatest sense of humor.

— [131:09.280 --> 131:09.980] He sounds

— [131:10.600 --> 131:12.640] like he's ready to diss anybody.

— [131:13.440 --> 131:26.640] And he sound like he don't really give a fuck how anybody feels about anything that he's saying. And I'm saying that that's a dangerous place to be. Not saying that you'll be harmed, I'm saying that's a dangerous place to be. But not just that, yo, you going against,

— [131:27.380 --> 131:29.020] like, rappers that have

— [131:29.340 --> 131:31.740] rap media platforms that are

— [131:33.080 --> 131:34.940] successful in the media space,

— [131:35.340 --> 131:36.520] they don't want to help

— [131:37.120 --> 131:40.840] you. That's the problem. You get what I'm saying? Even without the verse. When you're independent,

— [131:41.500 --> 131:43.460] you've already turned that switch off.

— [131:43.780 --> 131:48.000] But that's the problem. When you're independent and angry. So now you want to, what I'm saying, would you want to piss them off?

— [131:48.680 --> 132:07.580] That switch is turned off though. I'm not looking for help. When I was looking for help, none of y'all helped. He even does go on to say on this shit, yo, can't none of y'all help me. You rappers, I hire you, whatever the fuck you're saying. It's like, well, slow down for a 2nd. Can't none of them help you? As an independent artist, if you get with another act

— [132:08.080 --> 132:14.120] Who can bring more audience than you can get that's a help Especially loved

— [132:14.700 --> 132:26.440] who has Huge fan bases now you may not want to help or feel like you need to help and you're not going out of your way To get it, but you can be helped like I don't again It's some of that some of that to interject

— [132:27.080 --> 132:31.740] and push back he was talking about how a lot of up-and-coming rappers aim for

— [132:32.780 --> 132:44.920] respect or an audience from other rappers and that should not be your goal your goal should be to get an audience from your fans and cater to them that's what he was speaking about that's true but in relationship to other artists but those other artists can help

— [132:45.280 --> 132:49.900] they can that if Drake is on your feature of course and you independent

— [132:50.200 --> 132:51.180] of obviously

— [132:52.920 --> 133:06.440] if kids were to do the record with him, there's a lot, like Fat Joe said, like you said, we don't know if he's joking or not, I don't know who this guy is. There's a lot of people who don't know who this guy is. But if it's Jadakiss feature, I might check it out.

— [133:06.940 --> 133:13.040] Oh, he is, especially with all the talk. Oh, this nigga's ill. That's why my whole thing is why are you not rapping?

— [133:14.280 --> 133:21.200] I keep going back to that. You keep talking about rap, you got eyes on you now, you got attention now. Rap!

— [133:21.620 --> 133:22.680] Hey, listen.

— [133:23.380 --> 133:33.920] Ice is telling you to rap, and that may be good advice. That's what I always do when my back was against the wall. I just started rapping. Hey, if niggas get hit, they get hit. Niggas want to come fight me, then we fight.

— [133:35.800 --> 133:37.280] That's it. But you're talking to people

— [133:38.140 --> 133:39.560] who are in

— [133:40.240 --> 133:40.740] make-a-record

— [133:41.140 --> 133:41.640] world.

— [133:43.460 --> 133:46.920] And the that scream, I'm independent, I'm independent, I'm independent,

— [133:47.260 --> 133:47.760] They

— [133:48.100 --> 133:53.640] almost say that so much, and I'm saying it because I was 1 of those people, and still am. But you almost say it like,

— [133:54.380 --> 134:00.940] I'm not playing the game that they're playing. That's true, but you are in the make a record game.

— [134:03.260 --> 134:03.760] Jadakiss,

— [134:05.180 --> 134:06.360] you saw verses,

— [134:07.220 --> 134:08.840] Foy's great rapping ability,

— [134:09.780 --> 134:10.280] he

— [134:10.940 --> 134:12.860] has a lot of records.

— [134:13.520 --> 134:14.020] Classics.

— [134:14.820 --> 134:17.200] Fat Joe with his fucking old ass ear

— [134:17.620 --> 134:18.120] still

— [134:18.500 --> 134:19.760] somehow knows

— [134:20.660 --> 134:22.880] how to make a record.

— [134:23.760 --> 134:24.260] Especially

— [134:25.680 --> 134:26.580] even independent.

— [134:28.040 --> 134:29.720] You don't have the record

— [134:31.260 --> 134:36.320] to say what you're saying to these people that are not gonna play the back-and-forth record game with you

— [134:36.640 --> 134:38.760] They in to make a record game

— [134:39.760 --> 134:42.020] Yo, I never got say it all time

— [134:42.540 --> 134:50.100] Pump it up came out. I was that nigga And I could rap and all the rapping to it. I was on Def Jam. That's when Def Jam met

— [134:50.500 --> 134:58.280] That hey, we over here play different than y'all don't play with us. We'll end you and I had a record So now I could rap

— [134:58.760 --> 134:59.980] And I had a record

— [135:00.820 --> 135:04.080] and I was walking around like I was doing something and

— [135:04.760 --> 135:07.860] Hope came and saw me in the office. He pulled me aside. He said hey

— [135:08.300 --> 135:12.840] It might have been the 1st time he ever said something significant really just a smug ass

— [135:13.900 --> 135:15.080] He said hey man

— [135:15.600 --> 135:16.740] that record you got,

— [135:17.560 --> 135:18.820] you're killing that shit.

— [135:20.660 --> 135:21.900] But can you keep going?

— [135:22.740 --> 135:23.460] And he walked off.

— [135:23.800 --> 135:24.300] It's

— [135:24.740 --> 135:25.920] like Jedi shit.

— [135:26.880 --> 135:30.840] And he walked off. They can hit you with a Yoda. And at the time I'm like,

— [135:33.440 --> 135:44.120] what the fuck was that about? But he was saying something that was so larger than macro. I was able to, then I was able to see, hey, you caught 1 awesome.

— [135:44.920 --> 135:48.340] Good for you, little rapping nigga. But this game we playing,

— [135:48.960 --> 135:51.080] can you have another 1 in a couple months?

— [135:51.560 --> 135:55.120] After that, can you keep the people listening to you? That ain't rapper

— [135:55.520 --> 135:56.060] time. So

— [135:56.440 --> 135:58.400] yeah, especially like a record,

— [135:58.980 --> 136:07.740] a good record, like a record record ain't going to hurt the independent artists. It ain't going to hurt the major artists. Like you have more in common with these people than

— [136:08.260 --> 136:09.020] is different

— [136:09.680 --> 136:16.800] is all. And I'm rooting for you. Again, I can't wait for you to come up here so I can speak to you and get a better understanding

— [136:17.400 --> 136:19.580] and hopefully give you some of this

— [136:19.980 --> 136:21.680] face to face. But in 2026,

— [136:22.440 --> 136:27.020] none of you rap to make all of the mistakes that me and your predecessors did.

— [136:27.440 --> 136:28.180] Y'all don't.

— [136:29.000 --> 136:34.100] Me and Rand went through this. Me and you got the example right next to you yo ran was there for me

— [136:34.400 --> 136:37.660] ran is there for you yo we did the internet

— [136:38.160 --> 136:38.660] beefing

— [136:39.360 --> 136:40.180] diss records

— [136:40.640 --> 136:42.420] show up to each other's blocks

— [136:43.260 --> 136:44.480] fight all this

— [136:44.840 --> 136:45.940] doofy goofy

— [136:46.620 --> 136:47.920] but what it was exhausting

— [136:48.780 --> 136:56.720] It was exhausting by the time we fucking met up in Starlitz and had the talk and he's like, yo I'm going to jail, they told me you ratted on me, all that shit really exhausted, changed my life.

— [136:57.200 --> 136:58.780] No it wasn't, it was Starlitz.

— [137:00.900 --> 137:04.060] See, you wasn't. I was there. You what, then you was in Starlitz.

— [137:04.620 --> 137:22.640] You was there, you was in Starlark. When you used to come outside with me. When you was able to come outside. Now, the white lady put it down. I don't feel like, there you go. That was cool. It's time for our favorite part of the show. But anyway, I'm just saying, you get older, you see these people, when I seen Banks, anybody I have a beef with, when I seen them, it was like, yo, dog, that shit was so exhausting.

— [137:23.280 --> 137:30.940] That shit's just tiring. It's tiring, so I didn't want to do that shit. It's whack special. Love you Hope to talk to you soon. Yeah, come on.

— [137:31.340 --> 137:31.840] Yeah

— [137:32.300 --> 137:34.900] Yeah, but be friendlier than you was up there with S.O.I.

— [137:35.580 --> 137:39.980] I'm about laughs and fun. Don't come up here all extra angry,

— [137:40.480 --> 137:46.340] extra agitated. I ain't with none of that shit. I'm with a good vibe, god damn it. And please don't diss me.

— [137:48.080 --> 138:03.300] Please don't diss me. I'm chilling, man. I don't want no smoke with nobody. I'm just trying to offer help. That's 1 of my problems when I listen to the podcast back and I hear my voice. And sometimes I sound like I'm speaking with such conviction. It sound like I sound like some type of know-it-all that's

— [138:04.380 --> 138:15.680] judging everybody from their actions. And I hate sounding like that, because what I'm really trying to sound like is just a n***a that's been through some of this stuff. So I identify. So here, let me try to help a little bit, and hopefully I have.

— [138:16.740 --> 138:26.640] What else is there? What else is there? Let's get Mark in the game. My part of the year is quiet. Let's get the part of the year sage rapper advice I'm not a sage rapper. You know me you never wrote a verse of course

— [138:27.200 --> 138:31.240] You remember how started I know it was some scientific madness open that 1

— [138:31.840 --> 138:35.980] You remember how started of course I still I still have freestyle in my head.

— [138:36.580 --> 138:38.040] Oh we gotta hear some of that.

— [138:38.600 --> 138:41.560] I just want to open the line. E3's on the mic.

— [138:42.820 --> 138:48.060] Come on can we get to open the bar? No. But ahhhh. He's like ahhhh boo.

— [138:53.240 --> 138:56.820] Things I've learned about this podcast. It's the same space. It is.

— [138:57.200 --> 139:02.260] Very safe space. Very safe. I've never felt safer. Get it. No, anyway, you were saying. Conor McGregor,

— [139:03.260 --> 139:14.180] you weren't at the show. I thought maybe you were watching the fight. I was gonna ask you if you peeped it. I saw it. I didn't watch the fight, but I saw what happened. You ain't missed much. You saw the fight then. It was pretty much, everybody was hyping up this Conor McGregor

— [139:15.000 --> 139:15.500] pay-per-view

— [139:16.620 --> 139:19.060] fight. I wasn't gonna watch it. I'm sort of,

— [139:19.400 --> 139:24.140] I really like Conor McGregor as a fighter, but as a human being, not so much so I don't watch him.

— [139:25.440 --> 139:29.720] But that fight lasted just a few seconds. He got this nasty leg injury.

— [139:30.740 --> 139:36.640] And, which is if look, he blew out his knee. He blew out his knee. It looked like his right knee, if I remember correctly.

— [139:36.960 --> 139:39.120] And a lot of people thought that it was a

— [139:39.440 --> 139:46.420] Conspiracy like that. He didn't just happen to get injured at the beginning of the fight But that it was just a hustle to get everybody money and to get him out of there.

— [139:47.020 --> 139:51.960] Well, what do y'all think? I don't know if y'all saw it. I didn't watch that, but I'm not a UFC guy. Me neither.

— [139:52.580 --> 139:58.100] I don't really watch, but I can see the scam happening, if that's the case. It makes sense. Retired?

— [139:58.680 --> 139:59.600] Yeah, and so

— [140:00.060 --> 140:07.140] That was kind of the hustle, like, not the hustle, that was the buildup, like, he's out the game, he's back, he's 1 of our most visible fighters, we fresh off the 250,

— [140:07.620 --> 140:12.000] you know, at the White House. Let's get this straight. Like, what, I ain't hot, nigga. Yeah,

— [140:12.700 --> 140:15.120] and he came out looking every bit his age.

— [140:16.240 --> 140:20.200] So, what I read, it was 2 different points. It was 1 that

— [140:20.960 --> 140:22.940] He might have gotten hurt during training

— [140:23.800 --> 140:33.060] And they just masked it so that the fight can continue on because so many resources have already been pumped into Right moan the fight and they want to lay in the fight on so they ain't wanna

— [140:33.520 --> 140:36.540] you know I mean because then they would have lost bread as a collective

— [140:37.300 --> 140:39.060] so in that instance

— [140:39.360 --> 140:47.020] I could see that happening but I don't think he necessarily did it for himself for the bag I think that niggas ego might be a little too big mmm

— [140:47.660 --> 140:50.440] Went out there thinking I could still go? You thinking? Like...

— [140:51.820 --> 141:08.580] I don't think he would have damaged his legacy or his brand by just doing some shit like that for the bag. I don't know him. Yeah, it depends how big the bag is. That is true. Yeah. That's a whole lot of people that I did that I'm gonna do legacy for yeah in 20 30 million You don't take a lot. You're right. That's true. That's a lot. Yeah, definitely

— [141:10.760 --> 141:12.220] What it's right

— [141:13.240 --> 141:13.740] Damages

— [141:16.020 --> 141:16.520] To

— [141:17.520 --> 141:24.160] Yeah, Which is why I don't watch him, by the way. That's the reason why I don't support him, because it's assault stuff. Got marked, here we go, come back around.

— [141:25.020 --> 141:33.400] That's what I said, as a fighter, I like them as a human being, I don't. That's what I was talking about. I just wanna use that. I don't wanna put a trigger word because I care about the psyches of our audience. Yeah, you can't forget about them.

— [141:33.720 --> 141:34.220] But,

— [141:34.700 --> 141:45.680] yeah, man, anyway, man, we ain't got to talk about it, but since we're talking about scams, isn't that? It looked like a scam. Listen, I'm all for a good scam. I don't really fuck Conor McGregor. I don't give a fuck about what's happening with him, But

— [141:46.060 --> 142:01.160] I'm for a good scam. It looked like his leg was fucked up. It looked like his opponent kept trying to have mercy on him He's like yo, he's done. Please in this shit. Yeah, but I think like y'all said that could have got done in training for the fight I think it's too much money at stake. They wasn't calling that shit up. They wasn't

— [142:01.740 --> 142:11.780] putting that on the injury report Yeah, especially for UFC because you go snaps for shit When you like like it's not you know, I mean certain like if it's a traditional boxing you might feel differently about it But you see you can say it happened in the fight.

— [142:12.260 --> 142:19.020] There's a big chance of it happening in the fight. It's our greatest marketer who's off a 5 year hiatus.

— [142:20.040 --> 142:24.440] Yeah, I'm looking at the cash register. I'm not really, I'm not a down, no, no.

— [142:25.240 --> 142:28.940] Hey, suppress that. Don't tell us all. Icy hot. Word, word.

— [142:29.280 --> 142:33.160] Right. Just get out there and get the ring. Go put some ice on it. Can you walk? Then walk out.

— [142:33.760 --> 142:42.700] Can you get in your fighting stance at least? If you give me 3 seconds of fighting stance. It's like a con I'll do you 1 better. I'll even start out with a flying kick. They're really not suspected me. Oh

— [142:44.380 --> 142:45.500] If you could do that,

— [142:45.860 --> 142:48.860] if you can start with a flying kick after that we can end this shit

— [142:51.040 --> 142:53.300] Yeah, I think I think that's what Dana way

— [142:54.560 --> 143:00.780] I don't see it. I'm not a world. It was an oh my god. I can't believe this. Oh, please

— [143:01.240 --> 143:01.740] Yes

— [143:02.640 --> 143:07.100] We found even better scam than that. Yeah, man. Let's talk about the real scam. Yeah, man, yeah, man.

— [143:07.740 --> 143:19.640] My guy, Bussi, man, they got him. Bussi, man, oh, man. They got him, yo. Bussi went out. Say, they. He parted? He's saying they got him, like he's not they. Bussi they? Yes, Bussi's they. Oh, huh?

— [143:20.020 --> 143:25.880] They got Bussi. Break it down. How you think they got him? I'm about to tell you. Boosie went out and paid

— [143:26.280 --> 143:27.180] 600, 000. 600, 000

— [143:27.900 --> 143:28.780] to 2

— [143:29.460 --> 143:31.860] right wing To them. To

— [143:32.300 --> 143:34.000] them. In an attempt to get him a partying.

— [143:34.340 --> 143:37.400] They told him that they'd be able to get him a partying from Trump

— [143:38.140 --> 143:41.640] for his charge, so he paid them 600 grand. Sheesh,

— [143:42.120 --> 143:47.260] I wish he'd have called me. I could have gotten him a non-partying. I told him somebody had to connect me with Boozy. I can get it done for 250.

— [143:48.800 --> 144:04.840] Well, and now he's suing them for 300 grand. He want at least 0.5 of that back. How you come with that number? I guess it was in the contract that you're supposed to get 0.5 back. I'm gonna give you this brain. Oh, gotcha, cause I'm like, you scammed me for 6, I'll settle at 0.25 for 3. Look at Asher,

— [144:06.000 --> 144:09.220] he can't believe this. Hey, yo, hey, dog,

— [144:09.840 --> 144:11.340] We just embarrass ourselves sometimes.

— [144:12.260 --> 144:12.760] Yo,

— [144:13.100 --> 144:13.600] what?

— [144:14.240 --> 144:22.080] You know niggas is high-fiving like a mother. That shit clear. Hold up, dawg. Time out. How you going to sue a nigga for some shit that's illegal in the 1st place?

— [144:23.800 --> 144:33.540] Because he figured they doing all this illegal shit you see on the news. I'm going to come to court and say, yo, I tried to bribe this person to do something that's illegal, but I want 0.5 of my money back.

— [144:34.080 --> 144:41.700] Yeah. Is it technically illegal? I don't know, I'm asking. I don't know. Or is it like lobbying? Like I'm gonna lobby for you. For me to take some money for you, from you,

— [144:42.540 --> 144:53.800] and say, yo, I'm gonna use my connection with the president to get you a pardon. It sounds illegal. I don't think it's legal. Maybe it is. I don't think it is actually. They might've dressed it up a little differently. I'm not sure, because the pardon is legal.

— [144:54.580 --> 144:55.880] Mark the mic, please.

— [144:56.280 --> 144:58.020] The pardon is legal, right?

— [144:58.740 --> 145:00.700] And me lobbying on your behalf is legal.

— [145:01.140 --> 145:08.940] So I'm not sure why me taking money to lobby on your behalf is legal. And if it wasn't legal, then it's not illegal with this administration.

— [145:09.600 --> 145:10.100] Exactly.

— [145:10.560 --> 145:19.080] You know what time it is? But I'm gonna come to court and say y'all want 0.5 of my bread back? Yeah. That's what makes me think it's illegal. I don't know, so let me say that clear. I don't know. It's not illegal?

— [145:20.140 --> 145:23.840] I don't think it is. It might not be. I can't think of any part of it that would be.

— [145:24.380 --> 145:56.520] Okay. I can't think of any part of it. Sounds like bribery to me, but I could be wrong. But it's not bribe, because remember. Oh, you're not bribing the president. No, you're not bribing the president. You're bribing the president. Got it. I'm asking you to advocate for me. Got you. You know him. I mean, I was saying why. Talk to your man and get me and have your man hook me up. Well, if you was asking me to advocate for you, then the result wouldn't matter. Then the result wouldn't matter. I try it ain't work. So what money are you entitled to? And that could be. And that's where the devil's in the details. That could be where he feels scammed at. He said maybe you didn't advocate for him. Maybe you never were going to. Maybe this wasn't something you were ever gonna do. You just took my money and sat on it. Or I did and he sat down. Or I came to

— [145:57.460 --> 145:58.360] you, in our conversation,

— [145:58.680 --> 146:00.340] I told you, yo, I could definitely

— [146:00.860 --> 146:04.020] make this happen. I gave you a guarantee, yo, for 600, I got

— [146:04.440 --> 146:18.340] you. He'll do it. That's my man, I know how to, we got this. Pay me that, you'll get your part. And when that never came, it's like, oh, he ain't do it. So now that's why he might feel scammed just because he don't know the game. Might be. Because Washington is designed

— [146:18.680 --> 146:19.460] to have

— [146:21.540 --> 146:23.200] basically bribery be legal.

— [146:23.560 --> 146:27.100] That's what lobbying is the whole way. I'll pay you and then you go

— [146:27.440 --> 146:31.600] get this law passed. I mean, it's literally what it is. Clay Davis. Exactly.

— [146:32.140 --> 146:37.840] So again, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't want to say it, but it would seem to me that as long as President Trump don't get the money, it's not illegal.

— [146:38.500 --> 146:45.880] It sounds like Boosie, I mean, he definitely got scammed. It sounds like people who had no intention of ever helping him. Yes. Or if I say, yo, I got in line to the president and I don't.

— [146:46.220 --> 146:46.720] Yes.

— [146:47.200 --> 146:48.720] But that's still not, you know what I'm saying,

— [146:49.080 --> 147:00.500] it's not illegal. I don't think I'm not. It's a lie, it ain't illegal, it's just a lie. It's just a lie, that's all I'm saying. I'm not convinced it's illegal, I think it's just a- We got it, yo. Yeah, so if that's the case, I think he can go to court. He might get it back.

— [147:00.920 --> 147:03.400] He might get 0.5 back. To me it's just so embarrassing.

— [147:05.380 --> 147:10.460] Well if you're facing some years, I would take any measure I can to try to not get any years. I'd be embarrassed.

— [147:11.280 --> 147:13.300] I'm okay being embarrassed. At home. Yeah.

— [147:15.560 --> 147:16.060] What's

— [147:16.860 --> 147:17.520] the charge?

— [147:18.440 --> 147:19.560] It was a gun charge.

— [147:19.940 --> 147:24.060] I double checked. I'm gonna check it real fast. He had a gun. He was shooting a video and they, right?

— [147:24.380 --> 147:26.780] Yeah. And they saw him with a gun. Yeah.

— [147:28.340 --> 147:30.300] Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely try that.

— [147:32.080 --> 147:33.340] Yeah, it was possession

— [147:33.660 --> 147:35.280] of a firearm as a felon.

— [147:35.700 --> 147:36.660] Got it. Yeah.

— [147:39.220 --> 147:41.260] He picked the wrong time to do it too.

— [147:41.920 --> 147:44.660] I think if he had just went around like the other rappers did,

— [147:45.880 --> 147:56.020] just vote for Trump. Took some pictures. Took some pictures. Did a little bit of lobbying. I think he'd have been just, exactly. I think he'd have been just on. We could almost edit my commentary on any Boosie topic just drop it

— [147:57.620 --> 148:00.180] it's the same every it's exactly the same I'm

— [148:00.640 --> 148:08.240] even listen to you Oh damn what he did that he wanted already had a gun at the video shoot as a felon Oh, you could have took my take from

— [148:15.640 --> 148:18.360] Yeah, who's is entertaining though, yeah that is

— [148:20.500 --> 148:23.460] Yes, yes, what's the most What's the most you've been scammed for?

— [148:24.640 --> 148:25.140] $25.

— [148:25.600 --> 148:26.100] $25.

— [148:26.600 --> 148:33.660] No, I'm joking. I don't know if Tom Nye. No, it was 1 afternoon in Times Square where the three-car money nigga had a grip on me

— [148:35.140 --> 148:38.160] I just couldn't come to grips with what was happening.

— [148:38.500 --> 148:40.340] I just kept putting hundreds down

— [148:41.440 --> 148:50.580] Yeah, when I tried to figure it out my old childhood was me trying to figure that was young. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay I was young. Okay. Okay, that's not my whole childhood was just me trying to figure it out on my own

— [148:51.280 --> 148:53.160] Niggas was good at that shit. Yeah

— [148:56.720 --> 148:58.060] It's a group of them together

— [148:59.380 --> 149:03.620] As a group, I was on my way uptown to cops and drugs. I spent all my cop money. Damn.

— [149:04.240 --> 149:06.360] Yeah, had to go back home. Wow.

— [149:07.360 --> 149:08.440] On high as

— [149:09.540 --> 149:12.380] hell. You already mad. 3 cops. You can't get

— [149:13.460 --> 149:13.960] high.

— [149:14.480 --> 149:16.940] I got scammed for my Facebook page before, nigga.

— [149:18.080 --> 149:25.240] Right during about to be COVID. She never showed up? No, nigga, nah, not a girl. I got scammed for my Facebook page. Like, quick as... Who wanked?

— [149:26.100 --> 149:32.580] Girl. They told me that was gonna make a lot of money and shit, 1 of them shit. Oh. 0. They got the business link and all that signed up.

— [149:33.420 --> 149:43.220] Shout out to Ian though. Ian just introduced me to some other people. Oh, that's what's up. So he's working on getting my face to Patreon 6 years ago. Oh, that's what's up, man. Shout out to Ian, man. Ian invited me to some other event. You rapping niggas

— [149:43.620 --> 149:44.120] that

— [149:44.700 --> 149:45.640] was selling the drops?

— [149:46.060 --> 149:48.500] Huh? I'm shouting out the white man. Don't interrupt

— [149:50.240 --> 149:54.680] Thank you shout the end again man. Yeah, you white niggas. I mean not now white

— [149:56.240 --> 149:56.740] 7

— [150:10.220 --> 150:15.240] The ones that would do it a drug the ones that kept recycling the verses too to the ones in the DMs.

— [150:15.640 --> 150:17.860] Yeah. Oh shit. They call some

— [150:18.420 --> 150:26.600] of my mans like that. That's the worst feeling in the world, when some bum rapper give you the brown bag money for a verse, and then you give him the verse, and then you hear the song somewhere.

— [150:27.780 --> 150:32.940] He wasn't supposed to give you that shit. Like, God damn. They had a PR budget. These niggas had the money for

— [150:33.900 --> 150:35.340] a little radio run.

— [150:36.600 --> 150:37.500] Oh, shit.

— [150:38.760 --> 150:39.260] Oh,

— [150:40.520 --> 150:48.980] man. That's what he is. I always appreciate a good scam. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. I do. 600's a nice 1, boy. That's a nice scam, boy. 6?

— [150:49.500 --> 150:50.000] Mm-hmm.

— [150:50.380 --> 150:54.940] I mean, it's 2 guys, so they had to split it. I do need somebody else to come out and tell me that that's what happened with Busey.

— [150:56.320 --> 151:00.040] Can't just take it from him? No. Oh, you think he could be making up the whole shit?

— [151:01.460 --> 151:03.040] Dog, I believe Busey.

— [151:05.280 --> 151:07.580] Is it? I saw a video of

— [151:07.960 --> 151:10.560] someone trying to break in Boosie's house

— [151:11.020 --> 151:17.580] and the dog came and attacked the intruder and saved the house. Boosie put that video out

— [151:19.140 --> 151:35.320] And that was the most staged looking video I had ever seen in my life. And I said, yeah, I said, oh, if a nigga will stay there, Busey's like Jussie Smollett to me. Oh, shit. Is he the same? He'll fake some shit just for fuck's sake. Just to get it going on the album. Yeah, so I can't believe none these a and 600k

— [151:35.660 --> 151:36.980] on the pardon tip

— [151:38.940 --> 151:43.360] To go or too high it wouldn't make sense to me it would if I never have intentions

— [151:44.660 --> 151:46.420] If I could pay you 600000

— [151:46.420 --> 151:47.340] to get a pardon

— [151:48.260 --> 151:50.540] Puff could have paid 6000000 and got a part.

— [151:51.160 --> 152:01.660] Other people that got way more money than Boosie could have paid more money and gotten a part. Different charges though. Yo, hey Boosie, your name is right, there's a list of people that's not ever getting a part.

— [152:02.560 --> 152:03.420] It's you

— [152:04.620 --> 152:05.940] Lil Nas X

— [152:06.660 --> 152:07.980] and the Tiger King.

— [152:09.920 --> 152:12.700] The Tiger King is still mad he ain't get partied.

— [152:14.040 --> 152:16.520] Avery, little man, what's his name, Avery?

— [152:16.860 --> 152:22.840] Steven Avery, all them niggas. Steven Avery still in jail, all them niggas not getting a partied. That's what it is, the Tiger King, yeah.

— [152:23.300 --> 152:46.600] Once they got to, oh, then that's who I'm talking about. Oh, I might be talking about the Thai King, dude. The Thai King is the guy with the animal. Stephen Avery is the guy that did time, came home, and he said that the whole government he's in there for life now forgot what it was got weird Netflix doc the Netflix how to how to make it a make a murderer I forgot it was it was lit in like 2018 yeah oh yeah making just a point of murder

— [152:46.940 --> 152:49.520] yeah just a point of fact I did it quick

— [152:49.940 --> 152:51.680] It was early in the Netflix murder.

— [152:52.060 --> 152:59.000] Just a quick update is what I thought. It's a lobbying firm, and it is legal to do this. He just, there's a clause in the contract that says if

— [152:59.420 --> 153:06.100] we don't get you your money, if we don't get you the thing, you get 50% back. And they're saying that isn't really in the contract

— [153:06.480 --> 153:07.660] Boosie 300000

— [153:07.660 --> 153:09.660] I can put your name at the top of the list

— [153:10.560 --> 153:14.020] Now what happens when it gets to the top that's beyond my my

— [153:14.440 --> 153:20.040] Control my reach They told him you're making real movement through Washington right now. We're really making a move.

— [153:21.600 --> 153:22.400] I'm dead ass.

— [153:24.380 --> 153:25.220] They said we...

— [153:25.940 --> 153:34.460] He says that they told him they had a direct line. That was the issue was that they made it seem like he had a direct line in Trump. This is the exact thing that the the rappers are doing this is like I'm straight

— [153:38.400 --> 153:40.540] This is string of and clay Davis

— [153:45.860 --> 153:46.540] See 75

— [153:46.860 --> 153:49.260] grand I can get you TSA pre-check

— [153:52.520 --> 153:58.780] 150 grand I can get you that global pass. What is the global pass? Global entry. Global, I can get you global entry.

— [154:00.060 --> 154:01.160] You got global entry?

— [154:02.860 --> 154:04.440] How you gonna see over in London?

— [154:05.100 --> 154:13.180] It's a regular pass going, nigga. In the regular line, look. He ain't got no global entry. He can pay for a pre-check, right? I got a pre-check.

— [154:14.160 --> 154:17.940] The clear check ain't Clear. It's only domestic. You got clear?

— [154:18.260 --> 154:23.340] Are you gonna? That's the 1. 0 yeah, you need clear. And you clear. You stole my fucking joke.

— [154:23.720 --> 154:29.120] Huh? You stole my fucking joke, man. You didn't hit it fast enough. I was trying to pace it. I stole it. Yeah.

— [154:29.540 --> 154:48.820] You buddy passing into London? Or like you spending some money? He got the companion pass out the window. That's what I'm asking him. Buddy, it's different from companion. Oh, are you companion passing out there? Spend money on a companion pass. Spend money on a companion pass. Who you going out there with, by yourself? My girl. That's right. Yeah. How can she clean it down the ring? That's right. Yeah, Ish.

— [154:49.400 --> 154:51.800] I like it. She like Jay-Z? Ish, she like Jay-Z?

— [154:52.380 --> 154:55.040] She does that. Oh, she's supporting you. The world like Jay-Z.

— [154:55.860 --> 154:56.440] Got you.

— [154:57.300 --> 154:58.540] How long you going to be out there?

— [154:59.160 --> 154:59.840] 4 days.

— [155:01.160 --> 155:02.540] Oh, good. All right.

— [155:02.920 --> 155:03.760] Couple strip?

— [155:04.740 --> 155:06.220] No, just me and my girlfriend.

— [155:07.700 --> 155:10.940] That's dope. You can actually kick it. I'm coming

— [155:11.480 --> 155:12.700] out there, nigga. I'm

— [155:13.780 --> 155:14.560] coming out there.

— [155:15.180 --> 155:17.420] Yo, I feel like we commit a crime by

— [155:21.600 --> 155:22.880] Like Robin a bank

— [155:27.880 --> 155:29.360] He's taking the camera yeah,

— [155:29.800 --> 155:32.020] I don't go to girl though. I'm not on

— [155:32.440 --> 155:34.900] you gonna be as a love potion shit or rapid hands

— [155:37.620 --> 155:38.760] Depending on the song.

— [155:39.880 --> 155:40.740] Can I live?

— [155:43.520 --> 155:48.460] We asking a question. So you gonna be on some cool shit. It's a love song. It's a love shit. It's a hood amp. All you gonna do.

— [155:48.840 --> 155:49.380] All right.

— [155:50.100 --> 155:57.440] Can't wait to see you, bro. Yeah, that's it, man. Girl, can't wait to hear about it. All right, what else, what else, what else, what else? At the back of Charlamagne?

— [155:57.840 --> 156:13.580] Or you wanna do that on Patreon? No, hell no, we ain't doing that on Patreon. What the hell is wrong with you? We fucking waited all this time for this fuck down and we got it. Y'all didn't sound too enthused. So no, no, it was a good sit down. It was. I know a lot of people worry that it was going to be all

— [156:14.040 --> 156:15.980] kind of stage performative kumbaya

— [156:16.480 --> 156:18.300] because they talked ahead of time,

— [156:19.140 --> 156:19.740] according to reports,

— [156:20.340 --> 156:21.920] my report, you told me

— [156:22.860 --> 156:23.820] that. And so

— [156:24.520 --> 156:26.020] I was surprised at how,

— [156:26.600 --> 156:27.240] what's the word?

— [156:27.980 --> 156:28.480] Transparent.

— [156:29.280 --> 156:38.280] Combative. Yeah, I was gonna say spicy, but I was trying to find a more masculine way of saying it, but it was good. Chippy. I liked it. I thought, not that it's a competition, but I thought Charlamagne got the upper

— [156:38.700 --> 156:50.420] hand in terms of his responses. I thought the same. I thought so, too. I thought so, too. Yeah. But I mean, he was kind of giving him OG advice at some point. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He turned into that. You're right. The upper hand is not the right word. But he,

— [156:50.740 --> 156:52.840] I didn't know how. That's upper hand too.

— [156:53.340 --> 156:59.340] Yeah. That is upper hand. I'll just say that Charlamagne came away looking strong and some of the stuff that made it look questionable beforehand,

— [157:00.260 --> 157:02.460] afterward. Well, Just to give 1

— [157:03.080 --> 157:03.840] concrete example,

— [157:04.280 --> 157:06.140] academics had talked about before

— [157:06.760 --> 157:11.900] on his live stream how Charlemagne had advised him to walk off the show, to walk off y'all show.

— [157:13.280 --> 157:14.720] And that does sound

— [157:16.140 --> 157:18.920] like questionable advice to give somebody without context.

— [157:19.240 --> 157:22.100] Charlamagne gave his side of that, which was,

— [157:22.600 --> 157:23.260] you know,

— [157:23.800 --> 157:26.640] you're calling me, as well I'm watching the show,

— [157:26.940 --> 157:42.880] you're being treated in this way. If you're being treated in this way, you should establish a value by leaving. I didn't say walk off in the middle of a show, but I was saying like walk away if you feel like you're not being respected. There's some disagreement about the details, but when you put it in that context, it didn't sound like he was giving him kamikaze advice, it sounded like he was giving him

— [157:43.440 --> 157:49.320] some big homie advice. You can agree or disagree about who's right, but him giving his side,

— [157:49.740 --> 157:52.400] to me, he came away looking good. He came away looking strong.

— [157:52.830 --> 157:53.330] I

— [157:53.760 --> 157:57.700] know when we 1st heard they were gonna sit down, I was saying I didn't want them to do it publicly.

— [157:58.520 --> 157:59.020] And

— [157:59.540 --> 158:04.940] 1 of them, I think it was Charlamagne, made a real good point. He was like, you know, we doing this to put it out because

— [158:05.460 --> 158:12.940] once they go back to their corners, then they'll come out and say, yeah, we talked and this happened. Now you're giving 2 different versions of it and nobody really gets to see it. So

— [158:13.540 --> 158:21.720] I walked that back. That was a really good decision to put this shit up. It was. And a great content piece. Yeah, for sure. They led up to something,

— [158:22.180 --> 158:23.960] the anticipation was high,

— [158:24.440 --> 158:27.220] and then they dropped it. And they delivered it. I appreciate

— [158:27.640 --> 158:35.340] that. Much like Mark, I felt like Charlamagne got the better of him. Charlamagne with his clear skin and lotion skin is a different monster to deal with than old f***ing Cashew Charlamagne.

— [158:35.660 --> 158:38.360] Like this guy looked just present,

— [158:38.860 --> 158:39.360] aware,

— [158:40.180 --> 158:44.180] he looked on point, he looked like he had, Charlamagne is in the radio all the fame.

— [158:44.840 --> 158:47.300] Charlamagne sound like he was logical and rational.

— [158:47.960 --> 158:51.420] He sounded like a real adult. Elder statesman kind of. He sounded, yeah,

— [158:52.020 --> 158:52.520] exactly.

— [158:52.980 --> 158:56.780] And I guess for me, I was expecting Ak, like I was

— [158:57.640 --> 158:59.660] believing the newspaper clippings.

— [159:00.180 --> 159:07.240] Ak was in his room sounding like, yo, I'm number 1 now. The people who I looked up to, I'm Nat now.

— [159:07.780 --> 159:24.160] And I'm coming in there to really lay it down. I'm on Drake's side, you on Roc Nation's side. I don't like the lies you over there telling. And you should sit, he probably won't sit face to face with me because I'll expose him and be so honest and transparent. I was believing some of that mix.

— [159:24.640 --> 159:27.480] So when they got there and Charlamagne is just

— [159:28.460 --> 159:29.400] using logic.

— [159:29.840 --> 159:30.560] Yeah. Yeah.

— [159:31.240 --> 159:44.180] Yeah. When he's like, yes, I look up to Jay-Z and if he asked me to be a part of a business venture, I 100% would love to do that. If Drake asked you to be a part of a business venture, wouldn't you love to do that?

— [159:44.600 --> 159:53.280] Like, He just kept, some people call it spin master shit, but what he was able to do to all of Axe's main

— [159:53.660 --> 159:56.780] points was just make them look really insignificant,

— [159:57.800 --> 159:59.180] look really small.

— [160:00.300 --> 160:04.020] The George point with the, yo, all these lawsuits are coming.

— [160:04.340 --> 160:07.260] Hey, real quick, what are the names on the lawsuits?

— [160:08.060 --> 160:13.940] Because you keep saying, Rock Nation, Rock Nation, Rock Nation, and that's really where he held them to the fire, and

— [160:14.540 --> 160:22.040] he kept saying, yo, you're on the internet saying that Roc Nation's trying to kill you. You was coming up here with security guards because Roc Nation's saying, yo,

— [160:22.740 --> 160:41.100] you're the only person saying this. Jay-Z don't know you. If he do know you, he ain't talking about you. He ain't thinking about you. Dez ain't said nothing about you. Like where are you getting the stuff from? What names are on the actual lawsuit so you could tell your audience hey these are the people that are suing and this is why they're suing no but then he said

— [160:41.680 --> 160:42.440] yo dog

— [160:42.860 --> 160:43.360] if

— [160:43.680 --> 160:46.120] you think these people are really trying to kill you

— [160:47.680 --> 160:49.320] it ever cross your mind to stop

— [160:50.740 --> 160:53.020] Like if I think a nigga trying to kill me, I'm gonna stop.

— [160:53.500 --> 160:55.240] If I'm not willing to kill them back.

— [160:56.080 --> 161:02.660] That's just old head brain. Like if you think that this entity has all of these tentacles and all of this influence,

— [161:03.380 --> 161:04.740] cool, you may be right.

— [161:05.280 --> 161:09.160] So start playing with them. And then I call it give you a heads

— [161:09.480 --> 161:11.260] up because you're my man

— [161:11.820 --> 161:14.040] and somehow you turn that into

— [161:15.340 --> 161:23.120] I'm working with these people and we trying to bring you down and hey Where is your proof of these things that you keep saying on internet?

— [161:23.720 --> 161:24.640] Like that was

— [161:24.940 --> 161:40.520] a point that he kept driving home and listen I think that act may have had some valid points Like when he started talking about when he was trying to say that rock nation is fighting like a proxy battle So he'll never have the the names of the evidence to support. They're fighting. I think that if act

— [161:40.900 --> 161:43.460] Could have flushed out his thought process

— [161:44.180 --> 161:48.300] He may have delivered that talking point better, but he didn't.

— [161:49.060 --> 161:50.880] Also, the website that Charlemagne

— [161:51.400 --> 161:55.680] pulled up where when Ak went home, he said, hey, this is an AI website.

— [161:56.200 --> 162:01.420] This website was created a couple days ago. Charlemagne wouldn't know that. That's fine when you back to your headquarters

— [162:01.840 --> 162:04.080] saying it. But in the moment

— [162:04.700 --> 162:07.840] when Charlamagne said, I think this is a credible website,

— [162:08.900 --> 162:13.740] you didn't give any of that. So it's about how it looked on air. Charlamagne

— [162:14.240 --> 162:14.740] also

— [162:15.060 --> 162:17.380] looks like he listens better than that.

— [162:18.980 --> 162:23.700] That's important when you're talking to somebody. I'm not saying that he does listen better. I'm saying he looks

— [162:24.060 --> 162:24.560] like

— [162:25.240 --> 162:30.160] he listens better. And then by the time he was able to paint you as this paranoid

— [162:30.760 --> 162:33.000] manic person, now we've lost the plot.

— [162:33.580 --> 162:35.240] Where he, now we've lost the plot.

— [162:35.720 --> 162:36.420] Where he,

— [162:37.120 --> 162:40.100] when he was breaking down the Drake shit to him, he was like, yo,

— [162:40.460 --> 162:46.860] I caught, you know, trying to give them the heads up about the reference tracks. He was saying the way Drake handled it, so you can get ahead of it.

— [162:47.260 --> 162:53.360] They were prepared for it. They took it, basically jumped on offense and was able to, when they did come out, they was cool.

— [162:54.220 --> 163:02.520] He kind of tied it back, and I think Ak missed it the way he was doing. He kind of tied it right back to him. Yo, I called you to give you a heads up, and instead of being prepared with the information,

— [163:02.840 --> 163:08.360] you was more concerned with where I got it from. And because I didn't give you that up, it just became a versus me.

— [163:08.700 --> 163:13.940] And you missed, you kind of missed the whole, this whole blew up because you focused on the wrong thing.

— [163:14.680 --> 163:18.820] Like if somebody called, If 1 of y'all called me like, yo, such and such is about to happen,

— [163:19.700 --> 163:25.000] cool, I might want to know where you got it from, but I also want to prepare for that. Later, tell me that later. Later we'll deal with that

— [163:25.480 --> 163:34.780] part. And that's where it kinda, it seemed like it just went left between the 2 of them. Soon as I called you with this, your man is on my neck the next day. Charlamagne was better just cross-examining.

— [163:35.140 --> 163:40.120] Like, yo, I'm going to take the information you saying, I'm going to process the information in real time,

— [163:40.600 --> 163:42.620] and now I'm going to say, OK, you just said X.

— [163:44.440 --> 163:48.460] And it kind of stumbled at him. He couldn't take it.

— [163:50.380 --> 163:53.920] Listen, I kinda felt there's something, I kinda felt something was a little,

— [163:54.480 --> 163:58.040] once they did the interview and Act was the person to come back to the internet

— [163:58.380 --> 163:58.880] 1st

— [163:59.280 --> 164:03.660] with his thoughts on how it went, I've never seen that go well.

— [164:04.060 --> 164:06.640] I've never seen the person that reports back 1st,

— [164:07.100 --> 164:10.600] 1, give an accurate depiction of what the fuck just happened, and 2,

— [164:12.340 --> 164:21.080] yeah, give an accurate depiction of what just happened. And then we see it And say, oh, everything that person said was, I've never seen that happen. So yeah, it just,

— [164:21.600 --> 164:22.260] it didn't.

— [164:23.260 --> 164:28.120] And I knew that even from when Charlamagne was like, yo, I'll talk to you in person. It's like, oh,

— [164:28.680 --> 164:29.660] you gotta be.

— [164:30.860 --> 164:37.300] And that's the other thing about Ak, which is the point that I keep trying to tell him that he don't listen to me because

— [164:37.620 --> 164:39.200] he does really love Charlamagne.

— [164:39.760 --> 164:44.960] Yeah, you can tell. You love him. You can see it. You can tell. He said it. Not only does he love him, which is important. He has a deep,

— [164:45.480 --> 164:45.980] deep,

— [164:46.500 --> 164:47.000] deep,

— [164:47.380 --> 164:50.100] deep respect for that man. I can tell. Then

— [164:50.540 --> 164:54.480] shut up when you go home in your little string. Then shut the fuck up

— [164:54.840 --> 164:56.380] because part of the war

— [164:57.780 --> 164:58.280] is

— [164:58.620 --> 165:00.040] it gotta stop at respect.

— [165:00.460 --> 165:00.960] Yeah.

— [165:01.280 --> 165:03.920] Like I respect you. You gotta respect your opponent.

— [165:05.020 --> 165:07.520] All that deep reverence and admiration

— [165:07.820 --> 165:42.260] and in awe of and looking like I'm not saying this is true, but well I could say it's true I looked up to him. I still look up to him. He kind of mentored me You could see that even with all acts experience now and his accolades and he's him now too. Axe is him. But you could still see the green. You know what I don't like though? The wet behind the ears when it come to you talking to somebody that you love and have a reverence for. And that's just way older. It's way older than you. It's been in different rooms as you, you know what I'm saying? Then stop making it seem like you want that smoke. No, look.

— [165:42.680 --> 165:52.520] Don't get in your room, cause that's where I was confused too. 1 minute he, when I talked to him, I love, I love, I love, and he get on the stream and it's me looking like he want that smoke. In order to want that smoke, you gotta lose the reverence.

— [165:53.080 --> 166:08.260] Performing, bro. Still a job. It ain't performing if now you get in front of the n***a and you didn't do exactly what you said you was gonna do. You didn't drive your points home. I'm not talking about beef with the n***a. I'm talking about be able to fully flush out the things that you want to say. I'm talking about the streams. The streams are work.

— [166:09.240 --> 166:10.240] This was work.

— [166:11.680 --> 166:13.320] This was work. A little different.

— [166:16.900 --> 166:19.580] Yes and no. It's both. And here's

— [166:19.900 --> 166:30.160] why, because I think it is work because if you come away looking not as strong as you could, it affects the other part of your work. It affects the day. Like he's building a fan base partly, or- Which is why you-

— [166:30.560 --> 166:32.400] It's work, it affects your work.

— [166:32.780 --> 166:38.900] You gotta, you gotta now, they had that interview and now for the next few days, Ak is on his stream explaining

— [166:39.540 --> 166:46.340] his side from the interview. No, that's work now. You've altered, you've altered work. Anything that's going out

— [166:47.280 --> 166:48.060] is work.

— [166:48.520 --> 166:49.020] Yeah.

— [166:49.400 --> 166:49.900] Okay.

— [166:50.280 --> 166:53.120] When on his channel, both their channels. Yeah. Okay.

— [166:53.660 --> 166:54.300] It's work.

— [166:54.960 --> 166:56.780] People are gonna have opinions

— [166:57.200 --> 167:13.400] on this debate style thing that y'all did. And he just didn't come out looking as strong as he probably would have looked if he was in his room But again, I even enjoyed that part of it I enjoyed the chess match of Hall of Fame radio guy versus

— [167:13.900 --> 167:20.720] guy who made his bones in his room like and now it's the clash of of routes and ideologies

— [167:21.160 --> 167:21.900] and psychology

— [167:22.360 --> 167:22.860] and

— [167:23.260 --> 167:23.760] and

— [167:24.820 --> 167:30.740] yeah the streaming shit is cool talking your computer is cool act is that please don't mistake what I'm saying he's that

— [167:31.580 --> 167:33.340] it's a different skill set

— [167:33.960 --> 167:35.280] and skill sets

— [167:35.820 --> 167:39.180] that that Charlamagne has. Yeah, because now you got to reply.

— [167:39.680 --> 168:11.780] In real time. When you when you're on a stream, you're talking, you don't have nobody interjecting, you don't have nobody scrambling your train of thought. Up here we can get into a conversation and I can have my thing planned out, but then you start screaming, you start yelling, and this from shit that you meant to say, you totally forget your whole point. Yeah, yeah. And it's only but so many ways that this is gonna go when I know that the person across from me looks up to me. Exactly. You look up to me, dog. When you look up to somebody and you go there, man, you're not gonna go with the same... It's true, yo. I don't pay no of your little jokes, no mind you be saying to me. You're

— [168:12.260 --> 168:14.700] not gonna be able to say that. I know, because you look up to me. That's what I'm saying.

— [168:16.080 --> 168:23.100] That's why I let you do it. I understand. You look like I'm who I am So like you just like you joke So you saying that when you go against somebody

— [168:23.420 --> 168:32.000] if you looked up to them you have to lose all the love for them in Order to win the battle. Yeah. No. Yeah, I don't think you have to I don't think so I don't think you have to

— [168:32.360 --> 168:32.860] I

— [168:33.420 --> 168:35.680] don't have nothing to do with it Yeah but ain't none of you n****s got war

— [168:36.160 --> 168:37.700] So I don't care what y'all saying

— [168:38.640 --> 168:42.300] Who did y'all go to war with Where you had to now adopt

— [168:42.700 --> 168:43.860] A different mentality

— [168:44.480 --> 169:13.340] On some Navy SEAL We going to war anytime I walk outside it could be something. Who of you? But you not trying to go- And I'm not talking about street shit. You're not trying to go- Yes it was. Hey hold on, hold on, stop. I was saying that before you said it, not street shit. Yeah, not street shit. Nigga, I ain't never talking street shit. I ain't no street shit. 1 time, nigga, 1 time, I looked up to Star. 1 time star pulled the trigger on me and got at me And was saying things he was willing to take it some way that I wasn't willing to take it I'm not willing to go there with you. Why me because I respect him. That's

— [169:15.620 --> 169:24.580] What I'm saying is that you can still get into a facility of somebody you respect and still Jose you can't win if you Take that approach dog. You gotta be ready to

— [169:25.140 --> 169:52.780] Do agree let me ask you didn't turn up on the net you looked up I don't agree you don't have I feel like I feel it. Do you feel you want? No, cuz I didn't go at that battle you confirm in this point, but listen what I'm saying. I'm saying that yes Okay, we confirming this point that you may not win. I'm saying that when you go into it, I'm speaking to the point of if you respect somebody, I don't think that depending on where you come from, you can just easily turn it off and I'm gonna start disrespecting you now. That's the point I'm trying to make.

— [169:53.800 --> 169:54.940] I understand act.

— [169:55.520 --> 170:16.140] I couldn't just start with saying, man, shit. I'm not gonna... I looked up to you too long to just all of a sudden now, you can say whatever you want because you probably don't have the same respect that I have for you for me. But I can't just turn it off and start disrespecting you because it goes against my whole ideology. And how I went home. Basically, even if you wanted to go there, you couldn't do it. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I'm talking about the wrong points and I apologize. Same thing with you.

— [170:16.660 --> 170:24.440] Nigga, if you get me mad and say, I can't find my, you have to say something. I can't find myself just going at you like that. I can't.

— [170:25.240 --> 170:37.560] It's just not how I'm wired. Maybe you would say, yo, Flip, hey, nigga, I put you on, nigga. Hey, Flip, I had to, If I had to push you there, but I couldn't go there with you. It's just too many things at play. But there's also no part of our relationship

— [170:38.040 --> 170:41.100] that today or to me could ever appear adversarial.

— [170:41.680 --> 170:44.840] Like when me and you were doing whatever we're doing, for me,

— [170:45.160 --> 170:46.820] it's content and theatrics.

— [170:47.300 --> 170:51.920] In real life, I'm not never doing none of that, except for that 1 time we almost did that. But outside of that,

— [170:52.420 --> 170:54.500] I'm not. That's not what we're doing.

— [170:56.840 --> 170:59.120] If it's time to turn it up

— [171:00.400 --> 171:03.820] Which is how act made it seen from his room. Mm-hmm

— [171:04.840 --> 171:09.500] Then I expect you to come in. I see what you're saying, okay. But through the whole thing,

— [171:10.180 --> 171:11.340] all we heard from Charlamagne

— [171:12.040 --> 171:35.640] was big bro shit. Hey yo, when you was fucked up over here, I'm the nigga that said such and such. Yo, I'm the nigga that called you and said, look out for this. I'm the nigga that called and yada yada. All week, when we hear that all the way through, it's hard to see it from whatever POV academics is talking about. You know what it sound like? And even that's part of the spin that you not gonna be prepared for because of your reverence. That's part of the spin.

— [171:36.760 --> 171:41.400] It almost sound like the whole line where you say, I could never beef with me, I freed it from a whole bit. It's

— [171:42.740 --> 171:43.720] like, exactly.

— [171:44.100 --> 171:48.600] I can't, it ain't gonna get there. Hey, I see y'all saying this beef, it's impossible

— [171:49.020 --> 171:51.680] for it to be, and that's how Charlemagne is carrying it,

— [171:52.060 --> 171:59.520] which enables him to, and I'm not saying this is true to anybody listening, but if he did have some underhand,

— [172:00.580 --> 172:01.080] undercut

— [172:01.420 --> 172:03.820] feelings or something toward Ak,

— [172:04.200 --> 172:06.260] is always able to hide behind

— [172:06.980 --> 172:20.780] your dog I was there for you I helped you I gave you this contact I told you this to it like it'll never be and that's why for act it's always Act was in that room against fuck professor X so act was in that room with somebody that was that was

— [172:21.320 --> 172:22.460] so in control

— [172:22.800 --> 172:23.860] in his head

— [172:24.400 --> 172:25.860] of all things and

— [172:26.640 --> 172:27.700] Now you stuttering

— [172:28.100 --> 172:33.920] and now you talking fast and can't get your That shit was a mess to me. That shit was an

— [172:34.540 --> 172:40.940] absolute mess to me. But I'm glad it happened, they look great. They look great, I f***ing sue the content, I'm glad it happened,

— [172:41.280 --> 172:44.660] f***ing kudos to both of you, they did it right. Salute to them.

— [172:45.100 --> 172:54.220] See, but then that's why I'm mad too now, too now. I should wait for Mark to come back because Charlamagne is his man. How many times he done peed? What piss number? What piss number is

— [172:54.540 --> 172:55.260] he? He

— [172:55.780 --> 173:10.640] said I'm counting your pisses. Have you turned it off for somebody you respect and have you had to turn it off? Like somebody that you looked up to. I mean, I hear you talk about Wendy Williams, how much you respect her. I don't know. I remember when she said funny things before. I don't know if you ever went at her. I'm just saying, like, was there anybody you said, you know what, we're talking about Angry

— [173:11.740 --> 173:12.240] Joe,

— [173:13.180 --> 173:17.740] not Mature Joe, that you said, all right, cool. No, no, that's never happened. Angry Joe, there

— [173:19.060 --> 173:21.740] was nobody there. Like, I was shooting it, oh, but only because

— [173:22.380 --> 173:34.080] he shot at me and we rapper So it's the sport of I can't let you just keep thinking you shooting me Yeah, and at no point in my mind did I say I'm trying to kill this nigga and fuck him and yada Yeah, I'm gonna wrap it shit. But in real battle

— [173:34.740 --> 173:40.000] anybody that I was at war time with, even with me and Charlamagne, went back and forth. I respect Charlamagne.

— [173:40.840 --> 173:43.660] I've always had respect for anybody. But past that,

— [173:45.040 --> 173:46.740] I never had a goal past that,

— [173:47.200 --> 173:47.700] really.

— [173:48.060 --> 173:51.060] I was never trying to do that with nobody.

— [173:52.800 --> 173:54.580] Internally, I'm on some peaceful

— [173:55.160 --> 174:02.580] shit. I'm cool, I try to control me and how I feel and how I react and how I think and all of that. Yoda type of.

— [174:03.520 --> 174:10.740] So I agree with most of what you're saying. I think that if academics would have come prepared, I think if academics would have had

— [174:11.220 --> 174:12.620] been able to execute

— [174:13.440 --> 174:18.660] his arguments and convey his thoughts better, he could have still had the same exact reverence,

— [174:19.020 --> 174:43.180] but still presented his thoughts and his ideas. Yeah, better. It's like, so I don't think you have to lose your respect and say, fuck you, nigga, I'm gonna just throw everything out the window to be able to get in that ring and spar and even win. You can caveat reverence, but your facts and your ducks and all of your shit out of here line up. Listen, what I'm saying don't apply to these 2 because neither 1 of them was gonna try to kill each other. I'm saying I drank the Kool-Aid in thinking that

— [174:43.780 --> 174:46.320] that's kind of what we was... Axe performance.

— [174:46.680 --> 174:52.200] Axe doing that. That's his superpower. That nigga loves Charlamagne. He loves you. He said it vocally

— [174:52.820 --> 174:53.920] a zillion times.

— [174:54.300 --> 174:56.020] He holds you guys up high.

— [174:57.000 --> 174:57.500] But

— [174:58.460 --> 175:16.600] he also feels like nigga, I'm here and I can stand on my 2. My thing with us as men, especially black men, why everybody can't be the man? Like why do we gotta dethrone the man to be the man myself? I could be the man in my respective area, you could be the man in your respective area, this person could be the man in their respective area. We be in this competitive

— [175:17.080 --> 175:17.580] that

— [175:18.280 --> 175:18.780] we...

— [175:19.600 --> 175:20.560] That's a farce.

— [175:21.480 --> 175:21.980] What?

— [175:22.460 --> 175:23.360] That shit is

— [175:24.000 --> 175:26.640] a dark matter universe separate from

— [175:27.040 --> 175:36.960] reality. There's answers to that question and I'm not. Which part is the farce? Why we can't, Why we can't, why we can't, why we can't, why we can't. There's answers to that. No, you didn't tell me which part is the farce.

— [175:37.340 --> 175:37.960] That part.

— [175:38.860 --> 175:47.380] You could be the man in this area, you could be the man in that 1, like that. Yeah, and I'm saying that part is true, but the whole ish not understand, why we can't is so easy to admit or not.

— [175:47.760 --> 175:48.260] Jealous,

— [175:48.820 --> 175:49.320] envious,

— [175:49.700 --> 175:50.780] want what you got.

— [175:51.420 --> 175:55.540] No matter how successful something ain't comfortable with you having success.

— [175:56.280 --> 175:56.780] Gatekeepers

— [175:57.500 --> 175:58.820] like it's mad answers.

— [176:00.080 --> 176:06.300] Ideally, I'm with you. I'm not. There's enough money and there's enough position to go around what seems to be the problem. But,

— [176:07.200 --> 176:20.400] having things that come into play. A lot of times when insecurities be loud and strong, and I think these don't really, to your point now, they don't really believe they the man. Like if you believe, yo, I'm the man in my own right,

— [176:20.740 --> 176:31.420] like I could look at Jay-Z and say, yo, that nigga's the man. And I could look at Pharrell standing next to him and say, yo, that nigga's the man. And they both can be the man. They don't gotta be

— [176:32.020 --> 176:52.880] trying to, Jermaine Dupree is the man. Like I could look at all of these black kings and say, yo, all of these niggas are the man. They don't have to be trying to dethrone each other. What happens to them? What Charlamagne sounded great at talking about just the whole separation of fan bases and media people picking a side. Like when he cornered him with that 1, like, hey, why you seem to be 1 of the proponents

— [176:53.200 --> 177:06.040] of that pushing narratives and turning people. Why do you do that? Why can't be, Hey, I enjoy the music. I enjoy him. I enjoy this person. He just, again, very logically laid out things that were pretty simple

— [177:06.760 --> 177:11.260] that, but all of those things that are really entertaining for me when act is by itself in his room

— [177:11.720 --> 177:15.260] When he's in his room, you'll paint every illusion

— [177:15.600 --> 177:16.100] possible

— [177:16.580 --> 177:27.100] But for me, please but is it an illusion Right now what I'm seeing is that- Yes, it's an illusion because Jay-Z ain't thinking about academics. Hold on, stop. I'm seeing more of the seasoned,

— [177:28.280 --> 177:28.780] seasoned

— [177:29.280 --> 177:29.780] podcasters,

— [177:30.320 --> 177:31.920] radio hosts, and creators,

— [177:32.240 --> 177:32.740] seasoned,

— [177:33.060 --> 177:35.680] not taking into account that there are some

— [177:36.260 --> 177:36.760] infrastructures

— [177:37.120 --> 177:39.600] at play when you say certain things online

— [177:40.280 --> 177:40.780] that

— [177:41.420 --> 178:04.260] flagging your video, not allowing you to make money. Yes, you shouldn't say it, but then it still goes against the theory of being a creator and saying what I want. That is happening. If you say something about somebody, I got flagged. If you say something about somebody, somebody's wrong. The powers that play, the powers that have the power, they're flagging you. They're taking your video, they're getting you demonetized, and that affects other videos. What's wrong with that? It happens. Because you're thinking that

— [178:05.080 --> 178:11.340] you're following a blueprint or you're thinking of like, yo, freedom of speech. I can say what I want, man. I'm not... That's a mistake.

— [178:11.760 --> 178:14.040] You got freedom of speech, you don't got freedom of content.

— [178:15.040 --> 178:17.300] I get it, but we're talking about that's content creators.

— [178:17.780 --> 178:24.220] If you're content, there's a bunch of content creators right now that are being flagged, and it's not a joke, they're showing it, they're being flagged.

— [178:24.540 --> 178:34.080] And just for like, yo, I'm just doing what you did in hip hop or I'm just doing what you did in the game. I'm just speaking my mind, why do I have to go through this? So then now, your month is effective,

— [178:34.640 --> 178:39.980] and they're not only flagging 1 video, they'll go back and flag the other, it's just when you did talk positive. So now,

— [178:40.440 --> 179:07.100] if you get back to back to back to back strikes, now it's a whole thing that comes with that. So of course, you're gonna feel offended and go on the attack. So it's happening. Let me ask you a question. So I'm not gonna act like it's not happening because I'm fully aware, I've seen it. I said something before, hey, all right, Flip, we're gonna teach you a lesson. Bob, so now what I decided to do is that I don't need to talk bad about anyone in order to get views. That's how I looked at it. Let me go do my own thing, but that's a lot of shit I wanna say. Okay, cool, go get your own platform,

— [179:08.300 --> 179:19.860] create your own platform, and you can say whatever the fuck you wanna say. But as long as you're on this platform, you have to follow rules. Follow, but You're not disrespecting YouTube rules. You're following rules of somebody that has the

— [179:20.440 --> 179:24.420] same access that you have. You just cool with somebody that...

— [179:25.220 --> 179:29.000] But Flip, that coolness and that rapport and that relationship

— [179:29.460 --> 179:34.100] matters. We just spoke about that with 38 special, but I got you could piss off somebody

— [179:34.440 --> 179:36.380] who is cool with somebody else

— [179:36.720 --> 179:37.460] and now

— [179:38.860 --> 179:39.360] Yes,

— [179:39.720 --> 179:43.440] I yield I got it relationships is the world's currency the real 1

— [179:44.540 --> 179:45.780] Okay, yours

— [179:46.380 --> 179:48.360] Nigger say certain show Joe button

— [179:48.840 --> 179:55.940] Like some egregious shit about Joe Button. Like I'm offensive. Like yo dog, I'm not gonna now support what you got going on.

— [179:56.600 --> 180:02.860] You could be right, you could be wrong, whatever the case may be, but my Relationships matter in this world and that's something that

— [180:03.580 --> 180:10.740] n****s gotta understand. Relationships matter. When you get canceled or whatever the f***, these big wigs pull your s***. Been there.

— [180:11.280 --> 180:11.780] Relationship.

— [180:12.200 --> 180:12.700] Yes.

— [180:13.320 --> 180:28.280] N****, Donald Trump. Look, watch this. We all despise Donald Trump in some way, shape or form. Except for 1 person. Except that 1 person. Right? My nigga, we are negating the fact that Donald Trump has been outside playing with the sharks for 50 fucking years. In New York City, he got 50 years of relationships

— [180:28.860 --> 180:31.740] so he can call somebody and make some shit happen.

— [180:32.780 --> 180:37.100] Whether he's right, whether he's wrong, whatever the fucking case may be, my nigga, I'm your kid's godfather.

— [180:37.420 --> 180:44.840] You might not know that when you saying this shit about this person, but that nigga got a relationship with somebody and it's a consequence to some shit that you might say.

— [180:45.320 --> 180:52.400] Yeah, it's just absolutely right. Prime example, if Parks is butt naked on top of the entire state building. Seriously, with a megaphone on him. And he's

— [180:52.960 --> 180:53.460] trying.

— [180:54.380 --> 180:55.540] He's always playing around.

— [180:56.040 --> 181:02.460] But no, issue is right. I was joking around just now. But issue is right. Act talk about Roc nation the way I think about Trump.

— [181:03.260 --> 181:04.800] Like if I say the wrong thing,

— [181:07.940 --> 181:19.020] you can make it tough. You can make it really, really tough wherever you are. We are aware that if you talk about the president in a certain way, when they talked about Barack, Did Barack send somebody to a store 1 time?

— [181:19.440 --> 181:27.180] You know what I'm talking about, Mark. The guy had a sign outside about Barack Obama. Oh, I don't know that story, but I get your point. But I would say

— [181:27.480 --> 181:57.620] in this world, in this country, a lot of the most powerful people are the ones who aren't elected. It's the people who got the money. A lot of money, got it. Yeah, and all the stuff. Every time you do that, I think you're doing something else. Oh, shit. It's looking wild. I'm like, no, Joe. He catch me off guard. This is not a safe work environment. He can catch me off guard with that shit. I don't want to kind of get fished in. He's like, yo, Mark. It's only the Mark, because I'm listening. I like to learn from what mark is saying be listening to him and only during the mark talk like this and when he fix it It's still do like this

— [182:01.100 --> 182:11.260] Talk like a smoker Then Charlamagne in the middle of what the consensus is, is a dub, a W. Hang on, he's getting so much of a W, now he won't come talk to me.

— [182:13.520 --> 182:22.400] Who will talk to you? He said he was going to talk to Joe next. But he was in the middle was such a kick-ass session that it dawned on him like a light bulb

— [182:27.960 --> 182:31.740] Sweet out here. I'm going to talk Not the rounds Joe

— [182:32.660 --> 182:34.080] Nah a dog

— [182:34.620 --> 182:36.820] Would you talk a dog dog?

— [182:38.000 --> 182:38.500] Yo

— [182:39.360 --> 182:42.620] Talk about look at how to tumble dry

— [182:43.240 --> 182:48.780] I Just don't know what the content piece would be I'm open to it. I just don't understand what the content side of it is.

— [182:52.760 --> 182:54.580] What's the content part of it? I don't know.

— [182:55.440 --> 182:56.780] A conversation with y'all.

— [182:57.280 --> 183:01.420] That's it. Professor Exe and McNeado sit down and have a conversation. I'm not doing that.

— [183:02.280 --> 183:07.620] Charlamagne and Axe shit is like real present and current. They was talking about all current things

— [183:09.860 --> 183:14.340] Drake and Hendrick and George and the Clippers and like it was so

— [183:14.760 --> 183:15.260] multifaceted

— [183:15.640 --> 183:16.400] with current

— [183:17.080 --> 183:22.400] I feel like me and Charlamagne don't have none of that. It's like old school shit. Yeah, that's

— [183:23.140 --> 183:24.120] what it would be.

— [183:24.440 --> 183:26.540] You started a Twitter community. And who's richer?

— [183:27.560 --> 183:30.940] You started your own community. He got the Black Effect Network.

— [183:31.360 --> 183:39.060] That's what it's called, right? I'm saying that. Yeah, I see it. Give me how we could come together to do positive and do good for the communities. And I don't think that's content.

— [183:39.520 --> 183:43.420] What's fun there? What's fun there? Enjoying the shit. No, shit.

— [183:44.240 --> 183:47.520] No. I would do it, you know what? No positivity. I would do it just for

— [183:47.900 --> 183:50.640] some old time's sake. Some negativity work.

— [183:51.600 --> 183:52.100] No,

— [183:52.420 --> 183:58.820] no, no, no. I think you need to push a button to get into your bag though. You always got like 6 in the chamber. I'm so at peace.

— [183:59.180 --> 184:08.240] I don't see it that way. I think he is too. And I don't, that's my point. What the fuck are we talking about? Come hang out, man. Oh, you can hang. Come here, come here.

— [184:08.720 --> 184:17.000] That's fire. You're overthinking it. South Carolina days. That'd be great. You're overthinking it. Look at Mark. That'd be great. You ain't set it up.

— [184:17.560 --> 184:20.000] You want to set up? I'll set it up. You'll be the moderator?

— [184:22.200 --> 184:26.360] I just bring the guests. Charlamagne, you did good in that ACK talk, dog.

— [184:27.080 --> 184:29.840] Don't say my name and no talk where you kicking ass.

— [184:31.360 --> 184:32.860] That's what I got for you.

— [184:33.260 --> 184:36.320] Ak, I love you, you my brother, you did good too.

— [184:36.760 --> 184:46.020] But you just did better when you went back to your room and was able to further explain some of your points. Cuz remember, and at no point in this did I say Ak was wrong about anything.

— [184:47.020 --> 184:51.400] I'm not here to say who was right or wrong. That's what I was here. I'm only here to say

— [184:51.740 --> 184:52.800] came off better

— [184:53.400 --> 184:56.140] and who articulated better in that

— [184:56.880 --> 185:00.300] moment. At could be 100% right about people outside the door.

— [185:01.400 --> 185:01.900] Possibly.

— [185:02.780 --> 185:03.620] But that manic

— [185:04.080 --> 185:09.440] shit. It sounds a little manic though. It does sound, it does sound that way. That's why he should have been better prepared for that.

— [185:09.880 --> 185:18.820] Anyway, love them both. Yeah, it was great. It was a great concert. Glad they had it. How do y'all feel about Bam punching Tyler, Tyler Hero in the face.

— [185:19.440 --> 185:21.600] Is that what we know happened? Oh, that's a fact.

— [185:21.960 --> 185:26.900] That happened. That's a fact. That happened. How do y'all feel about it? And this is right after

— [185:28.360 --> 185:30.420] Tyler went viral for

— [185:30.820 --> 185:41.020] saying, yo, do y'all think that he should be the max players mid-range he was talking about BAM he put up some on Instagram about players that are not effective from the mid-range

— [185:41.480 --> 185:56.400] and then that fan leaked his interaction with Tyler Hero when they were talking about BAM so I mean you know that BAM is gonna see this at some point. You got to be careful. Yeah, I mean, I didn't like it. You got to be careful. I understand how it happened. That's why I never DM fans.

— [185:57.340 --> 185:58.140] You DM fans,

— [185:58.620 --> 186:03.920] some of them could be saying something that you wanna passionately respond to and then you say something. That's a fan.

— [186:04.340 --> 186:30.420] That fan is screenshot and that fan is putting it out. That fan is telling somebody. Even if they don't play out. You're telling somebody, they're selling it, they're calling TMZ. When you in fan world, you in fan world, not your world. So yeah, that was, I don't know why Tyler hero got to talking like that about BAM who don't have no problem telling people Yeah, I'm gonna smack the shit out of you when I see it Yeah, like I've seen him say that to about 4 different NBA players. Yeah. Oh shit. He's willing to follow through I mean, I didn't like it. I mean, I'm

— [186:30.740 --> 186:57.580] there was an interview where which which which part you didn't like Tyler talking or Being like every part of Everything you just said I agree with. The DM and the talking about his teammates back is fucked up. I remember watching the Bam interview or reading the transcript of a Bam interview where they said like, what player do you think on the team has your back the most? And he said Tyler. Oh shit. You know what I mean? He said, partly because we've been there the longest together. So I think I could imagine that Bam's feelings were hurt. I mean, at the core, a lot of this violent, hyper-masculine shit, our feelings would be hurt.

— [186:58.000 --> 186:58.720] And so

— [186:59.220 --> 186:59.940] I get

— [187:00.300 --> 187:30.860] why he'd be mad at Tyler and I get why he did what he did. I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying I understand how you get there. I just wish it, I just wish it didn't go there. Just because, you know, and I think cooler heads should prevail and I think you could communicate that to him that in how we get down. I think if he were 35 years old or 45 years old, he might respond differently. As we get mature, we make better choices. So I'm not demonizing him for it. I hate that it had to happen, but I totally get the hurt that he felt. He felt betrayed. There's a video of him punching him? No, no. There's a video of him at the hotel gym or something. It happened at Vegas. Not yet.

— [187:32.980 --> 187:36.660] Not yet. If it was in fact at a hotel gym, there's probably footage somewhere.

— [187:37.060 --> 187:45.900] The pal was at be it probably on the phone. People pulled up the phone. Trying to suppress it. No, I'm talking about the security footage. No, ain't no phone. We passed phone. There's cameras recording.

— [187:46.260 --> 187:48.940] They got it. They in Vegas, Summer League.

— [187:50.220 --> 188:02.240] These cameras is going, the NBA cameras is going, somebody got it. So we'll see what happens. What's the consequences for him doing that? I don't know if there will be any. Why would it be consequences? Off the court? Off season?

— [188:02.620 --> 188:04.900] It's an interesting question. I don't know. Summer league.

— [188:05.700 --> 188:21.520] Still in the NBA though, no? I don't know if you can punch at the- Is Tyler here repressing charges? There's leagues that are on the same team, so the team can't do anything. He's not gonna sue, no, he's not gonna call the police. There might be some league conduct shit if it gets out and they both acknowledge it. 1000 percent. It could be, but I doubt is anything.

— [188:22.020 --> 188:26.260] I think about when Shaq punched Greg Ostertag in the eye. He smacked. We smacked him,

— [188:26.840 --> 188:38.060] I'm sorry. Or when Charles Oakley did that to Tyrone Hill. I mean, there were no consequences. You know what I mean? The league kind of be like, I'm talking about in terms of fines and stuff or suspensions The league don't really care. At what point do you think violence is the answer mark? Oh

— [188:39.680 --> 188:40.180] Wow

— [188:41.640 --> 188:43.500] When he has his cup in his hand,

— [188:43.860 --> 188:46.380] yeah, or somebody just keep rapping going too far

— [188:48.080 --> 188:49.400] I Think the

— [188:49.980 --> 188:53.060] cuz ain't we with play stupid games win stupid prizes

— [188:53.420 --> 188:58.660] Yes and no and you should get the shmacked out of you when you say something stupid, it'll help you learn.

— [188:59.020 --> 189:01.220] You just hit the nail on the head, right?

— [189:01.720 --> 189:19.380] Should is the key word in that sentence you just gave. Like when somebody talks stupid to somebody and then gets punched in the face, I have no sympathy for them. I'm like, that's how it should happen. But that's not my advice on how to handle it. You get what I'm saying? And that's the difference. You know what I mean? Cooler heads, we all get in arguments, we all overreact, we all do things we wish

— [189:19.700 --> 189:27.620] we hadn't. But in the moment, I'd like to use my best judgment. My best judgment is if you're not a physical threat to me, I shouldn't be responding with violence.

— [189:28.080 --> 189:29.020] But I understand,

— [189:30.060 --> 189:44.840] I get it 1000 percent. And so when people play those stupid games and win those stupid prizes, I'm like, yeah, this is the fuck you deserve. I just don't believe that it should be our jobs to impose that karma on people. Oh, see, I do. I agree with that. Really, because you're always the 1 telling me, like, you never let words, you know what I'm saying?

— [189:45.900 --> 190:00.480] I never what? You never let words. You never let words affect you. Like, you're always saying to me, like, y'all act too much to violent. Oh yeah, because I don't live like that. But I totally understand it. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Totally. That's what he said That's what I'm saying. No, he said he wished it being would handle the different. I don't wish that

— [190:01.180 --> 190:04.740] see, but but you wouldn't have handled in the same way Bam did no

— [190:05.700 --> 190:06.540] Okay, so

— [190:07.340 --> 190:14.240] We're kind of saying the same thing. I'm saying what you would what you glad he did it that way. I'm not angry at me

— [190:17.800 --> 190:19.840] Okay, I don't wish that I

— [190:20.500 --> 190:23.380] Did it differently you said not me That's why I'm thinking we was

— [190:25.440 --> 190:30.560] Differently you had a hard 1. I have handled it differently. Yes. I got it. Everybody ain't me

— [190:32.400 --> 190:35.100] Tyler was going crazy on an Instagram DM

— [190:35.680 --> 190:38.240] Yeah, and then to come back with the graphic

— [190:38.640 --> 190:41.060] of an it you was just on a team with

— [190:41.440 --> 190:48.060] Ridin with and I'm from what I'm from what I'm hearing. It ain't just BAM on the heat. That's pissed off with Tyler hero

— [190:48.920 --> 190:49.420] Yeah

— [190:50.040 --> 190:50.940] Like it's a

— [190:51.540 --> 191:00.560] few It's a few stories running around 1 that says is multiple Heat players angry at Tyler Hero? Is 1 that says multiple Heat players are angry at Bam? Well, they mad at Bam's contract.

— [191:01.500 --> 191:04.320] Yeah, but that story leaking during summer league is even funny.

— [191:05.020 --> 191:06.420] Like he's the face of the heat.

— [191:06.960 --> 191:29.440] Yeah. I mean, Greek Freak is there now, but he is the Udonis hat. The Heat picked a guy and they love on him and treat him properly. I can see players having a feeling about that, but that story leaking to the public is funny when funny leaks start happening this funny pipes Tyler hero showed himself to be a funny pipe. Yes against a who doesn't have his temper all the way

— [191:31.600 --> 191:41.440] Surprise that he asked for it. It came your way. Yo dog there's people that have punched me in the face, so you better understand that once I got home and thought about it, I perfectly understood why they did that.

— [191:42.260 --> 191:45.760] I'll tell you at 1 time, I thought I should have got punched in the face. And If you didn't

— [191:46.080 --> 192:02.580] do that, it might have took me a long time to learn whatever lesson I learned in that moment. I'm with people learning a lesson from shit happening to them, especially when they do something stupid as Tyler did. No, I agree with all of that. To a fan? I say niggas ain't get punched in the face enough growing up so they didn't learn. Consequence.

— [192:02.900 --> 192:04.960] Yeah, but I- You talking to a fan

— [192:05.340 --> 192:07.960] about me like that? That is wild,

— [192:08.620 --> 192:10.840] yo. Yes! That is wild.

— [192:11.880 --> 192:18.980] And now I happen to walk in a summer league gym cause we all here, I don't think he was looking for him. I don't think he talked to him.

— [192:19.500 --> 192:25.960] I think he just, sometimes God do what he's supposed to do. Put it right there for you. Holy shit, that nigga is right there.

— [192:26.740 --> 192:29.980] And he went over there and hit him and boogied.

— [192:30.900 --> 192:34.580] Not boogied as in ran, like went on about his day.

— [192:35.800 --> 192:40.000] I think punching somebody in the face for Bam is like me making coffee.

— [192:40.940 --> 192:47.060] He always does. I'm going to go make 7 cups of coffee. I do that shit with ease. I do it with my eyes closed. Hands tied by my back.

— [192:47.540 --> 192:49.080] I think that's what it's like for him.

— [192:49.600 --> 192:50.740] What y'all think about,

— [192:51.280 --> 192:53.520] cause you mentioned Udonis Haslam, him and Draymond. Yes,

— [192:53.890 --> 192:54.390] another

— [192:54.760 --> 192:55.260] 1.

— [192:56.280 --> 192:57.180] You got the clip?

— [192:57.560 --> 192:58.720] I ain't playing no clips.

— [192:59.160 --> 193:00.780] Well, cause they asked,

— [193:01.240 --> 193:04.400] alright, so Draymond spoke out on the whole situation.

— [193:04.780 --> 193:06.440] He basically summarized it.

— [193:07.380 --> 193:08.980] When Dreymon punched

— [193:10.240 --> 193:22.520] Jordan Poole in the face, Udine has had a lot to say about it. I would never hit a young guy on my team, it's not heat culture, et cetera, et cetera. So then Draymond came out and was like, I wonder how you feel, because these is 2 dudes that came up basically

— [193:23.260 --> 193:23.980] under you,

— [193:24.800 --> 193:25.300] doing

— [193:25.680 --> 193:27.540] something that you said you wouldn't do.

— [193:28.440 --> 193:34.020] And you guys had a lot to say. He had a lot to say. He had a lot to say. He had a lot to say. I found it quite amusing

— [193:34.400 --> 194:12.440] that they got into it. I kept hearing his voice, let me just find the clips. 1 thing that I really started to wonder about was, I remember when I got into it with Jokul. I saw you dying as Hazm get into it with guys on teams that was younger than him before, a la Jimmy Butler. Then he came out and he like, that's ridiculous. You get into it with your young guy, I can't believe you did that. And it really bothered me because I was like, damn man, like, when I have respect for certain guys, it does matter. This is 2 young guys you don't as a race. And yeah, they not on the same team no more, but if you raise this young guy in the light of what you were saying about me, and now he punches this other young guy that y'all kinda co-raise,

— [194:12.900 --> 194:31.480] are you gonna have that same energy? And the reality is, I don't really want him to have the same energy, because I love Bam, that's my brother. Tyler Hero, who's from Milwaukee like Jordan Poo, who has a lot of bravado as a young guy like Jordan Poo, who probably says some very disrespectful things like Jordan Poo, and I just wonder like, man, he gonna have that same energy.

— [194:33.400 --> 194:36.260] I understand where Draymond is coming from, shout to Draymond.

— [194:36.590 --> 194:37.090] I

— [194:37.420 --> 194:42.440] just don't think it's the same at all. I don't understand where he's coming from. Why are you even mentioning my name in this? What's the point?

— [194:43.780 --> 194:45.560] I don't even see, there was no need. You

— [194:46.960 --> 194:51.520] immediately this happened, you ran right to, yo, if Udonis has him, I'm gonna have this energy.

— [194:52.380 --> 195:03.360] He ain't even say nothing yet. Even if he did respond, let him address it or something. You ran and just threw his name in the mix for no reason, Udonis is minding his business. This situation has nothing to do with him. Nah, I don't get that

— [195:03.881 --> 195:04.381] at

— [195:04.900 --> 195:08.280] all. I saw a tweet. You don't have to say similar to that. Oh no, yeah, he had a lot to

— [195:09.540 --> 195:20.120] say. I'll let Joe read it. No, I don't have that. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Don't you. Nah, nah, nah. You put a lot of pressure on me. Nah, cause you're actually. He set you up, and then when you, then you go recap and then it's gone. I've learned, I've learned. Wait, read what?

— [195:20.540 --> 195:22.100] You got to have some response.

— [195:22.420 --> 195:31.020] Oh no, I was looking for the actual video of it, not to read something. No, he tweeted it. But they're not on the same, but he also has a video. But they're not on the same team. Who not on the same

— [195:31.980 --> 195:34.960] team? Who not on the same team? Tyler Hero and BAM out of bio.

— [195:35.860 --> 195:37.260] And his point was,

— [195:37.920 --> 195:40.960] his point was, yo, these are people that came up under

— [195:41.600 --> 195:44.180] you. So you should have a more personal

— [195:44.760 --> 195:47.360] stance on it because they came up under you.

— [195:48.420 --> 195:59.880] The same way you was vocal about when I did what I did with my teammate, I want to see you be as vocal and have the same exact energy as you do with these guys. But I don't care that they both came up under me. They're not on the same team.

— [196:00.280 --> 196:06.300] You shouldn't punch your teammate. You should find a way to work through your differences because you are teammates.

— [196:07.060 --> 196:17.040] And there's also an age gap. Tyler, Hero's on the fucks now. We traded you, that's why you poppin' fly shit. So yes, now you can smack the shit out of the nigga that was on the team. And you guys made another point, which is

— [196:17.900 --> 196:37.160] you smacked your rookie in the face, or your young boy in the face. You punched your young boy in the face with full power. He was 32 and drug was 23. Yeah, you a grown ass man, this is a young guy, and you punched him with full power. He said, you punched him like it was a nigga in a club. You punched him like that was your enemy. He said Tyler, Hero, and Bam, he said clearly Bam didn't do that to Tyler, because you would know if he did, number 1. And number 2, they much closer in age, and

— [196:37.560 --> 196:38.240] he didn't

— [196:39.160 --> 196:45.180] condone what he did, but he said when he gets older, he'll make better choices. You know what I mean? He was saying like, they both in their 20s, they both young.

— [196:45.520 --> 197:00.300] It's a difference, It's not apples to apples is what you done is it makes sense And then he said a whole bunch of other shit. It was that was a nice version. That was it right I'm trying to you gave the nice version. Yeah, but cuz he also said I'll let him out fuck you Oh, yeah, and he didn't say it was on site, but he said you had a passes

— [197:00.840 --> 197:07.200] And I'm not again. I don't know so I saw a tweet with somebody who was saying that, we're talking about St. Basketball, but it was like, yo,

— [197:07.560 --> 197:11.540] John Moran got traded and nobody talking about it, there's no press on it.

— [197:11.940 --> 197:13.140] I think it might be,

— [197:14.160 --> 197:16.420] it's over. I feel like, man, you know,

— [197:17.080 --> 197:18.660] I always think of 2nd chances.

— [197:19.480 --> 197:20.440] You know me, freeze.

— [197:20.860 --> 197:26.400] Absolutely, I'm just saying, he's had 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances to the point where the league, not us,

— [197:26.980 --> 197:29.120] the league is not a talking point anymore

— [197:29.540 --> 197:36.980] for the league. So they're not gonna make a big deal out of it, which means the writers are not gonna make a big deal out of it Which means it's it's just news at this point,

— [197:37.380 --> 197:39.940] but that's him. I got you. Yeah

— [197:41.960 --> 197:44.860] What else we got I think we did I think we did yeah

— [197:46.640 --> 197:48.820] For the show you still got the front of the show joints.

— [197:49.440 --> 197:51.780] You still got the front of the show joints. Yeah 1

— [197:52.660 --> 197:53.160] Nigga,

— [197:53.560 --> 197:57.180] aren't they Friends of the Show? Are you talking about part of the show? Same shit.

— [197:57.740 --> 198:00.960] Yeah, what about it? Pull it up. Damn, Flip.

— [198:01.300 --> 198:17.360] Nigga. Are we on time? My phone... Nigga, we get paid by the pot, not by the topic. They just said that there's some rumors about you falling back during contract time. You know, I saw something like that. Who falls back during contract time? I turn up. I only got 8 weeks left. I'm trying to put my best foot forward.

— [198:17.960 --> 198:22.080] To the audience members, they care about what Dr. Mark Lamar Hill is saying. That is fabrication.

— [198:22.720 --> 198:33.040] It's not fabrication. Was it 10 weeks? Don't get scared. They'll start this. They'll start this shit. Don't do that, nigga. They'll be down. They'll be down. I love your tactics, bro. It's not over, man. Think pieces. YouTube.

— [198:33.620 --> 198:43.380] It's not over. We need Mark. What's y'all going to do if Mark walks out the door? Hey, Mark, we got Mark on 2029, dog. He gonna try to get Umar on.

— [198:43.720 --> 198:44.840] Yeah, Mark is

— [198:45.640 --> 198:49.900] all the way locked in we couldn't see any more I die man 20 31

— [198:53.260 --> 198:53.760] Hey

— [198:55.520 --> 198:59.320] I need you to be here. You know when this time meet me. I'm gonna use you against him

— [199:00.980 --> 199:01.920] No, I don't

— [199:02.360 --> 199:03.380] play lost ones

— [199:05.400 --> 199:06.840] Yo, we'll jump you You know what, play lost ones. What? Yo, we'll jump you a bushel.

— [199:07.380 --> 199:10.240] You cut that off. You can't play the intro for that drug dealer.

— [199:11.300 --> 199:13.560] All right, enough of him. I don't care if he's

— [199:14.340 --> 199:16.560] fucking off or I'm out. Like, he about to do something.

— [199:17.800 --> 199:19.260] Do, do, do, do, do, do.

— [199:19.720 --> 199:22.440] There we go, man. There we go. Yeah, come on.

— [199:22.920 --> 199:24.400] There we go, man.

— [199:24.920 --> 199:27.220] Yo, hopefully y'all have enjoyed this broadcast

— [199:28.380 --> 199:39.140] as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you man. Again anybody that went to Yankee Stadium this past weekend get a nap a time was had man a time was had a lot of fun

— [199:39.860 --> 199:42.020] shout out to everybody that graced the stage

— [199:42.620 --> 199:46.320] everybody that made their way to New York City all of the fans

— [199:46.880 --> 199:52.100] all of the 5 boroughs everybody with a Yankee had a lot of Nick's merchandise in the building,

— [199:52.860 --> 199:56.720] all of the beautiful women that were there, all of the staff personnel,

— [199:57.980 --> 199:58.480] NYPD,

— [199:59.340 --> 200:07.340] the fire department, everybody all hands on deck to make sure we had a good time again This is 1 of the most New York it is summers

— [200:08.000 --> 200:11.400] that I've ever experienced. I'm having an absolute blast

— [200:11.880 --> 200:15.220] Keep us in your prayers Lord knows we need to be there until the next time

— [200:16.100 --> 200:23.780] We bid you a do farewell audio. So Reva dirty hasta la vista our voice so long. Goodbye or simple head now will suffice

— [200:25.000 --> 200:28.040] Remember life is a series of moments and moments past,

— [200:28.520 --> 200:34.020] so let's make this 1 last as if it's all we have, and last but certainly not least.

— [200:35.460 --> 200:44.740] Hold up man, let me help. Oh no, he killed this, hold up. Remember life is a series of moments and moments passed so let's make this 1 last as if it's all we

— [200:45.180 --> 200:47.360] have last but certainly not least

— [200:48.220 --> 201:00.640] the baddies are insecure the stagnant women want to travel when the close-minded women want you to teach them things grab you a title no you might need it if you are 40 enough 50 enough 60 enough 70 enough

— [201:01.080 --> 201:05.960] And you was at that old show man go ahead get your neo spore and lay down for a little bit Yeah,

— [201:06.400 --> 201:10.120] that green I know I judge you yet agree to good 1 the good 1. 0,

— [201:10.480 --> 201:11.960] yeah, you saw that PTO

— [201:13.360 --> 201:14.400] Go ahead and rest

— [201:15.520 --> 201:17.820] What y'all on this week which I'm on this week anything

— [201:18.260 --> 201:19.420] no working rest

— [201:19.760 --> 201:20.500] after that

— [201:23.800 --> 201:24.300] Sleeping

— [201:24.800 --> 201:25.300] facts

— [201:26.380 --> 201:31.320] Well, there you have it you better chill out man. I'm tired fuck nigga. They go home put that work in boy

— [201:32.140 --> 201:37.360] My way was trying to give put that work in after the concert. Yeah, right. After the show? Hey, that nigga.

— [201:38.620 --> 201:39.500] Wait, after the show?

— [201:40.520 --> 201:48.560] I was like, I'll see you Tuesday, Wednesday. You think I'm joking? No, I believe you. Nigga, wait for me. No, I'm not just saying, I'm just saying, yeah. I think you're lying.

— [201:49.020 --> 201:59.120] Nah. That's the thing about bringing your joint to the show, your wife to the show. They get to lick in the system. They start feeling good, like thinking when it's time to get home, it's time to go to bed.

— [201:59.520 --> 202:05.780] No, it ain't. It's not no time to go to bed. And don't fuck with me tomorrow either. Yeah, we gonna be fine in the morning. You and Shadé was sleep together. How about Shadé?

— [202:06.380 --> 202:17.760] I'm like, man, I'm like, they so in tune. Look at them. Yeah, no, me and my baby in our bed. We gonna bed. Shout out to my man. Wait. Yeah, step aside to my man, yo. He just got it. Work. He cool as shit. He cool as fuck, yo. I'm trying to...

— [202:18.420 --> 202:25.760] You gotta protect the investment, Joe. I ain't got nothing going on this week, man. I'm down with that, Free. I'm chilling. Just work, vibes,

— [202:26.100 --> 202:33.660] keeping it light, keeping it low. I don't want no trouble, man. I'm type, ill, but rappers, you might feel me, homie.

— [202:34.660 --> 202:36.060] Y'all are down out there.

— [202:45.040 --> 202:45.540] No

— [202:51.040 --> 202:51.680] Joe Biden!

— [202:52.960 --> 202:53.460] Enough

— [202:54.740 --> 202:58.060] of that! You've never heard of Joe Biden? JVP,

— [202:58.740 --> 202:59.240] JVP,

— [202:59.840 --> 203:00.580] why would

— [203:16.620 --> 203:17.120] You

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